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The Kraken

The Kraken

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7 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:


This is the sad part 

 

By ignoring the obvious problems and calling everyone far-right, they have made the situation 100x worse. 
 

I’d argue that racism was almost extinct in this country in the early 00s. The impact of immigration barely crossed my mind. 
 

But now it’s all going to get more divided than ever because the politicians are too scared to do basic, common sense things. And it’s led to horrific crimes happening every single day 

:mcinnes:

 

Jesus fucking Christ. Your posts make you seem pretty simple, but this is a new low.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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17 minutes ago, egg said:

Updated. People being "burnt out of their houses", "apocalyptic scenes", and "black people targeted". 

The incident yesterday was appalling, but this kind of reaction is disgraceful.

The state of the nation. 

The loyalist mobs are what Farage and Lowe aspire to. I bet Tommy Robinson was having a right old hand job watching the violence and pure racial hatred. 

@CB Fry if only it was just a bus being set on fire….although that always excites the camera crews as an image.

Trial of the Sudanese man needs to be rapid, and instant deportation on release day. 

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egg

egg

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10 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The loyalist mobs are what Farage and Lowe aspire to. I bet Tommy Robinson was having a right old hand job watching the violence and pure racial hatred. 

@CB Fry if only it was just a bus being set on fire….although that always excites the camera crews as an image.

Trial of the Sudanese man needs to be rapid, and instant deportation on release day. 

Agree to all of that. The outrage of a normal human being doesn't involve targeting human beings with different colour skin or a different religion, or burning their houses. What we're seeing is people taking an opportunity to act out their prejudices, and for others to stoke them. Reprehensible stuff. 

And yep, give the bloke a fast track trial, ditto any appeal, and get him gone. Bizarre that he was able to remain in NI given he landed in Dublin. 

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whelk

whelk

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40 minutes ago, egg said:

Updated. People being "burnt out of their houses", "apocalyptic scenes", and "black people targeted". 

The incident yesterday was appalling, but this kind of reaction is disgraceful.

The state of the nation. 

Patriots 

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whelk

whelk

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20 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

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Im sure this is just a mental health episode too 

It’s ok, you can come out from under your bed now

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
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41 minutes ago, egg said:

Agree to all of that. The outrage of a normal human being doesn't involve targeting human beings with different colour skin or a different religion, or burning their houses. What we're seeing is people taking an opportunity to act out their prejudices, and for others to stoke them. Reprehensible stuff. 

And yep, give the bloke a fast track trial, ditto any appeal, and get him gone. Bizarre that he was able to remain in NI given he landed in Dublin. 

Is it bizarre? I bet it happens all the time.

egg

egg

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Is it bizarre? I bet it happens all the time.

It feels bizarre to me that someone seeking asylum can land in Dublin and literally be able to walk into the UK. But sure, I suspect it happens often.  

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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, whelk said:

The pussies will all be crying at the sentences - fucking two tier blah blah


By “pussies” do you mean “people that are able to think critically”?

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egg

egg

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7 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:


By “pussies” do you mean “people that are able to think critically”?

I think you mean people with thinking that warrants criticism. 

Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

Posted
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1 hour ago, egg said:

Agree to all of that. The outrage of a normal human being doesn't involve targeting human beings with different colour skin or a different religion, or burning their houses. What we're seeing is people taking an opportunity to act out their prejudices, and for others to stoke them. Reprehensible stuff. 

And yep, give the bloke a fast track trial, ditto any appeal, and get him gone. Bizarre that he was able to remain in NI given he landed in Dublin. 


What was it the left said?

 

Oh yes - “it’s just buildings, they have insurance”

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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Lessons will be learnt, we must not condone hate and violence, what is meant to divide must unite us, we will smash the gangs.

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Turkish

Turkish

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8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lessons will be learnt, we must not condone hate and violence, what is meant to divide must unite us, we will smash the gangs.

We are taking tough decisions

Lessons will be learned

we inherted the problems

Rebuilding the foundations of this country

Let me be clear

We must not be divided

This country is built on immigration

Something about the far right

Keir Starmer today. 

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ecuk268

ecuk268

Posted
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1 hour ago, egg said:

It feels bizarre to me that someone seeking asylum can land in Dublin and literally be able to walk into the UK. But sure, I suspect it happens often.  

Anyone can cross into Northern Ireland.

He was given leave to remain by Suella Braverman.

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Turkish

Turkish

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I dont know about anyone else but my first thought on all the events recently has been WE MUST NOT LET THE FAR RIGHT USE THIS TO DIVIDE US.

Then i spared a thoughts for the victims before getting angry about the far right again.

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iansums

iansums

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2 hours ago, egg said:

Agree to all of that. The outrage of a normal human being doesn't involve targeting human beings with different colour skin or a different religion, or burning their houses. What we're seeing is people taking an opportunity to act out their prejudices, and for others to stoke them. Reprehensible stuff. 

And yep, give the bloke a fast track trial, ditto any appeal, and get him gone. Bizarre that he was able to remain in NI given he landed in Dublin. 

Totally agree with this, but what will the Human Rights lawyers have to say about it.

egg

egg

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30 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Anyone can cross into Northern Ireland.

He was given leave to remain by Suella Braverman.

Cheers, I hadn't appreciated that. I had understood that he was still seeking asylum. 

egg

egg

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10 minutes ago, iansums said:

Totally agree with this, but what will the Human Rights lawyers have to say about it.

That's the issue. He has a right to a fair trial, and appeal, but there's judicial control over that. All I ask is that things are processed as quickly as possible, as I'm sure the rioters will be. 

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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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32 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I dont know about anyone else but my first thought on all the events recently has been WE MUST NOT LET THE FAR RIGHT USE THIS TO DIVIDE US.

Then i spared a thoughts for the victims before getting angry about the far right again.


Personally I think filling our communities with thousands of unvetted criminals is the divisive part, not the protests.
 

But what do I know.

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egg

egg

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32 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I dont know about anyone else but my first thought on all the events recently has been WE MUST NOT LET THE FAR RIGHT USE THIS TO DIVIDE US.

Then i spared a thoughts for the victims before getting angry about the far right again.

The politicising in this thread tells you all you need to know about many people's priorities.

Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to mention left or right. 

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whelk

whelk

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Just now, egg said:

Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to mention left or right

It suits that they put this on their bogey man-‘ the left’.

In many simple people’s world you either a support a vigilante mob who are happy to smash up peoples communities or you are actively supporting mass migration and beheadings

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whelk

whelk

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5 minutes ago, egg said:

That's the issue. He has a right to a fair trial, and appeal, but there's judicial control over that. All I ask is that things are processed as quickly as possible, as I'm sure the rioters will be. 

It is insane why can’t put so much more resources into fast tracking claims, appeals and then deportations - would get massive support from most. Our society has too many checks and balances that are clearly being absused. Need to get a lot tougher 

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iansums

iansums

Posted
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5 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is insane why can’t put so much more resources into fast tracking claims, appeals and then deportations - would get massive support from most. Our society has too many checks and balances that are clearly being absused. Need to get a lot tougher 

Spot bloody on

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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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40 minutes ago, egg said:

The politicising in this thread tells you all you need to know about many people's priorities.

Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to mention left or right. 


Because that’s literally all Starmer does. 
 

Even today - he’s blaming social media instead of being accountable for governments failings. He’s making everything even worse. 

egg

egg

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35 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is insane why can’t put so much more resources into fast tracking claims, appeals and then deportations - would get massive support from most. Our society has too many checks and balances that are clearly being absused. Need to get a lot tougher 

Amen to that. The issue is money, and bodies, as much as anything. The immigration and asylum tribunal system has a finite number of judges. The lord chancellor could redeploy from elsewhere, but there'd be uproar of that was from the court system, or other tribunals such as send or employment. The only solution, as you say, is a streamlined process with less checks and balances, and imo there needs to a swift move to a streamlined non judge led process. 

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egg

egg

Posted
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4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:


Because that’s literally all Starmer does. 
 

Even today - he’s blaming social media instead of being accountable for governments failings. He’s making everything even worse. 

SM isn't left or right mate, but it's a huge part of the problem. Identifying it as part of the problem is correct, and it only makes things worse if you're of the ilk that sees his doing that as an issue. 

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RedArmy

RedArmy

Posted
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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I dont know about anyone else but my first thought on all the events recently has been WE MUST NOT LET THE FAR RIGHT USE THIS TO DIVIDE US.

 

This was my first thought too. 
 

My second thought was “well it’s not happening to anyone I know so why should I care” 

 

And my third thought was to get a ‘refugees welcome’ placard and go and protest the protests while shouting NAZI SCUM OFF OUR STREETS. 

Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

Posted
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9 minutes ago, egg said:

SM isn't left or right mate, but it's a huge part of the problem. Identifying it as part of the problem is correct, and it only makes things worse if you're of the ilk that sees his doing that as an issue. 


The way I view it (and I appreciate you don’t agree) is that social media is not the problem. People are angry because they are being ignored.
 

Social media is the platform that gives people a voice. 
 

By pretending that social media is the issue, he is yet again ignoring people’s valid concerns and fanning the flames of division 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

Posted
Posted
21 minutes ago, egg said:

Amen to that. The issue is money, and bodies, as much as anything. The immigration and asylum tribunal system has a finite number of judges. The lord chancellor could redeploy from elsewhere, but there'd be uproar of that was from the court system, or other tribunals such as send or employment. The only solution, as you say, is a streamlined process with less checks and balances, and imo there needs to a swift move to a streamlined non judge led process. 

Human rights law firms and activists would scream but I’ve little sympathy because they’ll lie and tell judges pink is blue when it suits them and their client.

There has been some acceleration since Braverman ground the system to a halt but it has to be much faster still, and yes, that has to mean tribunals. 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Turkish said:

We are taking tough decisions

Lessons will be learned

we inherted the problems

Rebuilding the foundations of this country

Let me be clear

We must not be divided

This country is built on immigration

Something about the far right

Keir Starmer today. 

You missed diversity is our strength.

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