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45 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

And then we wonder why the electorate is always fed up with the government of the day. Even the Thatcher and Blair premierships with multiple large GE victories had large swathes of dissatisfied people and public disorder outbreaks at times.

Added to actual real politician ineptitude, and the growth of bots, AI and misinformation, and it’s a toxic cocktail.

The nearest to a newspaper I read regularly is Private Eye, which takes the piss out of everyone. The Indy occasionally or the Star for a laugh. TBH I’d rather get news from the Star than any of the newspapers (bar the Indy) which are different flavoured comics for the easily led. The days of quality objective specialist journalists such as John Keegan in the DT about military and wars that I’d specifically buy that paper for are long gone I’m afraid. Occasionally there’s a glimmer of light where a paper takes on their own side (Mirror and what Reeves is doing to pubs and SMEs, Mail attacking Boris on cancer waiting lists) but the status quo quickly re-emerges at the instance of proprietors and editors.

As far as I’m concerned, newspapers should be held to the same standard as ITV, Sky News, C4 broadcast news or made to put Cons/Labour/Reform logo across their top page. I would say the BBC in John Cole and John Simpson’s era but LK and Mason are total crap.

Newspapers used to run opinion pieces inside the pages and kept them separate from the basic news stories. Now they run opinions on the front pages instead of news headlines. The dumbing down started in the 90’s and now it is all about getting your message across in short hits and sound bites. Getting our country back, stop the boats, a picture of a bus with give the NHS £345m a week on the side. It worked for Trump with MAGA. It seems that his crowd have an even shorter attention span.

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Holmes_and_Watson

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15 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Sarwar isn’t anything colossal, but Chris Mason is. A colossal cunt. How can the BBC can go from having household names and giants like John Cole and John Sargeant as their political editors and this little nomark in the same lifetime is beyond rational comprehension. How the mighty have fallen. Even Tufton St wouldn’t employ Chris Mason for their IEA puff pieces. 

The perfect name for a right wing children's TV show.

"Hi kids! Welcome to Tufton St!

Today we teach young Amir that he's not really one of the other kids on Tufton St, while laughing at our pal Fiona, who wants to run things. What a silly girl "

Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

The perfect name for a right wing children's TV show.

"Hi kids! Welcome to Tufton St!

Today we teach young Amir that he's not really one of the other kids on Tufton St, while laughing at our pal Fiona, who wants to run things. What a silly girl "

Pity they didn’t give Mad Lizzy the same advice. 

Gloucester Saint

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11 minutes ago, trousers said:

Not a fan then? 😁

No, certainly not. Although my late father in law, thought even less of Laura K. ‘Get the channel turned over, get her off of our screens!’ he’d yell. That’s the more polite version, and this from a One Nation Tory/Lib Dem family. 

Lord Duckhunter

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18 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Newspapers used to run opinion pieces inside the pages and kept them separate from the basic news stories. Now they run opinions on the front pages instead of news headlines. The dumbing down started in the 90’s and now it is all about getting your message across in short hits and sound bites. Getting our country back, stop the boats, a picture of a bus with give the NHS £345m a week on the side. It worked for Trump with MAGA. It seems that his crowd have an even shorter attention span.

What a big girl’s blouse. 
 

Analog poster in a digital age

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Pity they didn’t give Mad Lizzy the same advice. 

Bravely trying to free us from conventional economic thinking, only to be brought down by vested interests, the deep state and a lettuce. 🙂

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Gloucester Saint

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The Small Boats issue is a strange one to pick out given the other more unforced errors they’ve made. The rate of returns is higher than before and they’ve stopped over 40k crossing 

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Hows smashing the gangs going Keir?

 

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Misinformation in that headline because there were three PMs in 2022 alone so anyone in power for longer than those would have more. Without the context it’s like saying Russell Martin is a better Saints manager than Tonda. It doesn’t take into account return rates either.

Not a reliable article. Didn’t vote for Starmer, don’t rate him either. But let’s actually be accurate about the stuff they’ve fucked up on eg too law farm tax rate, pubs, SMEs, NI employers increase.

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2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The Small Boats issue is a strange one to pick out given the other more unforced errors they’ve made. The rate of returns is higher than before and they’ve stopped over 40k crossing 

Misinformation in that headline because there were three PMs in 2022 alone so anyone in power for longer than those would have more. Without the context it’s like saying Russell Martin is a better Saints manager than Tonda. It doesn’t take into account return rates either.

Not a reliable article. Didn’t vote for Starmer, don’t rate him either. But let’s actually be accurate about the stuff they’ve fucked up on eg too law farm tax rate, pubs, SMEs, NI employers increase.

Aren’t you enjoying my links about Starmer?

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Aren’t you enjoying my links about Starmer?

Didn’t vote for him or Labour, never have the latter, but the migrants/Starmer headline was misleading from whatever the source was. I challenged Soggy about the Crace/Oakenshaw inaccurate remarks, so I’m consistent if nothing else!

Gloucester Saint

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12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Easily fooled are we Keir, some barrister!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-lord-mandelson-scandal-jeffrey-epstein-government-ambassador-b1269540.html
 

This is the worst one, it shows awful judgement. You’d expect decent basic due diligence. Mandelson got kicked out of the Blair government for financial impropriety and behaviourally well known to be a snake.

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Gloucester Saint

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15 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Aren’t you enjoying my links about Starmer?

I’m enjoying some of them. He deserves what he gets on Mandelson and what they’ve done to pubs. The private schools VAT was a bit of a waste of time for little revenue gained.

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Holmes_and_Watson

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7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hammer-blow-for-keir-starmer-as-scottish-labour-leader-anas-sarwar-to-call-on-him-to-quit_uk_6989de1de4b0959e2d9386c2
 

the grown ups turning on their own 

I liked 

"A Labour source said: “Let’s be clear, there is no way Anas makes this big and wrong call without sign off from Douglas Alexander, a member of Keir’s cabinet and co-chair of the Scottish Labour 2026 campaign, and Kate Watson, his chief of staff and a UK Labour employee."

Sarwar to be pushed into abandoning the people who advised him, after failing to oust person who just dumped the person who advised him.

It's another reminder that none of these people have a principal, unless it's been advised upon that now's a good time to pretend to have one. 

Humza Yousaf also got sign off from SNP in London over his break from the swivel-eyed Greens. He found himself hung out to dry too.

I also smiled at anything Sarwar does as "incendiary" 

The big mystery is where are all the Tunnock's Teacakes that should be in the picture?

Scoffed before it was taken? Or as an early snub to Starmer?

 

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Look at the daft Reform racist....oh shit

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David Blunkett "We just didn't understand that [the Islamists] were not just anti-Western, but on a different plane altogether, and this is still not widely understood in the UK. We can be as nice as pie to them, but that's not the issue. They are on a mission that has taken them outside anything we can say, a mission to destroy completely our way of life. Because [British authorities] think it's just a few extremists, they are continuing to track the threat of big, spectacular attacks, looking, for example, at transfers of materials for bombs, whereas what they should be looking at is what's going on inside people's heads." And we still don’t fully grasp what we’re dealing with.

 

Gloucester Saint

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Streeting is clearly on manoeuvers, has been for a while, combining transparency to stop innuendo towards him whilst pushing Starmer nearer the bus wheels. 

Welcome to top level politics. All of the parties are like it, even the Lib Dem’s will start briefing v Davey if they don’t see their parties’ messaging and good local work translating. He was under pressure before conference season. 

AlexLaw76

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Streeting is clearly on manoeuvers, has been for a while, combining transparency to stop innuendo towards him whilst pushing Starmer nearer the bus wheels. 

Welcome to top level politics. All of the parties are like it, even the Lib Dem’s will start briefing v Davey if they don’t see their parties’ messaging and good local work translating. He was under pressure before conference season. 

The big schtick Labour had was they were the 'adults', the 'grown ups', no more sleaze, no more blue-on-blue etc.

Going with their record so far, they have rapidly become everything they said promised they were not.

 

Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The big schtick Labour had was they were the 'adults', the 'grown ups', no more sleaze, no more blue-on-blue etc.

Going with their record so far, they have rapidly become everything they said promised they were not.

 

And that’s been one of their main issues. You’d think they’d read the room with how badly the Tories tore each other apart for year on year and see the public had enough.

But no. Whilst Starmer frustrates me, Reeves as a CAMRA activist far worse than that, I’ve realised just how much I loathe the left of that party. Wankers who just virtue signal and won’t make tough decisions.

You won’t agree but they’ve been marginally better than 2016-23. But far worse than 2010-15, 1997-10 and par with the Major government. A lot better was expected although there wasn’t much excitement around them. None of the oppositions by their own admission are anywhere ready to go so we all just have to hope Starmer goes and they improve a bit.

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3 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Sarwar isn’t anything colossal, but Chris Mason is. A colossal cunt. How can the BBC can go from having household names and giants like John Cole and John Sargeant as their political editors and this little nomark in the same lifetime is beyond rational comprehension. How the mighty have fallen. Even Tufton St wouldn’t employ Chris Mason for their IEA puff pieces. 

Have you noticed the little runt Mason wants/needs to be in every shot? Don’t just show the politician being asked his question he must be on screen asking. Also using camera angle to make him tower over them like the 5ft 1in colossus he is. Oh, and yes Sarwar is a massive cunt.

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Ironic that the blind bloke can see the situation better than anyone else in Labour l.

What makes you say that?

Holmes_and_Watson

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23 minutes ago, whelk said:

Have you noticed the little runt Mason wants/needs to be in every shot? Don’t just show the politician being asked his question he must be on screen asking. Also using camera angle to make him tower over them like the 5ft 1in colossus he is. Oh, and yes Sarwar is a massive cunt.

I'll really have heard him on the radio. But yes, the interviewer shoe horning themselves into shots, for their own career is incredibly annoying. 

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