Israel

[whelk]

14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not being funny, I have consistently berated Netanyahu, his cronies and the IDF, and not once have I been accused of anti-Semitism on here, or in public.

In his head the forum is littered with far right Muslim hating nazis ie anyone who doesn’t share his view on anything

[aintforever]

7 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

When they industrialise mass murder, building dedicated extermination camps and organising railway schedules to prioritise the transportation of thousands in cattle cars, many of whom are gassed immediately on arrival at their new "labour camp". When they dig pits into which extermination squads shoot and dump thousands of victims, then they are approaching Nazism.

Try watching Schindler's List, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, or any of the other films covering the Holocaust. Read about Babyn Yar, or the other actions of the Einsatzgruppen. Whilst the IDF are committing terrible acts, and there seems to be a tolerance of them by the Israeli government, they are way short of Hitler and the Final Solution.

I’ve have read plenty about the holocaust thanks, probably more than you. I’m not for once suggesting that the Israeli government is as bad as the Nazis or what they are doing is anywhere near as bad as what happened during the holocaust. I just saw similarities with the ghettos in how they are starving children to death.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not being funny, I have consistently berated Netanyahu, his cronies and the IDF, and not once have I been accused of anti-Semitism on here, or in public.

 

2 hours ago, whelk said:

In his head the forum is littered with far right Muslim hating nazis ie anyone who doesn’t share his view on anything

That. And also SOG never being able to separate the Israeli government from Jewish people in his attacks, believing in a hierarchy of racism where he said it's only anti semitism when you mention the holocaust, saying that the hostages were safer with Hamas than with the IDF and trying to score points when civilians were killed on a safe route.

We also have a thread where his views went right past the extremes of Palestinian supporters in this country, past Palestinian activists and past Palestinian politicians who apologised for saying things SOG agreed with. 

That's just off the top of my head, and they aren't things I'm trying to remember. A "poor me" or a post completely ignoring points people have been saying to him for years, should have the context of his history here.

[east-stand-nic]

12 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

That. And also SOG never being able to separate the Israeli government from Jewish people in his attacks, believing in a hierarchy of racism where he said it's only anti semitism when you mention the holocaust, saying that the hostages were safer with Hamas than with the IDF and trying to score points when civilians were killed on a safe route.

We also have a thread where his views went right past the extremes of Palestinian supporters in this country, past Palestinian activists and past Palestinian politicians who apologised for saying things SOG agreed with. 

That's just off the top of my head, and they aren't things I'm trying to remember. A "poor me" or a post completely ignoring points people have been saying to him for years, should have the context of his history here.

I think his justification for beheadings was the best. It is quick and clean ... Better than being blown up by an Israeli bomb. 

[badgerx16]

47 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I’ve have read plenty about the holocaust thanks, probably more than you. I’m not for once suggesting that the Israeli government is as bad as the Nazis or what they are doing is anywhere near as bad as what happened during the holocaust. I just saw similarities with the ghettos in how they are starving children to death.

With regard to your last point, this is a Boer child detained by the British duting the second Boer War;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps#/media/File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg

Concentration camps in which civilians starved existed long before the Nazis.

Edited Sunday at 16:58 by badgerx16
removed image, only look if you are not easily upset

[badgerx16]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20n9yzxyyvo

"A cast member at the Royal Opera House unfurled a Palestinian flag on stage during a curtain call on Saturday night."

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20n9yzxyyvo

"A cast member at the Royal Opera House unfurled a Palestinian flag on stage during a curtain call on Saturday night."

I’d have more respect if they doused themselves in petrol and set themselves on fire. Show some commitment!

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

 

Concentration camps in which civilians starved existed long before the Nazis.

And they should be confined to history, what Israel is doing is just inhumane.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-malnutrition-children-blockade-israel-1.7524680

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, aintforever said:

And they should be confined to history, what Israel is doing is just inhumane.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-malnutrition-children-blockade-israel-1.7524680

1) But that does not make them Nazis.

2) And the bigger shame is that 'the west' is seemingly doing nothing to stop it.

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

1) But that does not make them Nazis.

2) And the bigger shame is that 'the west' is seemingly doing nothing to stop it.

I never said they were Nazis, just made a comparison - try reading.

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, aintforever said:

I never said they were Nazis, just made a comparison - try reading.

And I never said that you had. Take your own advice.

[Weston Super Saint]

12 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20n9yzxyyvo

"A cast member at the Royal Opera House unfurled a Palestinian flag on stage during a curtain call on Saturday night."

A cast member who, apparently, went to a £48,000 per year private school.

[Farmer Saint]

Asked Chat GPT to summarise the last few pages of this thread...

ChatGPT said:

Thought for 4 seconds

Here’s a summary of the attitudes toward the war expressed by posters on pages 99–105 of the thread, focusing on their tone and perspectives:

🧭 Page 105

Heavily critical of Israeli actions, specifically the Netanyahu government and IDF operations.

Debate over comparisons to the Holocaust: some warn the conflict isn’t equivalent to Nazi atrocities, while others draw parallels over ghetto-like conditions and starvation.

Accusations that critics of Israeli policy unjustly face charges of anti-Semitism, but posters argue criticism of the government shouldn’t be conflated with prejudice.

Strong condemnation: one poster even praised beheadings as being “quick and clean” compared to Israeli bombs—highlighting extremist sympathy toward militant methods. saintsweb.co.uk

🧭 Pages 104–99

Though I haven’t captured the full text for these pages, the tone across this stretch maintains consistency:

Predominantly hostile toward Israeli government and military actions—many posters express outrage over civilian casualties, especially among children.

Frequent analogies to genocide and ethnic cleansing, invoking historical atrocities like the Holocaust, Boer War camps, or Nazi ghettoes.

Division on rhetoric: some caution against language that risks being hyperbolic or anti-Semitic, while others argue that extreme comparisons are justified given the scale of suffering.

Polarization within the forum: some participants defend Israel’s right to self‑defence; others see the IDF’s tactics as war crimes.

Strong emotional responses: anger, despair, and moral condemnation repeatedly surface, especially in reaction to malnutrition, blockades, and mass civilian losses.

🔍 Overall Tone & Attitude

Highly critical of Israeli military policy.

Many view Gaza's humanitarian toll as unacceptable and label it inhumane or criminal.

Use of historical comparisons.

References to Holocaust-era ghettos, concentration camps, and ethnic cleansing are common, though some posters resist direct equivalence.

Polarized discourse.

Forums are rife with accusations of racism, extremist calls, and defensive counterpoints—reflecting deep division.

Emotional intensity.

The rhetoric is strong—ranging from moral outrage to extreme sympathy for militant tactics.

✅ Key Insights

Sympathy primarily lies with Palestinians, seen as victims of disproportionate force and collective punishment.

Criticism of Israel equated with moral duty by many posters, though a minority warn against inflammatory language.

Tension between legitimate critique and outright hostility, with accusations of anti-Semitism often countered by appeals to separate government policy from ethnicity or religion.

📌 In Summary

Across pages 99–105, forum participants overwhelmingly condemn Israeli military operations, often framing them as cruel or genocidal. While some caution against extremist comparisons or language, the dominant attitude is one of passionate condemnation and moral urgency. There’s little overt support for Israeli strategy, and the debate largely orbits around the severity of its methods.

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

one poster even praised beheadings as being “quick and clean” compared to Israeli bombs

I wonder who that was?

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, whelk said:

I wonder who that was?

I did read that and wince tbh.

[Farmer Saint]

'Suffering of civilians in Gaza has reached new depths': 26 nations call for immediate end to war in Gaza

We've just had a statement from the UK and more than 20 other countries calling for an immediate end to the war in Gaza.

Here's the statement from the UK Foreign Office in full:

We, the signatories listed below, come together with a simple, urgent message: the war in Gaza must end now. The suffering of civilians in Gaza has reached new depths.

The Israeli government’s aid delivery model is dangerous, fuels instability and deprives Gazans of human dignity.

We condemn the drip feeding of aid and the inhumane killing of civilians, including children, seeking to meet their most basic needs of water and food. It is horrifying that over 800 Palestinians have been killed while seeking aid.

The Israeli government’s denial of essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable. Israel must comply with its obligations under international humanitarian law. The hostages cruelly held captive by Hamas since 7 October 2023 continue to suffer terribly. We condemn their continued detention and call for their immediate and unconditional release.

A negotiated ceasefire offers the best hope of bringing them home and ending the agony of their families. We call on the Israeli government to immediately lift restrictions on the flow of aid and to urgently enable the UN and humanitarian NGOs [non-governmental organisations] to do their life-saving work safely and effectively. We call on all parties to protect civilians and uphold the obligations of international humanitarian law.

Proposals to remove the Palestinian population into a “humanitarian city” are completely unacceptable. Permanent forced displacement is a violation of international humanitarian law. We strongly oppose any steps towards territorial or demographic change in the occupied Palestinian territories.

The E1 settlement plan announced by Israel’s civil administration, if implemented, would divide a Palestinian state in two, marking a flagrant breach of international law and critically undermine the two-state solution.

Meanwhile, settlement building across the West Bank including east Jerusalem has accelerated while settler violence against Palestinians has soared. This must stop. We urge the parties and the international community to unite in a common effort to bring this terrible conflict to an end, through an immediate, unconditional and permanent ceasefire.

Further bloodshed serves no purpose. We reaffirm our complete support to the efforts of the US, Qatar and Egypt to achieve this. We are prepared to take further action to support an immediate ceasefire and a political pathway to security and peace for Israelis, Palestinians and the entire region.

This statement has been signed by: The foreign ministers of Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK. Plus the EU commissioner for equality, preparedness and crisis management."

 

 

Let's wait for Netanyahu to call them anti-Semitic. There needs to be an intervention, maybe military, to stop this. I don't support war, or unnecessary killings, but I would support the removal of the heads of the Israeli Government.

It really takes a lot to suffer the way the Israeli's did and still come out of this looking like cunts. Slow clap to all of those involved.

Edited Monday at 14:51 by Farmer Saint

[rallyboy]

The mission to rescue hostages seems to have been abandoned in favour of merciless revenge against civilians.

These daily war crimes being committed by the Israeli government - and that's just a fact, they meet every definition of war crimes, have nothing to do with self-defence, the mission the world originally supported.

When 28 countries of varied politics now demand that you stop killing kids, it may be time to accept that you have lost the moral high ground - and probably lost it forever.

The orphans who crawl out of the rubble today won't forget - Israel has created the next three generations of terrorist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sadoldgit]

7 hours ago, whelk said:

I wonder who that was?

I certainly didn’t “praise” the act of beheading, but don’t let that stop you making things up. I said that given a choice I would rather a quick and clean death than a long and painful one under rubble. We can discuss methods of killing people all day long, it doesn’t change the end result. People are being murdered daily. Most of the people killed starting on 0ctober 7th have not been beheaded. Many though will have been dismembered in explosions but that doesn’t seem to matter to those who just want to score points on a fucking internet forum.

[Turkish]

28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I certainly didn’t “praise” the act of beheading, but don’t let that stop you making things up. I said that given a choice I would rather a quick and clean death than a long and painful one under rubble. We can discuss methods of killing people all day long, it doesn’t change the end result. People are being murdered daily. Most of the people killed starting on 0ctober 7th have not been beheaded. Many though will have been dismembered in explosions but that doesn’t seem to matter to those who just want to score points on a fucking internet forum.

😂😂😂😂 coming from a bloke who has spent his retirement years trying to convince people he’s never met he really is a lovely bloke and all that on a fucking internet forum 😂😂

[Holmes_and_Watson]

8 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Strong condemnation: one poster even praised beheadings as being “quick and clean” compared to Israeli bombs—highlighting extremist sympathy toward militant methods. 🧭

SOG being singled out for his extreme comparisons, even by AI. 

23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

😂😂😂😂 coming from a bloke who has spent his retirement years trying to convince people he’s never met he really is a lovely bloke and all that on a fucking internet forum 😂😂

Now revised to...

23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

😂😂😂😂 coming from a bloke who has spent his retirement years failing to convince people and AIs he’s never met he really is a lovely bloke and all that on a fucking internet forum 😂😂

 

[sadoldgit]

This has always been a strange place but over time you get used to the hard of thinking, the deliberately obtuse, the WUMs and the trolls. Now it seems we have to have our posts analysed by AI as well. Oh well, such is progress I suppose. When you ask AI to analyse this thread, does it give you a “basic football forum” algorithm setting I wonder?

There are clearly some posters on this thread who do not have a problem with what the Israelis are doing in both Gaza and the West Bank. They may “wince” at a comment about one particular method of killing but you don’t see them wincing at news reports of innocent women and children being the target of snipers whilst queuing up for food and water, whilst being starved to death, whilst being blown apart by missiles and shells, by being buried under tons of rubble, by lying in hospital in agony through lack of meds waiting for a life saving operation that will never come.

It is the same old modus operandi. Don’t look at that, look at this. The standard deflection technique currently used to good effect by the likes of Trump and Farage. They can’t defend the indefensible so they try and focus attention on a faux outrage somewhere else.

What Hamas did on 7th October was clearly and undoubtably a stain on humanity. What Netanyahu’s war machine has been doing ever since, by virtue of its much larger scale, is an even bigger stain on humanity. I am not sure why anyone would say or think otherwise. To get yourself into a lather about a comment about how people die is to deliberately miss the point. The point is that they are dying. People were butchered on 7th October and people have been butchered in the region ever since. That is what you should get yourselves worked up about. It has nothing to do with what religion they are, they are human beings first and foremost.

If you want to wince about something, rather than a random comment on a football forum, wince about the soldier who trains his rifle sight onto a frail, starving and thirsty woman or child, queuing for food and water … and pulls the trigger.Wince at the lifeless bodies of children dragged out of a cafe hit by an IDF guided missile. Surely they are more worthy of your disdain than a dumb comment on a dumb forum? If not you have some serious issues.

 

[badgerx16]

The IDF has now declared war on the World Health Organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly80kzxx07o

Edited 21 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

On 13/07/2025 at 11:50, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rvxjnvv71o

 

Probably their own fault for wanting water. Pesky Palestinian's.

 

On 13/07/2025 at 12:06, Farmer Saint said:

Well, it will when they're all wiped out, or moved out, depending on which Israel is allowed to do.

 

On 19/07/2025 at 19:43, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3n04w19qlo

Just more genocide. It feels like getting food from Israeli run aid sites is a death sentence. Maybe that's the point, if they can scare enough people maybe they'll just do the decent thing and just let themselves and their kids starve to death.

The Israeli military and Government are fucking cunts.

 

On 20/07/2025 at 14:02, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not being funny, I have consistently berated Netanyahu, his cronies and the IDF, and not once have I been accused of anti-Semitism on here, or in public.

 

On 20/06/2025 at 15:45, Farmer Saint said:

I'm sure the US would take them. They're planning to do the same with the Palestinian's, but the Palestinian's really don't seem to be the issue in all this...

 

On 22/06/2025 at 14:45, Farmer Saint said:

A clever and evil man manipulates a stupid and evil man to bomb an evil regime.

I hope they all kill each other with minimal collateral damage, although we all know that won't happen.

 

On 19/06/2025 at 20:09, Farmer Saint said:

 

TBF, the ICC seem to think a lot of what has happened contravenes the Geneva Convention, so I would say they are "recklessly" not targeting hospitals.

Either way, along with Trump, I hope they are all not long for this mortal coil.

 

On 19/06/2025 at 21:48, Farmer Saint said:

True - not a defence for being utter cunts though and not caring about collateral damage. They're creating 2 million Hamas supporters in the strip though - hence why they want to take over and rid the strip of the remaining Palestinians. 

If I were surrounded by 5 houses that didn't want me as a neighbour, instead of setting fire to all 5 houses and plead innocence, I'd just move house.

@sadoldgitSo I am the only one that has mentioned wincing so I presume you are referring to me - have you actually read my posts about Israel? If not, here is a flavour.

[east-stand-nic]

He's finally lost it. No question. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

This has always been a strange place but over time you get used to the hard of thinking, the deliberately obtuse, the WUMs and the trolls. Now it seems we have to have our posts analysed by AI as well. Oh well, such is progress I suppose. When you ask AI to analyse this thread, does it give you a “basic football forum” algorithm setting I wonder?

There are clearly some posters on this thread who do not have a problem with what the Israelis are doing in both Gaza and the West Bank. They may “wince” at a comment about one particular method of killing but you don’t see them wincing at news reports of innocent women and children being the target of snipers whilst queuing up for food and water, whilst being starved to death, whilst being blown apart by missiles and shells, by being buried under tons of rubble, by lying in hospital in agony through lack of meds waiting for a life saving operation that will never come.

It is the same old modus operandi. Don’t look at that, look at this. The standard deflection technique currently used to good effect by the likes of Trump and Farage. They can’t defend the indefensible so they try and focus attention on a faux outrage somewhere else.

What Hamas did on 7th October was clearly and undoubtably a stain on humanity. What Netanyahu’s war machine has been doing ever since, by virtue of its much larger scale, is an even bigger stain on humanity. I am not sure why anyone would say or think otherwise. To get yourself into a lather about a comment about how people die is to deliberately miss the point. The point is that they are dying. People were butchered on 7th October and people have been butchered in the region ever since. That is what you should get yourselves worked up about. It has nothing to do with what religion they are, they are human beings first and foremost.

If you want to wince about something, rather than a random comment on a football forum, wince about the soldier who trains his rifle sight onto a frail, starving and thirsty woman or child, queuing for food and water … and pulls the trigger.Wince at the lifeless bodies of children dragged out of a cafe hit by an IDF guided missile. Surely they are more worthy of your disdain than a dumb comment on a dumb forum? If not you have some serious issues.

 

I actually think you have psychopathic tendencies given the fact that you cannot distinguish between Hamas launching a rocket at a festival and them torturing, raping, filming and laughing about it whilst watching teenagers beg for their life. All about cause and no natural empathy. 

[whelk]

11 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I certainly didn’t “praise” the act of beheading

ChatGPT thinks differently 

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

This has always been a strange place but over time you get used to the hard of thinking, the deliberately obtuse, the WUMs and the trolls. Now it seems we have to have our posts analysed by AI as well. Oh well, such is progress I suppose. When you ask AI to analyse this thread, does it give you a “basic football forum” algorithm setting I wonder?

There are clearly some posters on this thread who do not have a problem with what the Israelis are doing in both Gaza and the West Bank. They may “wince” at a comment about one particular method of killing but you don’t see them wincing at news reports of innocent women and children being the target of snipers whilst queuing up for food and water, whilst being starved to death, whilst being blown apart by missiles and shells, by being buried under tons of rubble, by lying in hospital in agony through lack of meds waiting for a life saving operation that will never come.

It is the same old modus operandi. Don’t look at that, look at this. The standard deflection technique currently used to good effect by the likes of Trump and Farage. They can’t defend the indefensible so they try and focus attention on a faux outrage somewhere else.

What Hamas did on 7th October was clearly and undoubtably a stain on humanity. What Netanyahu’s war machine has been doing ever since, by virtue of its much larger scale, is an even bigger stain on humanity. I am not sure why anyone would say or think otherwise. To get yourself into a lather about a comment about how people die is to deliberately miss the point. The point is that they are dying. People were butchered on 7th October and people have been butchered in the region ever since. That is what you should get yourselves worked up about. It has nothing to do with what religion they are, they are human beings first and foremost.

If you want to wince about something, rather than a random comment on a football forum, wince about the soldier who trains his rifle sight onto a frail, starving and thirsty woman or child, queuing for food and water … and pulls the trigger.Wince at the lifeless bodies of children dragged out of a cafe hit by an IDF guided missile. Surely they are more worthy of your disdain than a dumb comment on a dumb forum? If not you have some serious issues.

 

Do you  wince everytime you read back one of your posts?

 

[tdmickey3]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

He's finally lost it. No question. 

Irony

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, whelk said:

I actually think you have psychopathic tendencies given the fact that you cannot distinguish between Hamas launching a rocket at a festival and them torturing, raping, filming and laughing about it whilst watching teenagers beg for their life. All about cause and no natural empathy. 

Definitely some serious issues going on. Some nasty character traits which he tries very hard to mask. 
 

I saw through it all years ago, no one tries so hard to try and convince people they’re such a nice bloke whist at the same time launching into tirades when people have a different view point to them. His little attempts to call out racism on a Southampton football forum is beyond parody now. 
 

most people now see through it too, lovely old SOG the chutney making, nice guy is no such thing

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Definitely some serious issues going on. Some nasty character traits which he tries very hard to mask. 
 

I saw through it all years ago, no one tries so hard to try and convince people they’re such a nice bloke whist at the same time launching into tirades when people have a different view point to them. His little attempts to call out racism on a Southampton football forum is beyond parody now. 
 

most people now see through it too, lovely old SOG the chutney making, nice guy is no such thing

Beheading just high jinks gone a bit too far. Compassionate though as very quick. Indeed if I had to choose a quick death for my loved ones; at the hands of Hamas savages would probably be top. Maybe they could send me the video so I could watch back to give me comfort 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Beheading just high jinks gone a bit too far. Compassionate though as very quick. Indeed if I had to choose a quick death for my loved ones; at the hands of Hamas savages would probably be top. Maybe they could send me the video so I could watch back to give me comfort 

It's those caring touches that will be why SOG said the hostages were safer with Hamas.

[inspectorfrost]

On 20/07/2025 at 09:39, badgerx16 said:

When they industrialise mass murder, building dedicated extermination camps and organising railway schedules to prioritise the transportation of thousands in cattle cars, many of whom are gassed immediately on arrival at their new "labour camp". When they dig pits into which extermination squads shoot and dump thousands of victims, then they are approaching Nazism.

Try watching Schindler's List, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, or any of the other films covering the Holocaust. Read about Babyn Yar, or the other actions of the Einsatzgruppen. Whilst the IDF are committing terrible acts, and there seems to be a tolerance of them by the Israeli government, they are way short of Hitler and the Final Solution.

According to Israel's ex PM, we're closer than you might think

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25311007.israel-planning-concentration-camp-says-former-prime-minister/

 

Edited 8 hours ago by inspectorfrost

[inspectorfrost]

A good summarisation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp863mln0pmo