What Is Happening To Our Country?

[bpsaint]

20 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

How are they doing that?

Funding the illegal crossings into Europe, particularly across the Mediterranean and the Channel. Funding the professional protesters that we see from the left constantly. Not to mention the funding for Islamic centres across Europe that Qatar are paying for. Look at the giant mosque that’s being built in France, the islamification of the west right before our eyes.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by bpsaint

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5 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Funding the illegal crossings into Europe, particularly across the Mediterranean and the Channel. Funding the professional protesters that we see from the left constantly. Not to mention the funding for Islamic centres across Europe that Qatar are paying for. Look at the giant mosque that’s being built in France, the islamification of the west right before our eyes.

 

How do you know Qatar and Russia are funding any of this? 

What do Qatar gain by Muslims moving to Europe? 

 

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Funding the illegal crossings into Europe, particularly across the Mediterranean and the Channel. Funding the professional protesters that we see from the left constantly. Not to mention the funding for Islamic centres across Europe that Qatar are paying for. Look at the giant mosque that’s being built in France, the islamification of the west right before our eyes.

 

Wow. 

I guess Brexit was part of this plan as well? Was that referendum rigged by the same people?

Why have they not funded wars in all these countries to ensure that they are seen as refugee's and can stay in Europe rather than being sent back? Sudan currently has one, but assume a wider war across all Muslim countries in that part of the world would be a better way of doing it.

 

 

Just out of interest, why do you think it's this rather than people wanting more money and risking their horrendous lives in the poorest countries in the world at the chance of improving their lives.

Edited 12 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[bpsaint]

26 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Wow. 

I guess Brexit was part of this plan as well? Was that referendum rigged by the same people?

Why have they not funded wars in all these countries to ensure that they are seen as refugee's and can stay in Europe rather than being sent back? Sudan currently has one, but assume a wider war across all Muslim countries in that part of the world would be a better way of doing it.

 

 

Just out of interest, why do you think it's this rather than people wanting more money and risking their horrendous lives in the poorest countries in the world at the chance of improving their lives.

Why don’t they seek refuge in their nearest country? There’s plenty of Muslim countries they could seek refuge in, why not go there? Why head to the west, a way of life they absolutely hate so they want to turn it into one of their shitholes when they arrive. They head to Europe because we’re an easy target, and they know they can exploit the systems when they arrive.

Poland has the right idea, don’t see why us as an island nation find it so hard to curb the invasion. Unless as mentioned because it’s entirely by design. More boats = more votes.

[Farmer Saint]

20 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Why don’t they seek refuge in their nearest country? There’s plenty of Muslim countries they could seek refuge in, why not go there? Why head to the west, a way of life they absolutely hate so they want to turn it into one of their shitholes when they arrive. They head to Europe because we’re an easy target, and they know they can exploit the systems when they arrive.

Poland has the right idea, don’t see why us as an island nation find it so hard to curb the invasion. Unless as mentioned because it’s entirely by design. More boats = more votes.

Because they want money, and neighbouring countries to Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia don't have that, hence why they come to Europe via Spain.

What has Poland done to reduce the number of migrants BTW? Considering it's not really on the geographic route for Muslim's, I'm unsure what your point is?

[ecuk268]

24 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

 

Poland has the right idea, don’t see why us as an island nation find it so hard to curb the invasion. Unless as mentioned because it’s entirely by design. More boats = more votes.

What votes?

Unauthorised small-boat arrivals are excluded from voting as they cannot become UK citizens.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, ecuk268 said:

What votes?

Unauthorised small-boat arrivals are excluded from voting as they cannot become UK citizens.

It's mental how some people don't know the basics of how the world works, but then I guess it stops them asking the basic due diligence enquiries to the people posting on X and Facebook.

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Why don’t they seek refuge in their nearest country? There’s plenty of Muslim countries they could seek refuge in, why not go there? Why head to the west, a way of life they absolutely hate so they want to turn it into one of their shitholes when they arrive. They head to Europe because we’re an easy target, and they know they can exploit the systems when they arrive.

Poland has the right idea, don’t see why us as an island nation find it so hard to curb the invasion. Unless as mentioned because it’s entirely by design. More boats = more votes.

That’s one of the questions no one can ever answer. They have to come through the whole of Europe then risk their life in a dingy paying a criminal gang a lot of money to come here when if they could settle at plenty of other places along the way without any of that 

Is it really that much of a leap to suggest that enemies of the west are funding mass immigration of a polar opposite culture? can’t launch nuclear missiles so do that and watch them implode. whilst at the same time promoting a woke culture where everyone is so terrified of being called racist if they object they clap along and welcome them open arms. It’s a brilliant plan and it’s working. Meanwhile how many immigrants are trying to get into Russian and China? 

[whelk]

 

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That’s one of the questions no one can ever answer. They have to come through the whole of Europe then risk their life in a dingy paying a criminal gang a lot of money to come here when if they could settle at plenty of other places along the way without any of that 

Is it really that much of a leap to suggest that enemies of the west are funding mass immigration of a polar opposite culture? can’t launch nuclear missiles so do that and watch them implode. whilst at the same time promoting a woke culture where everyone is so terrified of being called racist if they object they clap along and welcome them open arms. It’s a brilliant plan and it’s working. Meanwhile how many immigrants are trying to get into Russian and China? 

A long old watch and years since I saw but remember Curtis making the point about funding left and right it didn’t really matter, Russian just wanted chaos

 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That’s one of the questions no one can ever answer. They have to come through the whole of Europe then risk their life in a dingy paying a criminal gang a lot of money to come here when if they could settle at plenty of other places along the way without any of that 

Because many of them speak English, it's really that simple. 

Spain, Italy, France and Germany all have many more illegal immigrants than the UK every year as well.

[Turkish]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

Because many of them speak English, it's really that simple. 

Spain, Italy, France and Germany all have many more illegal immigrants than the UK every year as well.

But they’re fleeing war. Surely you’d just want to get to the safest place possible rather than travel thousands of miles then risk your life crossing an ocean in a dingy?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Turkish said:

But they’re fleeing war. Surely you’d just want to get to the safest place possible rather than travel thousands of miles then risk your life crossing an ocean in a dingy?

No, I'm saying they're economic migrants. Only Sudan out of the countries mentioned earlier has an ongoing war.

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58 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Wow. 

I guess Brexit was part of this plan as well? Was that referendum rigged by the same people?

Why have they not funded wars in all these countries to ensure that they are seen as refugee's and can stay in Europe rather than being sent back? Sudan currently has one, but assume a wider war across all Muslim countries in that part of the world would be a better way of doing it.

Just out of interest, why do you think it's this rather than people wanting more money and risking their horrendous lives in the poorest countries in the world at the chance of improving their lives.

I'm surprised the unspecified "elites" haven't had a mention yet. 

Regardless, I'm scratching my head as to why Qatar could possibly want to see Europe destabilised by a flood of Muslim migrants. Mossad / CIA orchestrating the recent Ceuta nonsense to aggravate the Spanish momentarily I can just about get, but the notion that Qatar is somehow, and for reasons unknown, trying to destabilise Europe as a whole is mental. 

[aintforever]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Because many of them speak English, it's really that simple. 

Spain, Italy, France and Germany all have many more illegal immigrants than the UK every year as well.

It's crazy how English people are so surprised people want to come here when we've spent much of our history going round the world, invading other countries and forcing our language and culture on them.

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10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 Is it really that much of a leap to suggest that enemies of the west are funding mass immigration of a polar opposite culture? can’t launch nuclear missiles so do that and watch them implode. whilst at the same time promoting a woke culture where everyone is so terrified of being called racist if they object they clap along and welcome them open arms. It’s a brilliant plan and it’s working. Meanwhile how many immigrants are trying to get into Russian and China? 

Where do Qatar fit into that? 

Who are you suggesting planned this in the 50's as you said yesterday?

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm surprised the unspecified "elites" haven't had a mention yet. 

Regardless, I'm scratching my head as to why Qatar could possibly want to see Europe destabilised by a flood of Muslim migrants. Mossad / CIA orchestrating the recent Ceuta nonsense to aggravate the Spanish momentarily I can just about get, but the notion that Qatar is somehow, and for reasons unknown, trying to destabilise Europe as a whole is mental. 

It's so odd, and also very disjointed, but then I guess it's being argued by people that don't understand the asylum process and results, and also don't really understand the argument they're being fed.

[Farmer Saint]

See for me, if I was a lizard person or whoever is doing this, I would be funding wars in all the countries in Africa that have high Muslim populations, as that would mean they'd be allowed to STAY in Europe. If I were Russia I'd just invade Afghanistan again and then allow masses to leave and claim asylum in European countries.

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

No, I'm saying they're economic migrants. Only Sudan out of the countries mentioned earlier has an ongoing war.

So they’re not desperate to flee war torn countries for their own safety and here for the coin, or as BP said they know Western Europe is an easy ride, seems we agree 👍

[bpsaint]

25 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

What votes?

Unauthorised small-boat arrivals are excluded from voting as they cannot become UK citizens.

When they throw their passports overboard and claim to be fleeing persecution as they’re gay they’ll soon be given asylum to the uk, live on state handouts at our expense, and vote for the party that gave it to them. 

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So they’re not desperate to flee war torn countries for their own safety and here for the coin, or as BP said they know Western Europe is an easy ride, seems we agree 👍

Read my posta back today, I've said that.

Most get sent back though as they are economic migrants, so it's nothing to do with Europe being an easy ride. It's about it being their only access to first world countries, due to geography.

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To BP.

 

Have you ever met an asylum seeker? When you do, ask them if they'd have stayed if their country was safe and they could have a reasonable life there. Every one would, and does, truthfully answer yes. 

Where I'm with you and Turkish is the whole moving to a safe place, then to here. Asylum is about safety and security, not a place of choice. 

Edited 11 hours ago by egg

[Holmes_and_Watson]

14 hours ago, egg said:

Oh I see. A plan in the 50's to overrun Europe with Muslims 70 years later. Hmm. 

Sounds a bit MLT. 

I've an acquaintance who has invariably talked about this for the 10 plus years I've known them.

The "them" behind it, seems a bit blurred, and running in parallel with the impact of change. So, there's a never ending source of "You see?! That's islamification of the west!"

So, some sort of Europe (seems to be France & Germany) aligned more, or on some issues, with islamic countries. I've never been sure on what exactly.

So, one strand is a look at, and be against Islam, and other systems, in those countries.

The influx, often promoted by countries to bring in cheap labour, gives a lot of other strands. From lack of cultural integration by bringing in large groups over short timescales, through people from various countries living in the same areas, to value systems that wouldn't change even if there was integration.

As generations of immigrants live and have families here, that's another takeover strand, as numbers of people supposedly islamic or sympathetic to it are born and raised here.

Another big strand is the self inflicted capture one. Councils, social services and law enforcement ideologically captured to ignore crimes and prejudices from islamic groups.

That's what I get told. And, in the interests of balance, this person was right about German authorities hiding details of attacks and well ahead of the cultural background of rape gangs. Right across the UK. Victims have been failed across a whole range of other backgrounds too, of course.

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

Where do Qatar fit into that? 

Who are you suggesting planned this in the 50's as you said yesterday?

I can’t really be arsed to get into a lengthy discussion about it as all that always happens on here is you then get multiple people wading into the discussion, making separate points ripping your view apart whilst not offering a view of their own or knob heads just posting laughing emojis and saying stupid things. I’m also not sure why you’re going on about Qatar as I never mentioned it.

My opinion is that the mass of immigration into Western Europe is by design and something that was created decades ago. There are powers above national governments there are also a lot of countries who would happily see Western Europe and the US fall apart. 

[egg]

7 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I've an acquaintance who has invariably talked about this for the 10 plus years I've known them.

The "them" behind it, seems a bit blurred, and running in parallel with the impact of change. So, there's a never ending source of "You see?! That's islamification of the west!"

So, some sort of Europe (seems to be France & Germany) aligned more, or on some issues, with islamic countries. I've never been sure on what exactly.

So, one strand is a look at, and be against Islam, and other systems, in those countries.

The influx, often promoted by countries to bring in cheap labour, gives a lot of other strands. From lack of cultural integration by bringing in large groups over short timescales, through people from various countries living in the same areas, to value systems that wouldn't change even if there was integration.

As generations of immigrants live and have families here, that's another takeover strand, as numbers of people supposedly islamic or sympathetic to it are born and raised here.

Another big strand is the self inflicted capture one. Councils, social services and law enforcement ideologically captured to ignore crimes and prejudices from islamic groups.

That's what I get told. And, in the interests of balance, this person was right about German authorities hiding details of attacks and well ahead of the cultural background of rape gangs. Right across the UK. Victims have been failed across a whole range of other backgrounds too, of course.

The penultimate paragraph is particularly interesting, and carefully worded. Does your acquaintance frame it on that way, or more of a lean towards indoctrination/policies of those authorities?

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Just now, Turkish said:

I can’t really be arsed to get into a lengthy discussion about it as all that always happens on here is you then get multiple people wading into the discussion, making separate points ripping your view apart whilst not offering a view of their own or knob heads just posting laughing emojis and saying stupid things. I’m also not sure why you’re going on about Qatar as I never mentioned it.

My opinion is that the mass of immigration into Western Europe is by design and something that was created decades ago. There are powers above national governments there are also a lot of countries who would happily see Western Europe and the US fall apart. 

Thanks.

I don't subscribe to this powers above government/elite stuff. Nobody can point to who they mean. I think that Israel influence is much wider than people can imagine, and their wish for power goes beyond the middle east, and that people find it easier to point to unspecifieds than say Israel. 

Qatar was BP's point. I thought you were aligned with him, but if you're not on that point, understood. 

[whelk]

41 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm surprised the unspecified "elites" haven't had a mention yet. 

Regardless, I'm scratching my head as to why Qatar could possibly want to see Europe destabilised by a flood of Muslim migrants. Mossad / CIA orchestrating the recent Ceuta nonsense to aggravate the Spanish momentarily I can just about get, but the notion that Qatar is somehow, and for reasons unknown, trying to destabilise Europe as a whole is mental. 

You got to think all things point towards Bill Gates being involved

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

You got to think all things point towards Bill Gates being involved

I watched something recently on this, and it is far easier for people to blame issues and focus on something that is effectively solvable, than to admit that they don't understand or can't solve an issue. It's why so many uneducated/poorly educated people tend to lap up these conspiracy theories, because otherwise it's completely out of their control and that's a scary world to be in.

Edited 10 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I watched something recently on this, and it is far easier for people to blame issues and focus on something that is effectively solvable, than to admit that they don't understand or can't solve an issue. It's why so many uneducated/poorly educated people tend to lap up these conspiracy theories, because otherwise it's completely out of their control and that's a scary world to be in.

Oh yes, conspiracy theorists are never well read. You could say broadly thick as fuck and want to believe something simple that also validates their lack of intellect. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

Oh yes, conspiracy theorists are never well read. You could say broadly thick as fuck and want to believe something simple that also validates their lack of intellect. 

I also think a lot of them do it nowadays because it makes them more interesting. On social media there is nothing worse than a boring, thick fucker, so they post this stuff up to ensure they are engaged with, and then when you ask them slightly complex questions they go into the "I'm not going to get into this with you now..." tactic of fobbing off a conversation without it looking like they can't answer the questions.

[whelk]

19 minutes ago, egg said:

Thanks.

I don't subscribe to this powers above government/elite stuff. Nobody can point to who they mean. I think that Israel influence is much wider than people can imagine, and their wish for power goes beyond the middle east, and that people find it easier to point to unspecifieds than say Israel. 

Qatar was BP's point. I thought you were aligned with him, but if you're not on that point, understood. 

Israel or the Jews?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

The penultimate paragraph is particularly interesting, and carefully worded. Does your acquaintance frame it on that way, or more of a lean towards indoctrination/policies of those authorities?

Good question. The views often come along with current events. So, there will be a mix.

There will be a lot running in parallel again.

Examples provided:-

Councils run by people from non Christian religions. This will result in their cultural values taking precedent. They will hire like minded individuals, from similar cultural backgrounds, and family. This will shape priorities and policy.

Not much different to any other group really. But note the general election, where different cultural backgrounds and alignment to different countries now has an impact. That voting trend then impacts the policies of other parties.

So, that's a mix of immigration giving numbers, then self interest and indoctrination.

The education one often has similarities with social services. A lot of useful idiots present, happy to embrace any bandwagon going, without realising the implications. See student LGBTQ+ groups for Islam banners.

This one is delivered as wokeness at the ground level. But the indoctrination of the educational establishment is a lot deeper. As my acquaintance is on the right, this crosses over into left wing capture too.

Social services turning a blind eye to anything that could possibly be seen as having a racial characteristics, is a cross between all those indoctrinated students getting soft skill jobs, aided by policies from higher up, created by other like minded folk.

Law enforcement seems to be a bit more sinister. A combination of "woke" ideology, but with a view to not drawing attention to cultural backgrounds. Things enforced from the top. Which somewhere would have political links, although it gets a lot less clear there.

You can see how there's no shortage of things to be discussed. Usually in a tide of pent up frustration.

[Turkish]

 

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

Israel or the Jews?

Same thing aren’t they? 😉

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, bpsaint said:

Zia Yusuf however speaks a lot of sense.

"Ben Wallace is a traitor".

[Weston Super Saint]

5 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's very simple the reason that Europe has so many working age men coming over. It's not because they're Muslim.

I'll give you 3 guesses as to why. The countries they have come from should give you a clue, as should the table below:

And here is another table:

Can you make the link?

And yet we continue to accept "asylum" claims from the people who are clearly illegal economic migrants.

[egg]

40 minutes ago, whelk said:

Israel or the Jews?

The Israeli state. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

 

What has Poland done to reduce the number of migrants BTW? Considering it's not really on the geographic route for Muslim's, I'm unsure what your point is?

From the stories I've heard and video snippets I've seen from Polish people I know, their border police are particularly ruthless! There is no survival blanket, cup of tea and plate of biscuits on offer and those that manage to get over some pretty large fences are then escorted back to the top of the fence and unceremoniously dumped over it. Meanwhile, the land borders are patrolled by equally ruthless police and potentially some vigilantes who aren't very pleasant when they find people crossing illegally.  I guess they've made the country not very inviting so have seriously limited the number wanting to go there.

They have, though, taken a very large number of genuine Ukranian refugees.

[Farmer Saint]

34 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

And yet we continue to accept "asylum" claims from the people who are clearly illegal economic migrants.

How many though, I guess that is the question, and yes we need to be better at weeding out those that are economic migrants.

[Farmer Saint]

38 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

From the stories I've heard and video snippets I've seen from Polish people I know, their border police are particularly ruthless! There is no survival blanket, cup of tea and plate of biscuits on offer and those that manage to get over some pretty large fences are then escorted back to the top of the fence and unceremoniously dumped over it. Meanwhile, the land borders are patrolled by equally ruthless police and potentially some vigilantes who aren't very pleasant when they find people crossing illegally.  I guess they've made the country not very inviting so have seriously limited the number wanting to go there.

They have, though, taken a very large number of genuine Ukranian refugees.

But where would their illegal immigrants come from? They've shut the border to Belarus, Ukraine is a huge border for them, and I'm not sure whether Africans can make it that way particularly easily. I would guess they get them from Syria and Iran, possibly, but why would they go to Poland rather than Germany?

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cqp9el2ml339t

There'll be celebrations up and down the UK now...

The downvotes say it all:

Edited 9 hours ago by Farmer Saint

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27 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cqp9el2ml339t

There'll be celebrations up and down the UK now...

The downvotes say it all:

FFS, the state of some people. 

[Farmer Saint]

38 minutes ago, egg said:

FFS, the state of some people. 

Unfortunately we see it on this site enough - British people are disgusting. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Farmer Saint
Changed for Ian

[iansums]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Unfortunately we see it on this site enough - the British people are disgusting as a race. 

I'd say that is a pretty disgusting comment in itself.

[iansums]

I don't agree that there is a 'plan' as such, but we are in danger of being overrun in some areas by a Muslim majority. We have seen this with sectarian voting in some recent elections. As an 'Islamaphobe', I find that very worrying.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, iansums said:

I'd say that is a pretty disgusting comment in itself.

Perhaps, I think "race" is the incorrect word anyway. I should have just left it.

[benjii]

I'm surprised that some people are surprised at the suggestion that Russia attempts to stoke migration into Europe, discord in the Islamic world and interference in Brexit.

All of the above is well documented and not really up for debate.

[iansums]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Perhaps, I think "race" is the incorrect word anyway. I should have just left it.

I was just about to edit my post to say just that, you beat me to it 😃

[iansums]

26 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Unfortunately we see it on this site enough - some British people can be disgusting. 

Corrected it further for you.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, benjii said:

I'm surprised that some people are surprised at the suggestion that Russia attempts to stoke migration into Europe, discord in the Islamic world and interference in Brexit.

All of the above is well documented and not really up for debate.

I'm just not convinced they are funding ever single person coming from Africa. How does that even work? And why wouldn't they just invest in and create wars so that we HAVE to take them instead as they actually qualify as refugees? All seems too far fetched for me.

[pingpong]

7 minutes ago, iansums said:

I don't agree that there is a 'plan' as such, but we are in danger of being overrun in some areas by a Muslim majority. We have seen this with sectarian voting in some recent elections. As an 'Islamaphobe', I find that very worrying.

Overrun? Lol.  Not in soton at least, I think I've maybe met 3 Muslims in my working life, all of whom were stand up British citizens. Vast majority of people you meet are secular or Christian, and even the Christians are generally ok once you get to know them.

Edited 8 hours ago by pingpong

[Holmes_and_Watson]

33 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Unfortunately we see it on this site enough - British people are disgusting. 

Do you really think we have people here pleased 3 people are dead, and a fourth in a critical condition? I'd hope not. Bit grim if that's the case.

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm just not convinced they are funding ever single person coming from Africa. How does that even work? And why wouldn't they just invest in and create wars so that we HAVE to take them instead as they actually qualify as refugees? All seems too far fetched for me.

Well, they did invade Ukraine resulting in countries taking a lot of refugees. So, technically that counts.