Russell Brand

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1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

This is the thing though egg, I get addiction although I don’t have an addictive personality myself thankfully. I know people addicted to smoking, drinking and gambling. What I don’t get is Brand’s particular brand of sex addiction which only seems to extend to exceptionally attractive women and excludes normal looking women or what Duckie would class as 9 pinters. Surely if you were addicted to sex you would take it where you would get it? His sex addiction seems to be more about feeding his own ego rather than just getting off, which he can do with porn or anybody but only seems to target a certain type of look to scratch his itch.

I can't comment SoG as I'm not a sex addict and wouldn't want to join in the speculation. All I know is that he admits to having been very promiscuous and predatory, so I can't see that there's anything salacious in stories about him having lots of sex and pursuing women for consensual sex. Sure, his approach looks wrong when assessed through 'normal' eyes, but in the same way that a gambler doesn't bet normally, and an alcoholic doesn't drink normally, a sex addict won't have a normal relationship with sex. 

Addiction though can't possibly excuse the alleged stuff with that kid though, and the other serious allegations which he denies. Those allegations need to play out in the correct way, not via the media/social media/etc. 

[OldNick]

We are his accomplishes, our idiot society allowed him to get into the position so that he could take advantage of his fame, so that women could be picked out of audiences to satisfy his lust. He would not be the first, I doubt there are many pop stars or celebs who haven't done the same. 

We (not me) found him hilarious that he was given shows, we are as guilty as he is because we still promote absolute bell ends, due to shows like Big Brother, Love Island etc etc etc who get their moment of fame and the top brass at tv companies don't act

 

[buctootim]

2 hours ago, OldNick said:

We are his accomplishes, our idiot society allowed him to get into the position so that he could take advantage of his fame, so that women could be picked out of audiences to satisfy his lust. He would not be the first, I doubt there are many pop stars or celebs who haven't done the same. 

We (not me) found him hilarious that he was given shows, we are as guilty as he is because we still promote absolute bell ends, due to shows like Big Brother, Love Island etc etc etc who get their moment of fame and the top brass at tv companies don't act

 

Can honestly say I never liked him. Gave me that unwashed heroin junkie vibe from the outset. 

[sadoldgit]

8 hours ago, egg said:

I can't comment SoG as I'm not a sex addict and wouldn't want to join in the speculation. All I know is that he admits to having been very promiscuous and predatory, so I can't see that there's anything salacious in stories about him having lots of sex and pursuing women for consensual sex. Sure, his approach looks wrong when assessed through 'normal' eyes, but in the same way that a gambler doesn't bet normally, and an alcoholic doesn't drink normally, a sex addict won't have a normal relationship with sex. 

Addiction though can't possibly excuse the alleged stuff with that kid though, and the other serious allegations which he denies. Those allegations need to play out in the correct way, not via the media/social media/etc. 

That’s the thing though egg, these types of allegations play out through social media all of the time. There were Phillip Schofield stories flying about on social media long before the news broke in the main stream.

There is a social media site, not Mumsnet, mainly populated by women that carries loads of stories about celebs, politicians, sports stars, influencers etc daily. The current threads about Brand would make your toes curl. How much of it is true I have no idea but there are people there claiming to have sex with him or friends of people who have had sex with him washing their dirty linen in public.

There was a lot of rumours about Dan Wooten behaviour on there months before the news broke in the mainstream. Some of this stuff goes back years. I’m amazed that the place hasn’t been sued out of existence given some of the stuff they publish from people.

As for not being a sex addict, no me neither, which is just as well as I wouldn’t be able to do much about it! 

Edited 20 September, 2023 by sadoldgit
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7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

That’s the thing though egg, these types of allegations play out through social media all of the time. There were Phillip Schofield stories flying about on social media long before the news broke in the main stream.

There is a social media site, not Mumsnet, mainly populated by women that carries loads of stories about celebs, politicians, sports stars, influencers etc daily. The current threads about Brand would make your toes curl. How much of it is true I have no idea but there are people there claiming to have sex with him or friends of people who have had sex with him washing their dirty linen in public.

There was a lot of rumours about Dan Wooten behaviour on there months before the news broke in the mainstream. Some of this stuff goes back years. I’m amazed that the place hasn’t been sued out of existence given some of the stuff they publish from people.

As for not being a sex addict, no me neither, which is just as well as I wouldn’t be able to do much about it! 

Ha!! Ditto! 

[whelk]

Sorry to come across old school but don’t think sex can be a true addiction. Libidos vary and some may need far more validation than others. Happy to meet a fit female addict to convince me otherwise. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Sorry to come across old school but don’t think sex can be a true addiction. Libidos vary and some may need far more validation than others. Happy to meet a fit female addict to convince me otherwise. 

It’s a fair point. Libidos vary massively, then you’ve got the top shagger lads, lads, lads sort of people who would shag anything that moves. Presumably if you’re addicted to a sex then you’re also always wanking because it’s not like you can smash one into the office bike in the bogs, or even worse if you’re on a building site and get the horn. I’m not really qualified to speak on addictions but it all does seem a bit like a convenient excuse for being not being able to keep your cock in your pants. 

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3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It’s a fair point. Libidos vary massively, then you’ve got the top shagger lads, lads, lads sort of people who would shag anything that moves. Presumably if you’re addicted to a sex then you’re also always wanking because it’s not like you can smash one into the office bike in the bogs, or even worse if you’re on a building site and get the horn. I’m not really qualified to speak on addictions but it all does seem a bit like a convenient excuse for being not being able to keep your cock in your pants. 

I've got a mate who's a recovering sex addict. He would wank loads and loads. It's a proper addiction - read all about here https://saauk.info/our-addiction-our-program/

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

I've got a mate who's a recovering sex addict. He would wank loads and loads. It's a proper addiction - read all about here https://saauk.info/our-addiction-our-program/

Interesting stuff. What's the end game with this then? With drugs, booze, gambling it seems to be totally to give it. is that the same with this? Never wank again? Not being facetious here, is total abstenance the way to control it like other addictions?

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1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Interesting stuff. What's the end game with this then? With drugs, booze, gambling it seems to be totally to give it. is that the same with this? Never wank again? Not being facetious here, is total abstenance the way to control it like other addictions?

Not sure. Drugs, booze, gambling programmes are all about abstinence and avoiding the first line/drink/bet. I can't imagine this is about avoiding the first sexual act. 

[Weston Super Saint]

16 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Interesting stuff. What's the end game with this then? With drugs, booze, gambling it seems to be totally to give it. is that the same with this? Never wank again? Not being facetious here, is total abstenance the way to control it like other addictions?

If they are grown men, they have choices so can easily chose not to be a sex addict, apparently....

[Lord Duckhunter]

46 minutes ago, egg said:

I can't imagine this is about avoiding the first sexual act. 

I think it’s about not getting caught. 
 

Id imagine most “sex addicts” are just blokes who got caught doing something they shouldn’t. 

[Lighthouse]

I heard someone say addicts aren’t addicts because they need something but because they’re missing something else. No idea to what extent that’s true and I’m sure it’s too generic to explain everything but it does raise an interesting point. You see plenty of retired footballers fall into various addictions, trying to replicate the thrill of professional football in front of a big crowd. I remember Merse on Soccer Saturday saying, “there’s no feeling in the world like scoring a goal, and I’ve tried everything.”

Mick Hucknall was famously a ‘sex addict’. He claimed he was that way because he was trying to fill the void left by a lack of love from his mother, which is kind of a sad and messed up way for a guy to feel.

[The Kraken]

11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I heard someone say addicts aren’t addicts because they need something but because they’re missing something else. No idea to what extent that’s true and I’m sure it’s too generic to explain everything but it does raise an interesting point. You see plenty of retired footballers fall into various addictions, trying to replicate the thrill of professional football in front of a big crowd. I remember Merse on Soccer Saturday saying, “there’s no feeling in the world like scoring a goal, and I’ve tried everything.”

Mick Hucknall was famously a ‘sex addict’. He claimed he was that way because he was trying to fill the void left by a lack of love from his mother, which is kind of a sad and messed up way for a guy to feel.

The Merson analogy perhaps isn’t the best being as he was bang into booze and coke while he was still playing. Gascoigne the same. I get the sentiment but the nature of genuine addictions are that they are just deep down and always there.

Edited 20 September, 2023 by The Kraken

[Turkish]

Sean Lock called it

 

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2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

The Merson analogy perhaps isn’t the best being as he was bang into booze and coke while he was still playing. Gascoigne the same. I get the sentiment but the nature of genuine addictions are that they are just deep down and always there.

Yep, plenty of others too. At its simplest, addiction is an illness. The problem is that people see the fall out of it and judge addicts on their actions, and usually wrongly believing that people choose to be that way. Nobody chooses any illness. 

Paul Walsh was another who's alcohol addiction got him while he was still playing. He's very open about it and this podcast is a decent listen. There's a summary in the link too, and it touches upon the link between sport and addiction which someone mentioned above. 

https://www.priorygroup.com/blog/sporting-highs-and-lows-podcast-episode-one-with-paul-walsh

There's a great line where he says he "got his comeuppance and had to go to Portsmouth" 😂

Edited 20 September, 2023 by egg

[Turkish]

14 hours ago, egg said:

Yep, plenty of others too. At its simplest, addiction is an illness. The problem is that people see the fall out of it and judge addicts on their actions, and usually wrongly believing that people choose to be that way. Nobody chooses any illness. 

Paul Walsh was another who's alcohol addiction got him while he was still playing. He's very open about it and this podcast is a decent listen. There's a summary in the link too, and it touches upon the link between sport and addiction which someone mentioned above. 

https://www.priorygroup.com/blog/sporting-highs-and-lows-podcast-episode-one-with-paul-walsh

There's a great line where he says he "got his comeuppance and had to go to Portsmouth" 😂

There is something in their make up that makes them like that. I listen to a podcast regularly from one of the best CrossFit coaches in the world who says the top athletes are addicted to it, they aren’t normal. They’ll find a weakness in their performance and become obsessive about fixing it. Nothing else in their life matters and everythng is about the next work out. It’s what makes them great athletes but also is not really the sort of mindset you would want as an everyday person where literally nothing else matters. Kind of see the same kind of mentality with an addict of booze or drugs for example, it becomes an obsession where nothing else matters. swap next workout for next drink or fix and there is something similar going on, just one person is addicted to something good for them. You can see why so many sportsmen fall into it once their career ends. 
As they say there is a fine line between being a genius and being crazy. 

Edited 21 September, 2023 by Turkish

[benjii]

21 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I heard someone say addicts aren’t addicts because they need something but because they’re missing something else. No idea to what extent that’s true and I’m sure it’s too generic to explain everything but it does raise an interesting point. You see plenty of retired footballers fall into various addictions, trying to replicate the thrill of professional football in front of a big crowd. I remember Merse on Soccer Saturday saying, “there’s no feeling in the world like scoring a goal, and I’ve tried everything.”

Mick Hucknall was famously a ‘sex addict’. He claimed he was that way because he was trying to fill the void left by a lack of love from his mother, which is kind of a sad and messed up way for a guy to feel.

Should have gone full Saville and fucked his dead mum to get it out of his system.

 

But, yes, I agree with you. It seems to me that any sort of pathological behaviour usually derives from some sort of longing or loss that is deeper than the sensation of the experience itself.

Edited 21 September, 2023 by benjii

[Lighthouse]

22 hours ago, The Kraken said:

The Merson analogy perhaps isn’t the best being as he was bang into booze and coke while he was still playing. Gascoigne the same. I get the sentiment but the nature of genuine addictions are that they are just deep down and always there.

Merse I don’t know about but Gazza has always been affected by his mate’s death as a child and his ADHD, among other things. It didn’t helped that many of his teammates just saw his eccentric behaviour as being ‘a bit of a character’ whilst they were out getting smashed with him. I think for him the booze is more of a pain numbing coping mechanism.

[Sheaf Saint]

On 20/09/2023 at 20:37, Lighthouse said:

I heard someone say addicts aren’t addicts because they need something but because they’re missing something else. No idea to what extent that’s true and I’m sure it’s too generic to explain everything but it does raise an interesting point. You see plenty of retired footballers fall into various addictions, trying to replicate the thrill of professional football in front of a big crowd. I remember Merse on Soccer Saturday saying, “there’s no feeling in the world like scoring a goal, and I’ve tried everything.”

Mick Hucknall was famously a ‘sex addict’. He claimed he was that way because he was trying to fill the void left by a lack of love from his mother, which is kind of a sad and messed up way for a guy to feel.

This is very interesting, and something that I can personally relate to.

When I was 6 years old, my dad who worked in shipping went off go sea one day and never came home. Took my mum 7 years to find out he had decided he couldn't cope with family life and had fucked off to live in Spain. I didn't see him face to face again until I was 24.

As a teenager in the 90s, I got massively into the rave scene. I liked nothing more at weekends than to go out to a club (the Rhino was a favourite haunt) and get off my face on speed, pills, acid... whatever. It was my way of escaping my 'normal' life for a few hours. I didn't realise it at the time, of course, but looking back now it's pretty obvious I did that to fill the void left by my absent dad. I spent years and years trying to find ways to replicate the highs I experienced during those times, until finally realising I was never going to achieve that and that I had to find other things in my life to derive joy from.

I've never scored a goal in front of 40,000 fans, obviously, but I can totally relate to Merse on this. If you have an addictive personality then trying to find ways to satisfy that craving can become all pervasive in your mind and seriously impact on your day to day life if you don't have the ability to control it.

As much as I dislike Russell Brand, if he had/has a genuine sex addiction then I do have a small degree of sympathy because it would have a big detrimental effect on his ability to make rational choices. It's just a shame that his particular addiction has direct consequences on other people who then become victims of his mental health problems. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in terms of criminal cases etc...