The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

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1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

That's one of the issues though. We all know that black, Asian and anyone 'foreign' looking will be asked to prove their right to live in the country disproportionately more than white / European people, simply because of the demographics of those entering the country and working illegally.

Than there will be the endless hand wringing and accusations of brutality etc. 

 

For sure, that's inevitable. I'm not calling for ID cards btw, rather I don't see an issue in principle. Done well, they'll serve a useful purpose.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

For sure, that's inevitable. I'm not calling for ID cards btw, rather I don't see an issue in principle. Done well, they'll serve a useful purpose.

I agree.

I disagree that the purpose will have much effect on illegal workers, let alone enough of an effect to justify the cost!

[Weston Super Saint]

23 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Trouble is, there is a large portion of society who don't ask who is doing their McDelivery or Whooshing their groceries to them.

I'd challenge most deliveries aren't being delivered by the person pictured on the app!  Massive 'blackmarket' economy growing with almost zero checks and balances.

It looks like the Government are already monitoring this site

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgqy8v7ze0ko

[AlexLaw76]

How could ID cards stop the boats?

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, egg said:

For sure, that's inevitable. I'm not calling for ID cards btw, rather I don't see an issue in principle. Done well, they'll serve a useful purpose.

Maybe so. The done well bit is the bit I highly doubt. 

[hypochondriac]

Interesting tweet from Andrew Neil. Presumably these would be popular policies on here at least. I wonder if they would increase Labour's popularity. 

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25 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

How could ID cards stop the boats?

Nothing will stop the boats. The water ain't going anywhere, neither is our obligation to take in people seeking asylum, and our inability to just send them on their way. 

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24 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting tweet from Andrew Neil. Presumably these would be popular policies on here at least. I wonder if they would increase Labour's popularity. 

Scrap the green push and I'm all for that. Whatever labour do or don't do, they need to pick the left, right or middle lane, and stop doing an unpopular version of populism. 

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, egg said:

Scrap the green push and I'm all for that. Whatever labour do or don't do, they need to pick the left, right or middle lane, and stop doing an unpopular version of populism. 

Agree with that. Currently trying to be all things to all people means they are unpopular with everyone. At least if they went left it would be clear and they would have sort of an appeal with some people at least. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting tweet from Andrew Neil. Presumably these would be popular policies on here at least. I wonder if they would increase Labour's popularity. 

Yep, popular. Reform would never win a majority to allow it to properly reverse those policies.

It also depends on whether they make the average person richer. If people are better off they can put up with more brown people.

[rallyboy]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting tweet from Andrew Neil. Presumably these would be popular policies on here at least. I wonder if they would increase Labour's popularity. 

 

With the state of his CV and his reputation I must confess I thought I would never see the words 'interesting' and Andrew Neil in the same sentence ever again.

[hypochondriac]

57 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

With the state of his CV and his reputation I must confess I thought I would never see the words 'interesting' and Andrew Neil in the same sentence ever again.

Unlike some I like to look at a wide range of sources in order to develop more balanced opinions. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

I wonder what Starmers defenders will say about the welfare bill they’re proposing tonight. The one that treats people with the same disability differently based on when they were diagnosed. By definition, it’ll end up accepting people need help with day to day living, but then deny them that help. God, imagine if Tories proposed this, yet the usual suspects will still be trotting out the usual lines. Their caring principles shown up for what they really are. Movable…

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2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I wonder what Starmers defenders will say about the welfare bill they’re proposing tonight. The one that treats people with the same disability differently based on when they were diagnosed. By definition, it’ll end up accepting people need help with day to day living, but then deny them that help. God, imagine if Tories proposed this, yet the usual suspects will still be trotting out the usual lines. Their caring principles shown up for what they really are. Movable…

You sound like Soggy. 

Who are the Starmer supporters you complain of?

Anyways, I agree. The proposed 2 tier system is absurd. Hopefully it gets voted down. 

[Farmer Saint]

39 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I wonder what Starmers defenders will say about the welfare bill they’re proposing tonight. The one that treats people with the same disability differently based on when they were diagnosed. By definition, it’ll end up accepting people need help with day to day living, but then deny them that help. God, imagine if Tories proposed this, yet the usual suspects will still be trotting out the usual lines. Their caring principles shown up for what they really are. Movable…

I think most have said Starmer is doing pretty shit? Or are you just making stuff up?

[Whitey Grandad]

18 hours ago, whelk said:

I am still worried that Saintweb will leak my real identity as Lisa Smith, 42 yo mother of two who works in Shoezone and drinks too much

Best keep quiet about that. You wouldn't want it to leak out.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, egg said:

Anyways, I agree. The proposed 2 tier system is absurd. Hopefully it gets voted down

There’s an argument to be had as to who deserves PIP & I’m sure we’d be at different ends of that debate. But the fundamental principles of a welfare state is that it should be based on need, not timing. It’s quite shocking that a labour government is undermining that principle and that hundreds of labour MP’s will vote it through. For what end, to satisfy the OBR & for political purposes. As shameful and immoral as anything Boris ever did.