Israel

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31 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Give it a rest you anti semitic twat…

Is it anti semitic to speculate about 7/10?

The notion that Israel staged it is nonsense (there were Israeli hostages being held by Hamas, for example) but there's a case to answer re them having been able to stop it, and adding VAT to what Hamas did. 

I say give any Israeli state support a rest. They've been an utter disgrace, and still are on a daily basis in Gaza and Lebanon.  

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31 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Give it a rest you anti semitic twat…

Is it anti semitic to speculate about 7/10?

The notion that Israel staged it is nonsense (there were Israeli hostages being held by Hamas, for example) but there's a case to answer re them having been able to stop it, and adding VAT to what Hamas did. 

I say give any Israeli state support a rest. They've been an utter disgrace, and still are on a daily basis in Gaza and Lebanon.  

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Give it a rest you anti semitic twat…

I yawn at Soggy’s meme posts but I agree with Egg that Mad Ben and Ben Givr are no better than Hamas, Hezbollah or the IRGC.

All as bad as each other. Israel is not a friend of the UK’s, nor is Iran, nor is Trump, nor is Putin.

Let’s get real. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

51 minutes ago, egg said:

Is it anti semitic to speculate about 7/10?

No.i didn’t say it was.  He’s an anti semite speculating on 7/10, which is a different thing.
 

Not that there’s much speculating, it’s just a load of old pony. You’d have to be a half wit to believe it was some sort of false flag operation, and you’d have to be narcissistic plank to post it. 

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

No.i didn’t say it was.  He’s an anti semite speculating on 7/10, which is a different thing.
 

Not that there’s much speculating, it’s just a load of old pony. You’d have to be a half wit to believe it was some sort of false flag operation, and you’d have to be narcissistic plank to post it. 

I'm not sure what you'd have to be to be unwilling to see that Israel added all sorts of vat to the truth about 7/10, used it as a reason to decimate Gaza, and have acted disgracefully there and in Lebanon since. 

[whelk]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I got a lot of flak ant the time about suggesting that Netanyahu’s regime deliberately allowed the 7th October attack to go ahead to use it as an excuse to unleash hell on Gaza. 
Given what has happened since it seems even more likely.

You are such a cunt

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I got a lot of flak ant the time about suggesting that Netanyahu’s regime deliberately allowed the 7th October attack to go ahead to use it as an excuse to unleash hell on Gaza. 
Given what has happened since it seems even more likely.

Are you prepared to list the source of this document / where this information has come from so readers can draw their own conclusions regarding its validity?

Thought not...

[Lord Duckhunter]

40 minutes ago, egg said:

used it as a reason to decimate Gaza, and have acted disgracefully there and in Lebanon since. 

That’s not what was said, the claim was Isreal let their civilians be killed, raped and god knows what else, to enable it to decimate Gaza. What has happened to Gaza is a consequence of Hamas’ actions that day, nothing to do with the Israelis allowing it or prompting it. Anyone who thinks this, and therefore posts it, is warped and sick in the mind. Blinded by Jew hatred . 

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Are you prepared to list the source of this document / where this information has come from so readers can draw their own conclusions regarding its validity?

Thought not...

It popped up on his FaceBook feed. 

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33 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That’s not what was said, the claim was Isreal let their civilians be killed, raped and god knows what else, to enable it to decimate Gaza. What has happened to Gaza is a consequence of Hamas’ actions that day, nothing to do with the Israelis allowing it or prompting it. Anyone who thinks this, and therefore posts it, is warped and sick in the mind. Blinded by Jew hatred . 

Absolute bollox. They had an opportunity and took it. Ditto Southern Lebanon. Iran was little more than an opportunity courtesy of Donny. 

 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Are you prepared to list the source of this document / where this information has come from so readers can draw their own conclusions regarding its validity?

Thought not...

Feminist News is his go to source these days I believe 

[Weston Super Saint]

22 minutes ago, egg said:

Absolute bollox. They had an opportunity and took it. Ditto Southern Lebanon. Iran was little more than an opportunity courtesy of Donny. 

 

Don't think anyone's denying that.

But did they "mastermind" that opportunity themselves as Soggy's Facebook post is stating? I suspect not, but happy to look at any actual evidence.

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Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

Don't think anyone's denying that.

But did they "mastermind" that opportunity themselves as Soggy's Facebook post is stating? I suspect not, but happy to look at any actual evidence.

Duck appeared to..."What has happened to Gaza is a consequence of Hamas’ actions that day" re 7/10. 

SoG may have got a season ticket for the conspiracy theory train, but I've got less time for the people, Duck included, who've not uttered one word of condemnation for the Israeli regime. 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

45 minutes ago, egg said:

Duck appeared to..."What has happened to Gaza is a consequence of Hamas’ actions that day" re 7/10. 

Absolutely, had 7/10 not happened Gaza wouldn’t be in the mess it is now. The Israelis dismantled the Jewish settlements in 2005, and withdrew their troops. There was no major military action from then until 7/10. 

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14 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Absolutely, had 7/10 not happened Gaza wouldn’t be in the mess it is now. The Israelis dismantled the Jewish settlements in 2005, and withdrew their troops. There was no major military action from then until 7/10. 

If there was a propitiationate response, Gaza wouldn't be in the mess it's in now. 

Any condemnation for Israeli actions in Gaza, Lebanon or Iran? 

[whelk]

4 hours ago, egg said:

Absolute bollox. They had an opportunity and took it. Ditto Southern Lebanon. Iran was little more than an opportunity courtesy of Donny. 

 

Sounds like you’d be first on the bus to the Palestine Action march through Golders Green

Edited 16 hours ago by whelk

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Absolutely, had 7/10 not happened Gaza wouldn’t be in the mess it is now. The Israelis dismantled the Jewish settlements in 2005, and withdrew their troops. There was no major military action from then until 7/10. 

Just the 1400 Palestinians killed during Operation Cast Lead in 2008/09. Obviously not even worth mentioning 🙄

[Gloucester Saint]

15 minutes ago, whelk said:

Sounds like you’d be first on the bus to the Palestine Action march through Golders Green

Or he doesn’t feel the need to take an obvious side. 

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49 minutes ago, whelk said:

Sounds like you’d be first on the bus to the Palestine Action march through Golders Green

You're better than nonsense like that. 

[aintforever]

5 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That’s not what was said, the claim was Isreal let their civilians be killed, raped and god knows what else, to enable it to decimate Gaza. What has happened to Gaza is a consequence of Hamas’ actions that day, nothing to do with the Israelis allowing it or prompting it. Anyone who thinks this, and therefore posts it, is warped and sick in the mind. Blinded by Jew hatred . 

What a load of bollocks. I don’t believe it was a false flag but the idea that someone who does has to be a racist is just nonsense. Some people just believe weird shit like that.

Would the Israeli government allow it to happen for their own agenda? I doubt it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if agents working for them did.

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34 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Or he doesn’t feel the need to take an obvious side. 

There's bad on all sides of this situation, but I find it unbelievable that people can't see the Israeli regime for what it is, and that apparently sensible people like whelk come out with childish nonsense like that above. 

[aintforever]

6 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Are you prepared to list the source of this document / where this information has come from so readers can draw their own conclusions regarding its validity?

Thought not...

As with most conspiracy theories there is probably a grain of truth in each of the points but none of them prove it was a false flag or that they knew it was going to happen.

For Example there was reports that Egypt warned them that something big was being planned, but we don’t know how many warnings they receive daily that never amount to anything. They might have ignored it for a number of reasons. And the last point might be true but it’s just an example of propaganda which happens all the time in wars so is just meaningless.

[inspectorfrost]

15 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That’s not what was said, the claim was Isreal let their civilians be killed, raped and god knows what else, to enable it to decimate Gaza. What has happened to Gaza is a consequence of Hamas’ actions that day, nothing to do with the Israelis allowing it or prompting it. Anyone who thinks this, and therefore posts it, is warped and sick in the mind. Blinded by Jew hatred . 

Does that include the IDF soldiers that repeatedly warned their superiors for months in advance of the attack and were ignored, some of whom were then killed in the attack?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67958260

It's well documented that the October attacks (amongst plenty of other things) were a monumental failure intelligence failure on the part of the IDF.

 

[inspectorfrost]

Even nuns aren't safe in Jerusalem now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy02gnzlvkko

[whelk]

17 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I yawn at Soggy’s meme posts but I agree with Egg that Mad Ben and Ben Givr are no better than Hamas, Hezbollah or the IRGC.

All as bad as each other. Israel is not a friend of the UK’s, nor is Iran, nor is Trump, nor is Putin.

Let’s get real. 

Come on - you seriously think Iran is no worse than democratic countries? I loathe Trump and Netanyahu is clearly a nasty piece of work and hopefully voted out soon, but I would love to think what most Iranians would think of your thoughts that IRGC are the same. You’re a smart bloke and will be aware of their brutal and torturous and murderous approach to their civilians whose only crime is to wear their hair differently to how these medieval psychos think it should. 
Have you ever been to Israel?

[whelk]

11 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Or he doesn’t feel the need to take an obvious side. 

Think Egg nailed his colours to his mast a long time ago

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45 minutes ago, whelk said:

Come on - you seriously think Iran is no worse than democratic countries? I loathe Trump and Netanyahu is clearly a nasty piece of work and hopefully voted out soon, but I would love to think what most Iranians would think of your thoughts that IRGC are the same. You’re a smart bloke and will be aware of their brutal and torturous and murderous approach to their civilians whose only crime is to wear their hair differently to how these medieval psychos think it should. 
Have you ever been to Israel?

Within their borders, Iran are a disgrace. Outside of their borders, Israel more so. 

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47 minutes ago, whelk said:

Think Egg nailed his colours to his mast a long time ago

In a thread about Israel, oddly enough, I've focused on the behaviour of Israel. That doesn't include how I feel about the domestic policies and actions of Iran, how I feel about their scatter gun attacks across the Gulf, their daft hold over the Strait, etc. 

It's possible to criticise the many actors in that region, plus the US, but yep, I'm in little doubt that the hub of the issue is the behaviour of the Israeli regime and it's ideology. 

[Lighthouse]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Within their borders, Iran are a disgrace. Outside of their borders, Israel more so. 

I’m not sure Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Ukraine would agree with you on that.

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Just now, Lighthouse said:

I’m not sure Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Ukraine would agree with you on that.

Sure... Lebanon, west bank, Syria, Gaza, etc. The death count, and ruined lives, across those areas courtesy of Israel is immense and unmatched...very odd imo that some choose not to acknowledge that and look for false equivalence. 

[Lighthouse]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

Sure... Lebanon, west bank, Syria, Gaza, etc. The death count, and ruined lives, across those areas courtesy of Israel is immense and unmatched...very odd imo that some choose not to acknowledge that and look for false equivalence. 

When did I refuse to acknowledge it? The equivalence is not false, you’re confusing Iran having sh*tter weapons with them being better behaved.

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1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

When did I refuse to acknowledge it? The equivalence is not false, you’re confusing Iran having sh*tter weapons with them being better behaved.

Iran didn't directly attack it's neighbours pre this war. Compare that to Israel.

I've acknowledged above that their attacks on its neighbours since then are unacceptable. If it weren't for Israel lending UAE am iron dome plus men to operate it, they'd be obliterated. UAE's only "crime" was normalising relations with Israel, and they and their people shouldn't have had to live through what they have. Alas, the people of Gaza and Lebanon haven't had similar protection. 

If you've acknowledged the poor behaviour of the Israeli regime, I've missed that...

[hypochondriac]

The absolute staggering irony of fanaticists accusing others of false equivalence...

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35 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The absolute staggering irony of fanaticists accusing others of false equivalence...

Up he pipes...any condemnation from you for the Israeli regime behaviour, or still no interest in the loss of Muslim life mate? 

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, inspectorfrost said:

Even nuns aren't safe in Jerusalem now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy02gnzlvkko

185 reported religiously motivated attacks by Jewish people on Christians in Israel last year.

Edited 1 hour ago by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

will be aware of their brutal and torturous and murderous approach to their civilians whose only crime is to wear their hair differently to how these medieval psychos think it should. 
Have you ever been to Israel?

Used to be true and may be again once Netanyahu and Ben Givr are removed but until they are, this type of incident is common place https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz67qjn48eqo

Edited 1 hour ago by Gloucester Saint

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, inspectorfrost said:

It's well documented that the October attacks (amongst plenty of other things) were a monumental failure intelligence failure on the part of the IDF.

Absolutely it was, but that isn’t what is being alleged. The usual suspect was posting pony claiming the Israeli government let it happen so they could attack Gaza. I was in Israel at the time and the feeling was Netanyahu and the people charged with defending the state had taken their eye off the ball and were too complacent. Anybody who thinks the Israeli government, the IDF or Mossad would deliberately allow this, doesn’t understand the Israeli people or their psyche. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Lord Duckhunter

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, inspectorfrost said:

Does that include the IDF soldiers that repeatedly warned their superiors for months in advance of the attack and were ignored, some of whom were then killed in the attack?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67958260

It's well documented that the October attacks (amongst plenty of other things) were a monumental failure intelligence failure on the part of the IDF.

 

Netanywhu and Ben-Gvir were looking for an excuse to blitz Gaza and push for the annexation of the West Bank, and HAMAS handed it to them- although the exact date might not have been known they knew full well something was imminent.  What happened on October 7th was appalling, but the Israeli response has been hugely disproportionate.