What Is Happening To Our Country?

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, egg said:

So you're making a generalised assumption about some people who's views you don't actually know.

Absolutely I am. Exactly the same as you would if Tommy Robinson claimed he didn’t hate Muslims, he only hated the Pakistani government, and didn’t want Pakistani’s banned from the lords test because they were Muslims, but because of their Government policies. 
 

Edited Saturday at 18:08 by Lord Duckhunter

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Absolutely I am. Exactly the same as you would if Tommy Robinson claimed he didn’t hate Muslims, he only hated the Pakistani government. 
 

That's a terrible comparison. It'd had some relevance if Pakistan had steamed into Indian Kashmir and killed 50k innocent people, pretty much destroyed the place, and starved the remaining people. Until then, it's just a daft point. 

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

That's a terrible comparison. It'd had some relevance if Pakistan had steamed into Indian Kashmir and killed 50k innocent people, pretty much destroyed the place, and starved the remaining people. Until then, it's just a daft point. 

They are whacking Afghani's right now. 

[Gloucester Saint]

Dangerous stuff when the flows of all sorts of shady funding are coming into Reform plus Musk’s unchecked activities https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62e7xz02dpo

[Gloucester Saint]

The flags brigade dispelling the myth about them being middle aged white skinheads with IQs in single digits…..nah, of course they aren’t https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cly23p53xe4t

[AlexLaw76]

Tragic that parts of Birmingham have become, or seemingly become, no-go areas for Jews. This can’t happen 

Sadly , this is probably replicated in other UK cities that embrace diversity.

Edited Sunday at 09:53 by AlexLaw76

[sadoldgit]

58 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tragic that parts of Birmingham have become, or seemingly become, no-go areas for Jews. This can’t happen 

Sadly , this is probably replicated in other UK cities that embrace diversity.

Yeah, because we can all look at other people and instantly know what religion they follow. Not surprising that you have got a like from nutty nic. You swallow Farage’s line about diversity hook, line and sinker which is very odd given that you say you live in London, one of the most diverse places on the planet. 
There will always be people who don’t like “outsiders” and go out of their way to make them feel unwelcome. You just have to look at the number of flags that suddenly appeared on lampposts and motorway bridges that are designed clearly to mark territory and make “outsiders” feel uncomfortable. The flags are being put up by white Anglo Saxons, not Jewish people, not Muslims.

As a white Anglo Saxon Londoner, there were a few areas in south London that we used to avoid a few years ago. Not because of anyone else but other white Anglo Saxon Londoners.

There will always be areas that some people will feel unsafe in for some reason or other. To put this down just to people with different colour skin or different religions is doing Farage’s work for him. Something you have been doing for many years.

Incidentally, it makes a pleasant change to see you show some concern for a minority group in this country. It’s telling that you have never showed the same concern over Muslims, gay people etc.

Edited Sunday at 10:49 by sadoldgit
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57 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tragic that parts of Birmingham have become, or seemingly become, no-go areas for Jews. This can’t happen 

Sadly , this is probably replicated in other UK cities that embrace diversity.

I'd hazard a guess that a Jew could walk down the streets near Villa park and be absolutely fine. A group of aggressive Israeli football fans, chanting about raping Arab's and dead Arab children, probably won't be welcomed in by anyone for a cuppa though . 

It's not to understand the distinction here. If you choose to. 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I'd hazard a guess that a Jew could walk down the streets near Villa park and be absolutely fine. A group of aggressive Israeli football fans, chanting about raping Arab's and dead Arab children, probably won't be welcomed in by anyone for a cuppa though . 

It's not to understand the distinction here. If you choose to. 

Still buying that line then? The ‘real reason’ 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tragic that parts of Birmingham have become, or seemingly become, no-go areas for Jews. This can’t happen 

Sadly , this is probably replicated in other UK cities that embrace diversity.

2001 3% of Uk population were Muslims

2021 6%

By 2050 17.2% forecast. Imagine how happy SOG will be? Hopefully all the synagogues will have gone by then and rebuilt with mosques.

[Lord Duckhunter]

30 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You just have to look at the number of flags that suddenly appeared on lampposts and motorway bridges that are designed clearly to mark territory and make “outsiders” feel uncomfortable. The flags are being put up by white Anglo Saxons,

Fucking hell, we’re in Britain man…Typical soft arsed leftie, the attitude that will send Nigel to number 10.

So putting British flags up in Britain is making “outsiders” uncomfortable. I suggest they fuck off and live somewhere else then. Some country that doesn’t fly its flag. Good luck with finding one. They fly the flag in the US everywhere, as an immigrant, it didn’t make me feel “uncomfortable” why should it?

Interesting use of outsiders as well, personally I think it’s their flag if they’re British, it doesn’t belong to the white population. 

Edited Sunday at 11:11 by Lord Duckhunter

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

54 minutes ago, egg said:

I'd hazard a guess that a Jew could walk down the streets near Villa park and be absolutely fine. A group of aggressive Israeli football fans, chanting about raping Arab's and dead Arab children, probably won't be welcomed in by anyone for a cuppa though . 

It's not to understand the distinction here. If you choose to. 

 Why does the government have to spend £10m on security for Jewish schools? 

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I'd hazard a guess that a Jew could walk down the streets near Villa park and be absolutely fine. A group of aggressive Israeli football fans, chanting about raping Arab's and dead Arab children, probably won't be welcomed in by anyone for a cuppa though . 

It's not to understand the distinction here. If you choose to. 

I met a Jewish lady at a birthday party last month. She was 87 and her sister had survived Auschwitz because she could play the violin. Her sister though died young but had told her story to her and she had written a book about it. She told me that she was on a train from Reading one evening and a man had seen her star of David on her necklace and told her "you Jews are not welcome here". She said it was the first time in this country that she had ever encountered this. What shocked me was that the people near by did not call out the man, they sat in silence.   

Edited Sunday at 12:05 by Sergei Gotsmanov

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

I met a Jewish lady at a birthday party last month. She was 87 and her sister had survived Auschwitz because she could play the violin. Her sister though died young but had told her story to her and she had written a book about it. She told me that she was on a train from Reading one evening and a man had seen her star of David on her necklace and told her "you Jews are not welcome here". She said it was the first time in this country that she had ever encountered this. What shocked me was that the people near by did not call out the man, they sat in silence.   

We've also had this shocking thing being reported today. Yet people like to pretend there's no heightened risk: 

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1 hour ago, whelk said:

Still buying that line then? The ‘real reason’ 

I'm still recognising that there's a distinction between Jews and Israeli football hooligans. I've said what I think the real reason is - Haifa fans are scum, they pose a danger, and they're at risk. I don't think the latter is because they're Jewish.

Edited Sunday at 12:16 by egg

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40 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

 Why does the government have to spend £10m on security for Jewish schools? 

Because anti semitism is a thing. 

[hypochondriac]

29 minutes ago, egg said:

Because anti semitism is a thing. 

So we know that anti semitic exists. I'm not sure why you would think it wouldn't be at the very least a factor in the decision to ban these fans. Do you think if it were another Israeli club that didn't have some history of disorder, that some serious consideration wouldn't be given to banning those fans too? If you honest you know that the fact they are fans of an Israeli club potentially coming in big numbers into an area with a large Muslim population has factored into this decision. It's obtuse to pretend this is solely due to disorder from the away club.

Edited Sunday at 13:00 by hypochondriac

[badgerx16]

55 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

We've also had this shocking thing being reported today. Yet people like to pretend there's no heightened risk: 

So there is no chance that this chap was actually arrested for "repeated breaches" of a Police instruction to keep his distance from the pro-Palestine protesters ?

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So there is no chance that this chap was actually arrested for "repeated breaches" of a Police instruction to keep his distance from the pro-Palestine protesters ?

I wasn't referring to that. Did you watch the video where the fact he was wearing a star of David was cited as evidence of provocative behaviour?

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28 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So we know that anti semitic exists. I'm not sure why you would think it wouldn't be at the very least a factor in the decision to ban these fans. Do you think if it were another Israeli club that didn't have some history of disorder, that some serious consideration wouldn't be given to banning those fans too? If you honest you know that the fact they are fans of an Israeli club potentially coming in big numbers into an area with a large Muslim population has factored into this decision. It's obtuse to pretend this is solely due to disorder from the away club.

Are you suggesting that the decision was anti-Semitic in itself, or that the decision was made to protect the Haifa fans from potential anti-Semitism? 

I haven't said that the decision was "solely due to disorder from the away club". You've made that up. 

 

[badgerx16]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I wasn't referring to that. Did you watch the video where the fact he was wearing a star of David was cited as evidence of provocative behaviour?

Yes I saw the video, but I also read the DT article, from which I quoted the Met Police.

Edited Sunday at 13:36 by badgerx16

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Are you suggesting that the decision was anti-Semitic in itself, or that the decision was made to protect the Haifa fans from potential anti-Semitism? 

I haven't said that the decision was "solely due to disorder from the away club". You've made that up. 

 

Good we agree then. The objectionable part is if being Israeli factored into the decision to ban them. I expect that was a factor because they thought they would be at a greater risk walking through an area with a high Muslim population. It sounds like the government may provide the necessary support to ensure that Haifa fans can attend the game with necessary protection to prevent them being attacked. Hopefully they are also reminded about appropriate behaviours from any cohort that wants to cause trouble and those fans that want to attend peacefully to support their team can do so.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Yes I saw the video, but I also read the DT article, from which I quoted the Met Police.

I'm not sure why it's relevant. I wasn't objecting to his arrest necessarily, I was objecting to what was in the video.

[LuckyNumber7]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Yeah, because we can all look at other people and instantly know what religion they follow. Not surprising that you have got a like from nutty nic. You swallow Farage’s line about diversity hook, line and sinker which is very odd given that you say you live in London, one of the most diverse places on the planet. 
There will always be people who don’t like “outsiders” and go out of their way to make them feel unwelcome. You just have to look at the number of flags that suddenly appeared on lampposts and motorway bridges that are designed clearly to mark territory and make “outsiders” feel uncomfortable. The flags are being put up by white Anglo Saxons, not Jewish people, not Muslims.

 

Oh no, those evil English people putting up England flags in England! The cheek of it!

Bet it's fine to fly Palestinian flags though right? Frankly if anyone comes to this country and finds the sight of an England flag uncomfortable, then they shouldn't be here. Attitudes like yours are disgusting and exactly why Farage/Reform are so popular.

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1 minute ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Oh no, those evil English people putting up England flags in England! The cheek of it!

Bet it's fine to fly Palestinian flags though right? Frankly if anyone comes to this country and finds the sight of an England flag uncomfortable, then they shouldn't be here. Attitudes like yours are disgusting and exactly why Farage/Reform are so popular.

Why do English people now feel the need to fly the English flag? I don't feel any less English now than I have all my life, so don't all of a sudden feel the need to fly the flag. I expect if I would if I wanted to be divisive though. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

37 minutes ago, egg said:

Are you suggesting that the decision was anti-Semitic in itself, or that the decision was made to protect the Haifa fans from potential anti-Semitism? 

I thought it was Maccabi Tel Aviv, not Maccabi Haifa. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

13 minutes ago, egg said:

Why do English people now feel the need to fly the English flag? I don't feel any less English now than I have all my life, so don't all of a sudden feel the need to fly the flag. I expect if I would if I wanted to be divisive though. 

Nor do I, but why can’t people fly the flag if they want to. Like the French do, like Americans do. And why would flying a flag be divisive, it’s something that unites a nation, like the national anthem. Surely it’s only divisive to people who don't want to integrate. 

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14 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Nor do I, but why can’t people fly the flag if they want to. Like the French do, like Americans do. And why would flying a flag be divisive, it’s something that unites a nation, like the national anthem. Surely it’s only divisive to people who don't want to integrate. 

Does this nation feel more or less united than it has previously? 

The flags are about nationalism, not patriotism. Nobody is flying them to promote unity! 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/i/ip-it/isabel-oakeshott/

A delightfully neutral article on the subject by Richard Tice's missus. 

As usual with paywall articles, just hit airplane mode as the page is loading and you're in. 

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, egg said:

Does this nation feel more or less united than it has previously? 

The flags are about nationalism, not patriotism. Nobody is flying them to promote unity! 

Undoubtedly.

[iansums]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/i/ip-it/isabel-oakeshott/

A delightfully neutral article on the subject by Richard Tice's missus. 

As usual with paywall articles, just hit airplane mode as the page is loading and you're in. 

Its an opinion piece, one I absolutely agree with, but the again I am islamophobic.

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8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Undoubtedly.

More or less united....

For me, we've become more divided over time, and increasingly so since the flags. 

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3 minutes ago, iansums said:

Its an opinion piece, one I absolutely agree with, but the again I am islamophobic.

You've got to love an opinion piece, based on a loss of national identity, from someone who who's buggered off to live in Dubai. 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

More or less united....

For me, we've become more divided over time, and increasingly so since the flags. 

Much less united. I don't really care about flags and I'm sure some of the people are doing it because it's their way of saying they want non white people out of the country (though not everyone clearly.) Putting the flags up in my opinion has had very little to do with a feeling of disunity.

Edited Sunday at 15:07 by hypochondriac

[benjii]

3 hours ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

 Why does the government have to spend £10m on security for Jewish schools? 

Probably because of the psychotic Israeli government stirring up anti-Israeli feeling, which morphs, in the minds of simpletons into anti-Jewish feelings.

Much the way that a few Muslim rapists causes simpletons to go on the racism marches.

[benjii]

I, for one, am interested in the opinions of a bile-spewing old hag that steps-out with a prominent figure in a Russian money laundering outfit.

[Lord Duckhunter]

53 minutes ago, egg said:

For me, we've become more divided over time, and increasingly so since the flags.

Funny isn’t it, the more people we import from different cultures the more divided we’re becoming.
 

Flags have been used for years  to signal people’s virtue, whether it’s  LGBT, Palestinian or some other woke pony. So it’s no surprise that people want to signal their patriotism by flying the nations. If “outsiders” have a problem with that, perhaps they’re living in the wrong country. 

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5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Funny isn’t it, the more people we import from different cultures the more divided we’re becoming.
 

Flags have been used for years  to signal people’s virtue, whether it’s  LGBT, Palestinian or some other woke pony. So it’s no surprise that people want to signal their patriotism by flying the nations. If “outsiders” have a problem with that, perhaps they’re living in the wrong country. 

Why does an English person who's never previously flown our flag now feel the need to do so? He's no less English than he was last year.

And nationalism is not patriotism. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I thought it was Maccabi Tel Aviv, not Maccabi Haifa. 

What?! There goes an afternoon writing "welcome Maccabi Haifa" onto giant English flags for nothing. Thanks a bunch egg.

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, egg said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/i/ip-it/isabel-oakeshott/

A delightfully neutral article on the subject by Richard Tice's missus. 

As usual with paywall articles, just hit airplane mode as the page is loading and you're in. 

She’s a fucking horrendous little rat.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Funny isn’t it, the more people we import from different cultures the more divided we’re becoming.
 

Flags have been used for years  to signal people’s virtue, whether it’s  LGBT, Palestinian or some other woke pony. So it’s no surprise that people want to signal their patriotism by flying the nations. If “outsiders” have a problem with that, perhaps they’re living in the wrong country. 

 

Back to traditional flag waving!

If you're not a Morris dancer, then out you go. Regardless of ethnicity.

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5 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

She’s a fucking horrendous little rat.

Indeed. Loves her country so much she doesn't live in it. An unpatriotic nationalist if you like. 

And here's an alternative opinion on the Israeli football hooligans. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP6zZ1Djlmh/?igsh=bDIxaWhuZzlxcjhq

 

[hypochondriac]

22 minutes ago, egg said:

Why does an English person who's never previously flown our flag now feel the need to do so? He's no less English than he was last year.

And nationalism is not patriotism. 

I expect some people have seen some of the division caused in part by people who seemingly hate a lot about this country and want to advertise their opposition to that. Along with some people being racists of course.

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. Loves her country so much she doesn't live in it. An unpatriotic nationalist if you like. 

And here's an alternative opinion on the Israeli football hooligans. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP6zZ1Djlmh/?igsh=bDIxaWhuZzlxcjhq

 

I'm not sure why you continue to push this point. You've accepted yourself that the reason to ban them was not solely because they are hooligans. I don't think anyone has expressed opposition to a potential ban if it was solely due to that.

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I expect some people have seen some of the division caused in part by people who seemingly hate a lot about this country and want to advertise their opposition to that. Along with some people being racists of course.

So meeting division with divisive behaviour. A reform government will just amplify the division. We're not on a smooth and pleasant road. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

So meeting division with divisive behaviour. A reform government will just amplify the division. We're not on a smooth and pleasant road. 

I don't consider the putting up of flags to be divisive behaviour. I am sure some people will have done it to cause division but many will be using it to highlight the fact they are proud of their country and that they want to unite around being English which would include being welcoming of those from other nations who subscribe to our values and who recognise the fact that they are guests of this country and behave accordingly. Obviously I can't speak for everyone who does it - I wouldn't do it myself -but if that is the message then I can certainly get on board with that.

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2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not sure why you continue to push this point. You've accepted yourself that the reason to ban them was not solely because they are hooligans. I don't think anyone has expressed opposition to a potential ban if it was solely due to that.

From someone who tiresomely pushes his points, it's poor form that you question my pushing my point. 

Regardless, I'm not sure that the likes of Duck see the ban as justified on any level, and some see the banning of an islamophobic mob as an anti-Semitic act which it isn't. The reel highlights the nonsensical opposition to the ban. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, egg said:

From someone who tiresomely pushes his points, it's poor form that you question my pushing my point. 

Regardless, I'm not sure that the likes of Duck see the ban as justified on any level, and some see the banning of an islamophobic mob as an anti-Semitic act which it isn't. The reel highlights the nonsensical opposition to the ban. 

No one has argued that there isn't a hooligan element within their fanbase though. I haven't said you aren't allowed to repeat a point that as far as I can see no one has contested, I'm just questioning why you are doing so.

"Some see the banning of an islamophobic mob as an anti-Semitic act which it isn't." What people and where? Given that you have accepted yourself that these people haven't been banned for being an "islamophobic mob" how can you know that what you are saying is true? If the police had been explicit that this was the only reason that this group were banned and there was opposition then maybe you'd have a point but that hasn't happened.

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I thought it was Maccabi Tel Aviv, not Maccabi Haifa. 

Easy mistake, they all look the same.  😉

[Gloucester Saint]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't consider the putting up of flags to be divisive behaviour. I am sure some people will have done it to cause division but many will be using it to highlight the fact they are proud of their country and that they want to unite around being English which would include being welcoming of those from other nations who subscribe to our values and who recognise the fact that they are guests of this country and behave accordingly. Obviously I can't speak for everyone who does it - I wouldn't do it myself -but if that is the message then I can certainly get on board with that.

If people want to put flags up on their own property using a proper flagpole, as some did before the current nonsense, absolutely fine. Their property, looks smart, doesn’t degrade neighbourhoods in any way, good on them. And during major sporting events where Team GB, or England are doing well, perfectly normal stuff.

Shoving scruffy Sports Direct quality flags in the public realm - lampposts, shopping centres, high streets - that’s just football banning order territory and there to make non white British born people uncomfortable (this is certainly the case with work colleagues)  and those born in mainland EU, let alone the asylum seekers it is probably aimed at by Robinson’s thugs, and judging by Oakeshott’s comments Reform’s as well. More Robinson and Reform can be linked the better it is. Well done Isobel.

As for the vandalising of roundabouts, best to respond to the knuckle dragged brigade by converting them to noughts and crosses and Battenberg patterns.