fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Leon Crouch had a proven championship English manager lined up He had a meeting with Lowe, Wilde on Friday and told them that Poortvleit, Wotte and Gorre had too go ! I also believe that he wanted Lowe and Wilde to step down so as the club could be united !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Leon Crouch had a proven championship English manager lined up He had a meeting with Lowe, Wilde on Friday and told them that Poortvleit, Wotte and Gorre had too go ! I also believe that he wanted Lowe and Wilde to step down so as the club could be united !! Problem is irrespective of LOwe and Wilde out teh picture, Crouch does not hold all the answers and he certainly does not unite everyone - nor did he last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Problem is irrespective of LOwe and Wilde out teh picture' date=' Crouch does not hold all the answers and he certainly does not unite everyone - nor did he last time.[/quote'] Crouch has more chance of united this club Frank, as it stands at the moment he is only one who can do this. Lowe has gone on holiday what a joke !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 (edited) Leon Crouch had a proven championship English manager lined up He had a meeting with Lowe, Wilde on Friday and told them that Poortvleit, Wotte and Gorre had too go ! I also believe that he wanted Lowe and Wilde to step down so as the club could be united !! Who was that manager and how was he lined up when Crouch is not in charge. Also what was Crouch offering for Lowe and Wilde to step down? Edited 26 January, 2009 by saintwarwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Dowie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 2 + 2 = 11 Ah ha so that's where the Kettering Town Manager being lined up story came from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Problem is irrespective of LOwe and Wilde out teh picture' date=' Crouch does not hold all the answers and he certainly does not unite everyone - nor did he last time.[/quote'] I agree, however LC will in the short term unite a larger proportion of the fans, combined with bringing in a more English relegetion fighting manager, there would be hope. We have all seen how well the lads CAN play at times, with some appropriate work, they with a few old heads and decent tactical awareness and fitness, can see us out of the relegation mess. As regards the financial mess thats a different tale to which I have no expertise, although I have my opinions as I do for On Field problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I agree, however LC will in the short term unite a larger proportion of the fans, combined with bringing in a more English relegetion fighting manager, there would be hope. We have all seen how well the lads CAN play at times, with some appropriate work, they with a few old heads and decent tactical awareness and fitness, can see us out of the relegation mess. As regards the financial mess thats a different tale to which I have no expertise, although I have my opinions as I do for On Field problems. Shots on target and particular ones that end up in the back of the net is what really unites clubs,teams and fanbases. To be honest, it wouldn't matter if Lowe held a press meeting and in his palm was a baby button mushroom which he had just installed as manager. If it went on a 5 match unbeaten run then people would be happy. I also could not see Crouch getting the feel good factor at the club by coming back and it certainly wouldn't unite everyone. It might among those with alzheimers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Problem is irrespective of LOwe and Wilde out teh picture' date=' Crouch does not hold all the answers and he certainly does not unite everyone - nor did he last time.[/quote'] He had everyone united at the end of last season. (not for the first time) you are talking bolllocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 He had everyone united at the end of last season. (not for the first time) you are talking bolllocks. I second that , Crouch and his ideas for saving us is very much prefered to what we have at present IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I think Crouch is the ONLY choice of the 'knowns' to take over. Lowe and Wilde have to step down in order to unite this club. We need a proven - hungry - CCC manager right now to stand a chance of getting out of this mess. So, all in all, Crouch is 100% right. However, whilst is passion and commitment is not in doubt he would need to employ a CEO-type to run the club on a day to day basis. If the latter could be achieved - I'm ALL for Crouch's return (until a buyer can be found to take us up a level). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I second that , Crouch and his ideas for saving us is very much prefered to what we have at present IMO With a clear two votes it is fast becoming the fans favourite choice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I like Crouch, wish he were back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 With a clear two votes it is fast becoming the fans favourite choice!! To be honest, I'm getting behind the baby button mushroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Can someone tell me how he has the permission to line a manager up? As for uniting the fanbase I agree 100% that NP did unite the fanbase.I will add though IF we were noe in the same position the unrest would be the same. It all depends on if there is a belief the outcome would be different.I myself think he would have done better than Jan but it is all conjecture. The fact is the unrest has only come to the surface in the last couple of games when fans patience has been tested most, whenb the spectre of relegation has become most evident. Fans were predicting AL and AS etc would be sold by now, that has not happened (although there is time) had our home form been slightly better with 2 extra wins the protests would not be ongoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Leon Crouch had a proven championship English manager lined up He had a meeting with Lowe, Wilde on Friday and told them that Poortvleit, Wotte and Gorre had too go ! I also believe that he wanted Lowe and Wilde to step down so as the club could be united !! I do like the quote Proven manager Burley and Redknapp were proven managers apparently but did not help us in the end Pearson was not proven in the Championship but did not get us relegated and is well liked here by loads of fans Finding a good Manager and keeping them is difficult as other clubs have shown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 He had everyone united at the end of last season. (not for the first time) you are talking bolllocks. Alps in insult shocker! FFS grow up - why is everything with you seen as a points scoring exercise? Smacks of insecurities and 'issues'. You have failed to grasp a simple concept - at the end of last season we were pretty much united behind the TEAM to avoid relegation, that did not mean we were all happy with what Crouch was doing. Crouch may well be better in some folks eyes that what we have right now, but that does not make him suddenly the best possible option long term. that is a point of view held by many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 With a clear two votes it is fast becoming the fans favourite choice!! That is because he appears to court publicity and is pally with the fans. If that is the criteria for a good chairman let him return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I long for the day that the names Lowe,Wilde and Crouch are never uttered in the same sentance as Southampton Football Club. If Crouch can be the vehicle for either stability or investment then so be it,he can return in the short term, only. As long as any of these 3 have any affiliation with the club trouble,disharmony,infighting, crass decision making and the further decline,if possible be it through administration,is just around the corner. Clean sweep in the long term please. All IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Can someone tell me how he has the permission to line a manager up? As for uniting the fanbase I agree 100% that NP did unite the fanbase.I will add though IF we were noe in the same position the unrest would be the same. It all depends on if there is a belief the outcome would be different.I myself think he would have done better than Jan but it is all conjecture. The fact is the unrest has only come to the surface in the last couple of games when fans patience has been tested most, whenb the spectre of relegation has become most evident. Fans were predicting AL and AS etc would be sold by now, that has not happened (although there is time) had our home form been slightly better with 2 extra wins the protests would not be ongoing. The short answer is he does not - if he has spoken with an Out of work manager, he is entitled to do so, but not as a a rep of the club, if hes spoken to someone currently in a job or to their chairman, has he now become an agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 That is because he appears to court publicity and is pally with the fans. If that is the criteria for a good chairman let him return No the criteris for a good chairman is if Alpine says he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 if this was from the solent report -guessing from its time it was - think they said had manager with experience of CCC in mind??? not sure but sure it will be on their site. But didn't read it as proven etc, maybe pedantic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 if this was from the solent report -guessing from its time it was - think they said had manager with experience of CCC in mind??? not sure but sure it will be on their site. But didn't read it as proven etc, maybe pedanticWe've all got that in mind, I cant work out why LC is taking it upon himself to even comte,plate anything unless he takes over.They all are playing games and it is not helping any one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 No the criteris for a good chairman is if Alpine says he is... But Crouch's one main advantage is that he is not called Rupert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 But Crouch's one main advantage is that he is not called Rupert if he was Rupert Coruch, or Sebastian Crouch no doubt he would have the same animosity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 if this was from the solent report -guessing from its time it was - think they said had manager with experience of CCC in mind??? not sure but sure it will be on their site. But didn't read it as proven etc, maybe pedantic Its just gossip or 'planted gossip' If you ask me. Its easy for Crouch to 'let slip' he has done this or done that when its all completely impossible to substantiate.... its simple PR/spin as Crouch has always been a master of the silver tongue and getting fans 'onside' - If there was ever any substance to what he said, he might be a darn good chairman, but so far its been hot air and fan friendly rhetoric - He would get alot more respect by telling it as it is rather than more of the same 'look at me, I am a real fan and understand you all' stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I cannot believe this site sometimes. Frank's now speaking for the 'majority' of the fans, or at least he's done some poll which backs up his claim. As for the rest of you, to think that this club and it's fanbase is in anyway united and is moving forward, I'm sad to say, that cloud you;re sitting on, is not real! As for him lining up a manager, maybe he spoike to someone, so that when he returned and if he returned, he was going to do what Lowe should've done, and that was to replace JP. Lowe has lined up Wotte, so does that make him his agent? Don;t talk wet and don;t be so delusional! Like I said before, when we go bust and nothing remains except for Lowe, you guys will have exactly what you deserved, one massive love in. Because unless we all act to remove this charlatan, who promised much and delivered sweet FA, Saints will die, get it, it will be no more. So, please, install it as manager rather than eating them, they are effecting your grasp on reality! Saints are going under and Lowe is captain of that ship. Rerplacing the captain will give us a 'glimmer' and I repeat a 'glimmer' of hope. Whereas sitting on our hands and ignoring the chatastophy that is going on all around us, will be the end for Saints. It's in your hands. (do I speak for the majority, I have no friggin idea!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 if he was Rupert Coruch, or Sebastian Crouch no doubt he would have the same animosity Nick...COME ON!! We've got on well lately but this is a stupid comment. Lowe is despised not because of his name, but because he is an arrogant, pompous twaaat. His social standing means nothing. I know plenty of the higher classes and I've always found them charming people. Lowe is an ar$e - doesn't matter if he was called Mike....ooops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Its just gossip or 'planted gossip' If you ask me. Its easy for Crouch to 'let slip' he has done this or done that when its all completely impossible to substantiate.... its simple PR/spin as Crouch has always been a master of the silver tongue and getting fans 'onside' - If there was ever any substance to what he said' date=' he might be a darn good chairman, but so far its been hot air and fan friendly rhetoric - He would get alot more respect by telling it as it is rather than more of the same 'look at me, I am a real fan and understand you all' stuff....[/quote'] Frank, smell the coffee please, I have met you and I think you know that this is not gossip, did you hear what Mary Corbett has just said live on radio solent !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 if he was Rupert Coruch, or Sebastian Crouch no doubt he would have the same animosity Uhm ... although possibly correct from a few Nick... I think we have to move on from this. We are constantaly TOLD that the preudiced bunch is a tiny tiny minority and that most are simply responding to his actions during the last 4 years or so... My issues with Crouch are actually more similar to my original issues with Wilde - rhetoric with no substance designed to get in with fans. Fans who are desperate form some good news delivered in a 'fan friendly' way after years of Lowe's appaling communication and decisions... easy pickings for a wiley and PR savy bloke. Thats not to say I would not want him to succeed if he was back again - just wish he'd shut up with the platitudes and do whats necessary no matter how unpopular.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 if he was Rupert Coruch, or Sebastian Crouch no doubt he would have the same animosity Quote: Originally Posted by John B View Post But Crouch's one main advantage is that he is not called Rupert There we have it in 2 posts an example of when the Luvvies run out of ammunition its either a) blame the fans b) bring the class war into it. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Uhm ... although possibly correct from a few Nick... I think we have to move on from this. We are constantaly TOLD that the preudiced bunch is a tiny tiny minority and that most are simply responding to his actions during the last 4 years or so... My issues with Crouch are actually more similar to my original issues with Wilde - rhetoric with no substance designed to get in with fans. Fans who are desperate form some good news delivered in a 'fan friendly' way after years of Lowe's appaling communication and decisions... easy pickings for a wiley and PR savy bloke. Thats not to say I would not want him to succeed if he was back again - just wish he'd shut up with the platitudes and do whats necessary no matter how unpopular.... Yes I agree completely with what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 (edited) Quote: Originally Posted by John B View Post But Crouch's one main advantage is that he is not called Rupert There we have it in 2 posts an example of when the Luvvies run out of ammunition its either a) blame the fans b) bring the class war into it. Pathetic. Sorry I was going to say But Crouch's one main advantage is that he is not called Rupert Lowe meaning the fans would rather have anybody rather than Lowe. Although I do think Lowe's name and background do not help him By the way I am not a Lowe luvvie and would like to see him eventually go. But as that seems unlikely at the moment so we have to live with him being Chairman Edited 26 January, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Can someone tell me how he has the permission to line a manager up? Very Interested in the answer to this. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Very Interested in the answer to this. ? I would not think he needed permission to line up a manager. But if he is involved with a takeover I would have thought it a good thing to be prepared. Whether it is true is another matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 There is nothing wrong with Crouch having a new manager ready to come it. At least he can say to the board "JP is just not good enough. He has to go and I have an ideal replacement willing to come in" However JP went and to his disappointment MW was confirmed in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Very Interested in the answer to this. ? Maybe he spoke to someone, so that when or if Lowe and Wilde excepted his proposals that Poortvleit had to go !! he would hit the ground running to sort this mess that Lowe has caused with this stupid Dutch idea !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Could you please all stop quoting Frank. I put him on my ignore list so I wouldn't have to read his drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Can someone tell me how he has the permission to line a manager up? In the same way that Fulthorpe had Shearer lined up I guess....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Could you please all stop quoting Frank. I put him on my ignore list so I wouldn't have to read his drivel. Some of the absolute drivel written in this thread from the pro-Lowe camp is quite beyond comprehension but there you go. Back to the original post...until such times as Crouch is in a position to go forward with the club under his juristiction then 'lining up' a new manager is a pretty worthless project I would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I think you will find that Leon Crouch wanted Wilde to step down as chairman of the football board and he would take over. As for a manager being lined up if he was to become chairman of the football ball, it would be a case of an out of work manager happy to work with Crouch once the remaining two Dutch men had been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Its just gossip or 'planted gossip' If you ask me. Its easy for Crouch to 'let slip' he has done this or done that when its all completely impossible to substantiate.... its simple PR/spin as Crouch has always been a master of the silver tongue and getting fans 'onside' - If there was ever any substance to what he said' date=' he might be a darn good chairman, but so far its been hot air and fan friendly rhetoric - He would get alot more respect by telling it as it is rather than more of the same 'look at me, I am a real fan and understand you all' stuff....[/quote'] Frank - I think you are talking nonsense here and are, if you don't mind me saying you are insulting Fos1 by your ignorance. Firstly Crouch is not the "master of the silver tongue" - you obviously have never met him. He is a man of very few words. Having once spent a whole day in his company talking about Saints he very rarely spun me a line and was quite diplomatic re Lowe and Wilde. Perhaps you ought to meet the man before making such unpleasant remarks. And you question what right does Crouch have in lining up a manager. Can I remind you when we met Wilde during the SoS initiative - he told us that he and Lowe had "lined" someone up so what's good for the goose and all that. Crouch went to Wilde and Lowe (as people on here had been imploring the 3 to bury their fdifferences), he went with some suggestions ie a new manager, and was rebuffed and yet now you blame him for trying. I have to say Frank my opinion of you has considerably lowered due to your rather petty critical outburst this morning (I don't regard it as an opinion btw - it is a criticism). You may not like Crouch or what ever, that is your right but for Gawds sake let's not knock anyone who is trying to save this club going into administration right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Could you please all stop quoting Frank. I put him on my ignore list so I wouldn't have to read his drivel.That's sad, you might actually learn something. Frank is not pro Lowe or anti Crouch. He can see through all the crap being dished out and has some reasonable balanced views. Just a bit long winded at times as he acknowledges. Can't fault his passion for SFC though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Good post, weve got a "luvvies", "pathetic" and a "smell the coffee" already, could still do with a few ITKs, WTFs, FFSs, references to great previous managers and preferably mention of a Friday takeover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durleyfos Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 But Crouch's one main advantage is that he is not called Rupert if he was Rupert Coruch, or Sebastian Crouch no doubt he would have the same animosity I've read some sh1te on this board over the years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 That's sad, you might actually learn something. Frank is not pro Lowe or anti Crouch. He can see through all the crap being dished out and has some reasonable balanced views. Just a bit long winded at times as he acknowledges. Can't fault his passion for SFC though. Sorry Ron. I don't think I could learn anything from Frank. Don't mistake long-winded for balanced. Objective he certainly is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Someone - FC - probably ,said they compared Wilde and Crouch similarly. Let me point out one small difference. Over the last 3 years Crouch has spent around a million pounds on various aspects of Southampton FC ie sponsorship, boxes, statue etc etc (that is not his figure but one given to me by another ex-director). Michael Wilde has not put one penny in over that same period - in fact the exact opposite. So you can see there is a small difference in the two men's rhetoric - one puts his hand in his pocket the other doesn't. Doesn't make Crouch the bees knees but it does give an indication of what each man thinks about this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 That's sad, you might actually learn something. Frank is not pro Lowe or anti Crouch. He can see through all the crap being dished out and has some reasonable balanced views. Just a bit long winded at times as he acknowledges. Can't fault his passion for SFC though. Clap Clap Thingy... Let's try to get united here - we need to find the best way forward. WE HAVE TO DRIVE THIS FORWARD - the 3 amigos can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Having seen a list recently published of about 90 British managers out of work I reckon I could line somebody up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 You may not like Crouch or what ever, that is your right but for Gawds sake let's not knock anyone who is trying to save this club going into administration right now. Precisely. Which leads the question... 'Just what are Lowe and Wilde doing to avoid Admin?' Hmmm... 1) On holiday 2) Sharing a Beach Hut with Lord Lucan and Elvis picking up tips on how to stay elusive. Fin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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