The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Wade Garrett]

5 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Anyone thinking that Reform could run a piss up in a brewery are delusional.

You’re probably right.  But that’s not the point I’m making.

[Lord Duckhunter]

“Delusional”, that’s what the Israeli hostages families have called Starmer. 
 

Provided they don’t take freebies off an unelected lord that they then have to give back, lose their anti corruption minister for corruption allegations, lose housing minister for fiddling taxes, top aide for perverted messages about Dianne Abbot, and an MP for beating up a constituent. They won’t be any worse. 

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Anyone thinking that Reform could run a piss up in a brewery are delusional.

Perhaps, but Farage has proved to be very successful at making elections into single issue ballots, then, like all political animals, manipulating the truth to amplify his message. Whether Reform voters are delusional or not, most voters look for easy choices on voting day, and he knows how easily people can be persuaded by slogans, smoke and mirrors, and to accept that UP is DOWN. 

It's a skill all the most effective operators have, even Donald Trump - what does "Make America Great Again" actually mean in practice ?

Edited Monday at 07:49 by badgerx16

[mickn]

17 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

That’s because of who is putting those up. And it’s not just honest working class people unaware of the far right. 

No surprise given Andy Saxon’s background including a fatal racist attack https://www.instagram.com/p/DONo_91iLbo/ and https://hopenothate.org.uk/2013/01/28/exclusive-edl-bodyguard-in-racist-death-link/

I'm assuming that it's a requisite of being a racist thug that you have to have more than one name.

Edited Monday at 08:15 by mickn

[sadoldgit]

21 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I bet he knows that you start a sentence with a capital letter when writing English.

got to love the standard of education amongst some in the UK sometimes.

 

18 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

😆

So it went way over your head Batman? Shall I talk you through it? As someone who clearly has a problem with foreigners in this country I found it quite funny that, whilst having a dig at another one, you displayed your customary lack of care over the use of written English.

To reinforce my point I deliberately used a lower cap for the word at the start of a sentence, something you do daily, and linked that to a lack of education. I guess it was too subtle for you. I shall try and be more obvious in future.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

 

So it went way over your head Batman? Shall I talk you through it? As someone who clearly has a problem with foreigners in this country I found it quite funny that, whilst having a dig at another one, you displayed your customary lack of care over the use of written English.

To reinforce my point I deliberately used a lower cap for the word at the start of a sentence, something you do daily, and linked that to a lack of education. I guess it was too subtle for you. I shall try and be more obvious in future.

 

What a great gag, LMFAO. So you deliberately used a lower case letter to show how stupid other people were and it wasn't you screwing up at all, it was in fact, some hilarious gag way above everyone elses level on here.

 

Thanks for explaining the joke SOG. The ones you have to explain are always the best ones.

[AlexLaw76]

26 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

 

So it went way over your head Batman? Shall I talk you through it? As someone who clearly has a problem with foreigners in this country I found it quite funny that, whilst having a dig at another one, you displayed your customary lack of care over the use of written English.

To reinforce my point I deliberately used a lower cap for the word at the start of a sentence, something you do daily, and linked that to a lack of education. I guess it was too subtle for you. I shall try and be more obvious in future.

Of course you did.

 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Of course you did.

 

TBF that has given me the best laugh this morning. SOG caught us all out there. 😂

[Lord Duckhunter]

18 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

People aren’t flocking to reform because they have become right-wing and like their policies.  They’re flocking to Reform because the main two parties couldn’t run a piss-up in a brewery and arrogantly no longer listen to the electorate.

Too many career-politicians who have forgotten what they’re there for.

That’s clearly the reason, which puts the job Davey is doing into perspective. He’s got 10 times more MP’s, has remainers & the soft left, yet they’re down with the Tories in the polls. If you’re to the right & want change reform is your vehicle at the moment, with a decent leader the Lib Dem’s would pick up disillusioned pinkos, wets and lefties. Instead of that they have a buffoon running around like he’s a chump on “it’s a knockout” or The generation game. Clown show…

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That’s clearly the reason, which puts the job Davey is doing into perspective. He’s got 10 times more MP’s, has remainers & the soft left, yet they’re down with the Tories in the polls. If you’re to the right & want change reform is your vehicle at the moment, with a decent leader the Lib Dem’s would pick up disillusioned pinkos, wets and lefties. Instead of that they have a buffoon running around like he’s a chump on “it’s a knockout” or The generation game. Clown show…

Davey's lack of competence during his time as postal affairs minister should have got him punted as party leader, the moment it came to light.

He was shown to be repeatedly useless, with a complete lack of curiosity or ability to absorb evidence, all of which he then blames on others. What a guy! Surely, the leader we need!

Inkeeping with the indecisive spinelessness that epitomises his party, there he is, still in charge of it, with his marching band, desperately looking for clicks to pretend they're relevant.

[Lord Duckhunter]

55 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Inkeeping with the indecisive spinelessness that epitomises his party, there he is, still in charge of it, with his marching band, desperately looking for clicks to pretend they're relevant.

Well said. The fact they’re happy with him, tells you all you need to know. A party that is pro EU, Anti Trump, anti Musk, anti Nige, and not Tory or Labour, should be “cooking”. The fact this middle class tossers aren’t, shows they’ve not got the gumption needed. The Greens will eat their lunch with the youngsters, and leave them with the Tory wets of Lower Twathampton and Doc Martin extras as their base. They’re about as radical as a church fete…

Edited Monday at 15:10 by Lord Duckhunter

[egg]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Davey's lack of competence during his time as postal affairs minister should have got him punted as party leader, the moment it came to light.

He was shown to be repeatedly useless, with a complete lack of curiosity or ability to absorb evidence, all of which he then blames on others. What a guy! Surely, the leader we need!

Inkeeping with the indecisive spinelessness that epitomises his party, there he is, still in charge of it, with his marching band, desperately looking for clicks to pretend they're relevant.

My politics are lib dem, and although this bloke seems thoroughly likeable, he's far away from being a credible leader.

Politics shouldn't be a popularity contest of the leaders, but, it's gone that way, and he's not doing anything to sway voters towards the lib dems. 

Edited Monday at 15:39 by egg

[Holmes_and_Watson]

The most recent lib dem representative I heard from was at the weekend, concerning wrapping yourself with a flag. Despite saying they weren't doing it for the attention, their preceding few sentences were all about making sure where the other parties stood, rather than standing for anything themselves.

Then they admitted that it was important to be part of a news cycle, so it really was for the attention after all.

Desperate.

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

The most recent lib dem representative I heard from was at the weekend, concerning wrapping yourself with a flag. Despite saying they weren't doing it for the attention, their preceding few sentences were all about making sure where the other parties stood, rather than standing for anything themselves.

Then they admitted that it was important to be part of a news cycle, so it really was for the attention after all.

Desperate.

Well they need to do something. BBC love Farage and desperate to cover his every move and ignore the Lib Dems

Ed Davey raising LD’s blood pressure is a plus for me

[rallyboy]

Each party has a different approach to making headlines - the LibDems do stunts, Farage lies, Starmer tells everyone he's not the Tories and Kemi mutters quietly in the corner.

Edited Monday at 17:13 by rallyboy
Keyboard was fucking around.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, egg said:

My politics are lib dem, and although this bloke seems thoroughly likeable, he's far away from being a credible leader.

Politics shouldn't be a popularity contest of the leaders, but, it's gone that way, and he's not doing anything to sway voters towards the lib dems. 

Ashdown, Kennedy or Clegg he is not. I like him and the Post Office pile on totally ignored Paul Scully’s fuck ups when far more was starting to be known about PO’s lies. I’m sure he regrets not meeting Bates but we need someone to take the fight to Farage over the disaster that is Brexit and rub his rubber face in every fucking lie he’s told, which tbf would take 100 years. Even Harry Redknapp is more trustworthy than Farage.

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Well said. The fact they’re happy with him, tells you all you need to know. A party that is pro EU, Anti Trump, anti Musk, anti Nige, and not Tory or Labour, should be “cooking”. The fact this middle class tossers aren’t, shows they’ve not got the gumption needed. The Greens will eat their lunch with the youngsters, and leave them with the Tory wets of Lower Twathampton and Doc Martin extras as their base. They’re about as radical as a church fete…

Now yes, but if the dial isn’t moving in 6-12 months, there’s a much bigger Parliament party behind him now and more expectation. Can’t bask in the GE sunshine forever and Reform needs banishing in the national interest. Fuck online safety warnings, get after Farage after his cunt comments about ending settled status including people who have been here 15-20 years plus, paid their taxes, married to UK armed forces veterans, served our communities.

Disgraceful. Labour is too weak to do it so we need go after the leather-faced prick. Farage has none of his own ideas, poundshop Trump, and this also needs emphasising. Just uses MAGA phrases with a bit of casual racism thrown in.

Edited Monday at 18:39 by Gloucester Saint

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Now yes, but if the dial isn’t moving in 6-12 months, there’s a much bigger Parliament party behind him now and more expectation. Can’t bask in the GE sunshine forever and Reform needs banishing in the national interest. Fuck online safety warnings, get after Farage after his cunt comments about ending settled status including people who have been here 15-20 years plus, paid their taxes, married to UK armed forces veterans, served our communities.

Disgraceful. Labour is too weak to do it so we need go after the leather-faced prick.

If either Labour or the Conservatives even remotely tried to cut immigration in a meaningful way and pretended to be serious about cutting illegal entry, Farage and his comments would remain in the fringes

but, neither of the big 2 party’s wanted to, nor will do any of that, so Farage is more now likely to be Prime Minister than not. Imagine saying that 5 years ago!

Edited Monday at 18:42 by AlexLaw76

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If either Labour or the Conservatives even remotely tried to cut immigration in a meaningful way and pretended to be serious about cutting illegal entry, the Farage and his comments would remain in the fringes

but, neither of the big 2 party’s wanted to, nor will do any of that, so Farage is more now likely to be Prime Minister than not. Imagine saying that 5 years ago!

There is some truth in this clearly.

However, whilst asylum and especially the visual power of the boats, clearly has to be reduced (notice I said asylum, not immigration) it’s a distraction from the fact the economy has been in the cart since 2008 and most people’s standard of living and wages are significantly down.

Electing a poundshop MAGA tribute act is not going to make a positive difference to that, nor is it the fault of migrants. It would be far worse still without the contributions of legal migrants in our economy and healthcare system.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

There is some truth in this clearly.

However, whilst asylum and especially the visual power of the boats, clearly has to be reduced (notice I said asylum, not immigration) it’s a distraction from the fact the economy has been in the cart since 2008 and most people’s standard of living and wages are significantly down.

Electing a poundshop MAGA tribute act is not going to make a positive difference to that, nor is it the fault of migrants. It would be far worse still without the contributions of legal migrants in our economy and healthcare system.

Fine saying that, but after the last shit show, we have a chancellor who literally told everyone try one she is not coming back for more tax rises and will not be taxing working people. She is full of shit, and people have had enough

[Gloucester Saint]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Fine saying that, but after the last shit show, we have a chancellor who literally told everyone try one she is not coming back for more tax rises and will not be taxing working people. She is full of shit, and people have had enough

The IFS were pretty clear in 2024 - tax rises were on the cards whoever won to balance the books and cover the pandemic borrowings. More fool the two main parties for getting into a facile race to the bottom. By the way, Maggie promised to reduce indirect taxes but doubled VAT straight away and overall tax burden was about the same for low and middle earners by 1991 as it was in 1979 because although direct taxation was reduced from 26% to 21%, and the top rates slashed, VAT more than doubled to 15% of government income 1978-91.

Edited Monday at 19:01 by Gloucester Saint

[LuckyNumber7]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

There is some truth in this clearly.

However, whilst asylum and especially the visual power of the boats, clearly has to be reduced (notice I said asylum, not immigration) it’s a distraction from the fact the economy has been in the cart since 2008 and most people’s standard of living and wages are significantly down.

Electing a poundshop MAGA tribute act is not going to make a positive difference to that, nor is it the fault of migrants. It would be far worse still without the contributions of legal migrants in our economy and healthcare system.

Migration, both legal and illegal, need to be brought down drastically. The over population and change in our culture from mass immigration isn't a distraction, it's a real issue which affects everyone.

I don't have faith in any of the parties to fix it, but Reform are the most likely.

[AlexLaw76]

11 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The IFS were pretty clear in 2024 - tax rises were on the cards whoever won to balance the books and cover the pandemic borrowings. More fool the two main parties for getting into a facile race to the bottom. By the way, Maggie promised to reduce indirect taxes but doubled VAT straight away and overall tax burden was about the same for low and middle earners by 1991 as it was in 1979 because although direct taxation was reduced from 26% to 21%, and the top rates slashed, VAT more than doubled to 15% of government income 1978-91.

The IFS are not the government and no one cares what happened 35 years ago.

literally a few months back the government / chancellor told us all no tax rises for working people, and no more tax rises after the last budget - full of shit

you can bring up Thatcher or what ever an external body once did or said, people are holding this shit show of a government to account: 

it is their fault, with the Conservatives, that a very recently fringe politician is likely to be Prime Minister the next time round.

drastically reduce immigration, actually all but stop the illegal entires, and put a muzzle on that lunatic Ed Milliband then maybe Labour will hang on. You and I both know they simply do not have the political will to do any of that.

Edited Tuesday at 06:11 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The IFS are not the government and no one cares what happened 35 years ago.

literally a few months back the government / chancellor told us all no tax rises for working people, and no more tax rises after the last budget - full of shit

you can bring up Thatcher or what ever an external body once did or said, people are holding this shit show of a government to account: 

it is their fault, with the Conservatives, that a very recently fringe politician is likely to be Prime Minister the next time round.

drastically reduce immigration, actually all but stop the illegal entires, and put a muzzle on that lunatic Ed Milliband then maybe Labour will hang on. You and I both know they simply do not have the political will to do any of that.

Promises from politicians are rarely more than a hopeful intention. At the end of the day, people have got to be pretty daft if they can't see that we're screwed and need to increase our revenue. People have also got to be pretty daft if they vote for a 5 year government based on one solitary issue. Many aspects of our lives are influences or impacted by government decision and policy, whereas immigration rarely impacts our lives (well unless the lack of immigrant workers means we can't access services, or we let it wind us up). 

I just find it mental that we'll end up with a government based in one issue, who in reality won't be able to close down the channel, French beaches, or send people back anyway. 

[AlexLaw76]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

Promises from politicians are rarely more than a hopeful intention. At the end of the day, people have got to be pretty daft if they can't see that we're screwed and need to increase our revenue. People have also got to be pretty daft if they vote for a 5 year government based on one solitary issue. Many aspects of our lives are influences or impacted by government decision and policy, whereas immigration rarely impacts our lives (well unless the lack of immigrant workers means we can't access services, or we let it wind us up). 

I just find it mental that we'll end up with a government based in one issue, who in reality won't be able to close down the channel, French beaches, or send people back anyway. 

She had no reason to tell us that taxes were doing up further, or there be no tax rises for working people, if such promises mean nothing.

Much like the reduced energy bills, the smashing of the gangs. Just full of shite.

In the meantime, a light is being placed on Starmer again for hidden finances. I’m sure it will get swept under the carpet, but given they spent years demanding the resignation of Torys for any and every wrong doing, looks like they were/are playing the same game.

as for a single issue, if any of the main partys even pretended to tackle it, this issue would remain in the fringes. They have lied for decades, and here we are

[Gloucester Saint]

10 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Migration, both legal and illegal, need to be brought down drastically. The over population and change in our culture from mass immigration isn't a distraction, it's a real issue which affects everyone.

I don't have faith in any of the parties to fix it, but Reform are the most likely.

Lack of free at the point of entry of healthcare will effect even more people, hope you’ve been saving up for the American system Farage will introduce.

Oh, and those pesky legal immigrants who’ve been propping up our social care system as well as the health services, hope you don’t have any elderly relatives needing looking after or need looking after yourself one day. Because we are an ageing population https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/the-uks-changing-population/

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The IFS are not the government and no one cares what happened 35 years ago.

literally a few months back the government / chancellor told us all no tax rises for working people, and no more tax rises after the last budget - full of shit

you can bring up Thatcher or what ever an external body once did or said, people are holding this shit show of a government to account: 

it is their fault, with the Conservatives, that a very recently fringe politician is likely to be Prime Minister the next time round.

drastically reduce immigration, actually all but stop the illegal entires, and put a muzzle on that lunatic Ed Milliband then maybe Labour will hang on. You and I both know they simply do not have the political will to do any of that.

People thought the Wall St crash was old history until the 2008 financial crisis proved them wrong. I don’t like Labour either but I hate Reform and Farage, and Farage fucking lied in 2016 and plenty of us will hold him to account for losing 6% of our economy and the lies about Turkey joining the EU. If tactical voting keeps him out I’m all up for it, even if I had to hold my nose and vote Tory if it really came to it. Anyone but Reform.

I’m not tolerating a Trump tribute act ruining our country. Look at what’s happening in the US, apparently Trump and RFK reckon Tynenol causes autism. Do you really want poundshop versions of morons like that running our great institutions and societies we are globally renowned for? 

[tdmickey3]

13 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Lack of free at the point of entry of healthcare will effect even more people, hope you’ve been saving up for the American system Farage will introduce.

Oh, and those pesky legal immigrants who’ve been propping up our social care system as well as the health services, hope you don’t have any elderly relatives needing looking after or need looking after yourself one day. Because we are an ageing population https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/the-uks-changing-population/

Yep, and when it all goes tits up and it will, he will resign and fuckoff to Europe or the US while we all carry the can.

Edited Tuesday at 07:41 by tdmickey3

[egg]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

She had no reason to tell us that taxes were doing up further, or there be no tax rises for working people, if such promises mean nothing.

Much like the reduced energy bills, the smashing of the gangs. Just full of shite.

In the meantime, a light is being placed on Starmer again for hidden finances. I’m sure it will get swept under the carpet, but given they spent years demanding the resignation of Torys for any and every wrong doing, looks like they were/are playing the same game.

as for a single issue, if any of the main partys even pretended to tackle it, this issue would remain in the fringes. They have lied for decades, and here we are

I'll comment just on smashing the gangs. Essentially, that's a big part of the Reform policy. Stopping people coming here is impossible. Reform are no more able than anyone to prevent people landing on our shores, and being able to return them to France or anywhere else.

We'll end up with a government elected on one issue that won't be able to deliver on that issue, and who'll mess up everything else.

Reform people can't say that all governments break promises, then proceed to elect Reform on an undeliverable promise. It's madness. 

[mickn]

12 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If either Labour or the Conservatives even remotely tried to cut immigration in a meaningful way and pretended to be serious about cutting illegal entry, Farage and his comments would remain in the fringes

but, neither of the big 2 party’s wanted to, nor will do any of that, so Farage is more now likely to be Prime Minister than not. Imagine saying that 5 years ago!

I'm not convinced he ever will be.  If, and I still think it's a big if, even if Reform win the next election I don't think he has the balls for the job.  He just likes to stand on  the sidelines stirring up things and  spouting anything populist.  Just can't see him at PMQT taking flak and being responsible for any of their policies (if they have any other than immigration.)  He'll probably say he's too busy with his businesses etc. and walk away.

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

I'll comment just on smashing the gangs. Essentially, that's a big part of the Reform policy. Stopping people coming here is impossible. Reform are no more able than anyone to prevent people landing on our shores, and being able to return them to France or anywhere else.

We'll end up with a government elected on one issue that won't be able to deliver on that issue, and who'll mess up everything else.

Reform people can't say that all governments break promises, then proceed to elect Reform on an undeliverable promise. It's madness. 

Farage by his own admission ‘makes stuff up’! And as for him representing working people, he makes the most second job money of any MP in any party by a country mile! https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nigel-farage-reform-winter-fuel-child-cap-b2757571.html

https://www.facebook.com/ledbydonkeys/videos/new-christmas-lights-just-went-up-in-clactonfarage-is-still-the-mp-who-makes-mos/938723008196987/

[The Kraken]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

Reform people can't say that all governments break promises, then proceed to elect Reform on an undeliverable promise. It's madness. 

They can and they will. Or at least they’ll try.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, mickn said:

I'm not convinced he ever will be.  If, and I still think it's a big if, even if Reform win the next election I don't think he has the balls for the job.  He just likes to stand on  the sidelines stirring up things and  spouting anything populist.  Just can't see him at PMQT taking flak and being responsible for any of their policies (if they have any other than immigration.)  He'll probably say he's too busy with his businesses etc. and walk away.

He’s about as reliable as Harry Redknapp. People want to vote for a posh Harry Redknapp ‘I didn’t get that lot down the road relegated. QPR weren’t my fault either, I had a dodgy hip’.

[whelk]

I have faith that Reform won’t win an election, and even if they did won’t be with any significant majority to fundamentally change things, There are a lot of sensible Brits who can see grifters for what they are.  Although never underestimate the public and never been more easy to feed them lies

[Gloucester Saint]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

I have faith that Reform won’t win an election, and even if they did won’t be with any significant majority to fundamentally change things, There are a lot of sensible Brits who can see grifters for what they are.  Although never underestimate the public and never been more easy to feed them lies

We’d also see crazy self-harming policies like Trump did last week jacking up hugely the H-1B to $100k (£74k) which US big tech relies on. Much nearer a GE, they’ll have to show a credible wider a range of policies than ‘get the foreigners out’.

Yesterday’s announcement about not only stopping settled status for arrivals after 5 years but extending to anyone who has been here decades and has it was vile. They’ll go too far, Reform, and even people on the ERG-type right politically will start saying ‘er, hang on’ plus the hypocrisy of Farage’s own domestic life.

Edited Tuesday at 08:17 by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

I have faith that Reform won’t win an election, and even if they did won’t be with any significant majority to fundamentally change things, There are a lot of sensible Brits who can see grifters for what they are.  Although never underestimate the public and never been more easy to feed them lies

I wish I shared the faith. I think back to the Tories cleaning up in the north and think that anything is possible, sadly. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I wish I shared the faith. I think back to the Tories cleaning up in the north and think that anything is possible, sadly. 

If the polls don’t move much by say this time in 2027 and 2028, I will probably agree. Plenty of time for Reform to implode by then and Farage has history for it.

[Gloucester Saint]

This is a bit better from Sir Ed. More like this please. And as for Reform members applauding Trump cancelling vaccines research, Jesus wept https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98en3pdxljo

[rallyboy]

I think Reform can win the next election because too many people are no longer interested in facts, they just want to hear about sunlit uplands that don't exist. Again

Farage has no workable policies or quality in his party so it will be a disaster - he also has no appetite for everyday politics.

The only hope is that his running of local councils, which will fail dramatically, could bring a few sensible people back from the brink.

If Reform win, Nige can abandon ship and probably get a job in the US, and as with Brexit, all of us will be left to pay the price for the naivety of his latest scam victims.

The evidence is all there, his history, his links, his finances, but some people refuse to see all that because it makes them look like they've been taken in by a conman.

Which they have.

[badgerx16]

43 minutes ago, egg said:

I wish I shared the faith. I think back to the Tories cleaning up in the north and think that anything is possible, sadly. 

A Reform Government comprising former BNP and UKIP members combined with failed and rejected Tories. What could possibly go wrong ? The return of Truss ?

Edited Tuesday at 09:02 by badgerx16

[egg]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

A Reform Government comprising former BNP and UKIP members combined with failed and rejected Tories. What could possibly go wrong ? The return of Truss ?

As chancellor? 

[Gloucester Saint]

19 minutes ago, egg said:

As chancellor? 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Lack of free at the point of entry of healthcare will effect even more people, hope you’ve been saving up for the American system Farage will introduce.

Complete rubbish. 
 

You’re obsessed with 1940’s state run health. There’s a reason no other country copies our model, because it’s useless. You call other voters thick, but can’t seem to comprehend moving towards a system used by other European countries, like France. One thing is for sure, Nigel won’t go into the next election proposing a US style system, and you’d need to be a bit simple to think he will. 

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Complete rubbish. 
 

You’re obsessed with 1940’s state run health. There’s a reason no other country copies our model, because it’s useless. You call other voters thick, but can’t seem to comprehend moving towards a system used by other European countries, like France. One thing is for sure, Nigel won’t go into the next election proposing a US style system, and you’d need to be a bit simple to think he will. 

Very good grounds for not believing anything Farage says https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/11/08/when-he-supported-norway-the-brexit-policy-farage-would-rather-forget/

https://www.facebook.com/leedsforeurope/videos/farage-makes-the-case-for-joining-the-eu-single-marketnorway/1540023163214849/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-09/farage-predicts-norwegian-style-deal-for-britain-post-brexit

Instead, he went around in 2019 saying that anything other than a WTO Brexit wasn’t really Brexit.

You’d be a very simple individual to believe anything Farage says.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The fact a thread about the new Government has come down to a discussion on what a party of 5 MP’s will do in government in 4 years time, pretty much sums up the shit show that is Starmer’s Government. 1 fucking year, at least the Torirs waited a few before unleashing Truss (and the quickly binned her). These clowns have given us that incompetence within a friggin year, and they won’t have the balls to kick him out. 
 

The grown ups 😂😂
 

[Gloucester Saint]

The fact that Reform gets so much coverage has rather more to do with the following:

- Tim Davie is actively encouraging BBC to cover them positively (former Tory donor)

- Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph openly espouse their policies. As you say Duck, for party with only 4 MPs it is rather disproportionate

- Reform also spends x2.5 more, and growing rapidly, more than any other party on Facebook and other SM advertising, 99% of which is about immigration. 

[LuckyNumber7]

3 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Lack of free at the point of entry of healthcare will effect even more people, hope you’ve been saving up for the American system Farage will introduce.

Oh, and those pesky legal immigrants who’ve been propping up our social care system as well as the health services, hope you don’t have any elderly relatives needing looking after or need looking after yourself one day. Because we are an ageing population https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/the-uks-changing-population/

I absolutely agree we need immigrants for the health/care sector. No problem with that. That's a bit different to waving all and sundry through, despite now having the ability to fully control who comes in, to the point that English people are becoming a minority in our own cities.

As for the NHS, it's an expensive joke, and at the very least needs a complete rethink.

[tdmickey3]

6 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I absolutely agree we need immigrants for the health/care sector. No problem with that. That's a bit different to waving all and sundry through, despite now having the ability to fully control who comes in, to the point that English people are becoming a minority in our own cities.

As for the NHS, it's an expensive joke, and at the very least needs a complete rethink.

Wow, I guess you have never had life saving/changing care from the NHS  

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I absolutely agree we need immigrants for the health/care sector. No problem with that. That's a bit different to waving all and sundry through, despite now having the ability to fully control who comes in, to the point that English people are becoming a minority in our own cities.

As for the NHS, it's an expensive joke, and at the very least needs a complete rethink.

An ideas of a rethink?

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Wow, I guess you have never had life saving/changing care from the NHS  

You get better outcomes in other countries,