The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Challenger]

5 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I'm worried that Starmer will say he's leaving the broom, then u turn, leaving the nation broomless, and unable to afford one as Burnham has spent all the money.

Never mind the broom, just leave us a pot to piss in.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

18 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Never mind the broom, just leave us a pot to piss in.

A pot?! We're terrified about losing the broom, and you want to burden the national debt with a pot?! 

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

Hopefully we can get back to grey, boring politics again after the crazy, psycho dramas of the last two years.

Edited Saturday at 16:52 by Lord Duckhunter

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

A pot?! We're terrified about losing the broom, and you want to burden the national debt with a pot?! 

Sorry I'm being a bit greedy, will have to be satisfied with a crock of shit.

[badgerx16]

36 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

Hopefully we can get back to grey, boring politics again after the crazy, psycho dramas of the last two years.

TWO years ?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

43 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Sorry I'm being a bit greedy, will have to be satisfied with a crock of shit.

Now that we can do. Welcome to Britain. 🙂

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

Hopefully we can get back to grey, boring politics again after the crazy, psycho dramas of the last two years.

That "hopefully" is creaking under a lot of weight in @sadoldgit's opener.

[Turkish]

11 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

The Burnham Years - Will the Unions Give Him A Broom? thread.

I thought it was traditional that @sadoldgit started these. But he's been taking a break from the lounge of late.

Probably found an echo chamber on mumsnet or such like 

[Wade Garrett]

Watching Kuenssberg now.  Is there a more loathsome, self-serving politician than Peter Kyle.  What an absolute cunt he is 😂.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

What an astounding surprise to hear that Starmer is now considering "what's best for the country." I'm astonished and would never, ever have thought he'd not put up a leadership fight.

Almost as if he's been dragged kicking, and screaming to this position after months of offering all sorts to people to stop it happening.

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

What an astounding surprise to hear that Starmer is now considering "what's best for the country." I'm astonished and would never, ever have thought he'd not put up a leadership fight.

Almost as if he's been dragged kicking, and screaming to this position after months of offering all sorts to people to stop it happening.

He doesn’t give two shits what’s best for the country.  Even his exit is about what’s best for him.

I’n no fan of Burnham, but what a relief it will be to no longer have Starmer in charge.  Hopefully, the new PM will sack Reeves and Milliband as well.  
Milliband in particular needs his wings clipped.  

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

He doesn’t give two shits what’s best for the country.  Even his exit is about what’s best for him.

I’n no fan of Burnham, but what a relief it will be to no longer have Starmer in charge.  Hopefully, the new PM will sack Reeves and Milliband as well.  
Milliband in particular needs his wings clipped.  

Just wait till Milliband is appointed Chancellor

[Wade Garrett]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Just wait till Milliband is appointed Chancellor

Apparently, Burnham is cooling on that idea.  Probably because he knows he doesn’t now need Milliband’s support to be PM.

Hopefully, we’ll see more of the likes of John Healey and Al Carns and less Milliband and Lammy.  I won’t hold my breath though.

[hypochondriac]

So now that Starmer appears to be on his way out, I think we can safely say that the new broom did not sweep clean. What will the bloke be remembered for?

Chagos? Winter fuel allowance? Southport? Assisted suicide? Closing private schools? Inheritance tax on farmers? Getting rid of jury trials? Prosecuting veterans? Grooming gangs?

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So now that Starmer appears to be on his way out, I think we can safely say that the new broom did not sweep clean. What will the bloke be remembered for?

Chagos? Winter fuel allowance? Southport? Assisted suicide? Closing private schools? Inheritance tax on farmers? Getting rid of jury trials? Prosecuting veterans? Grooming gangs?

He will go hard on Breakfast clubs.....

I doubt though, he will mention "smashing the gangs"

[Challenger]

Like the seemingly endless list of new brooms before it, this one failed to do it's job as well. Next.

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He will go hard on Breakfast clubs.....

I doubt though, he will mention "smashing the gangs"

He will go all out on digital ID in the next few months to try to secure a "legacy".

[badgerx16]

58 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Like the seemingly endless list of new brooms before it, this one failed to do it's job as well. Next.

Maybe we need to stop utilising brooms and employ a vacuum  cleaner.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Trump announcing he’s going before official announcement. 
 

Ends his premiership as it started. Shambles, can’t even resign properly. 
 

 

[badgerx16]

46 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Trump announcing he’s going before official announcement. 
 

Ends his premiership as it started. Shambles, can’t even resign properly. 
 

 

That cunt should focus more on trying to sort out his own many failures.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The Ginger Growler 24/10/2024

 

“Rishi Sunak has been crowned by Tory MPs. It’s a coronation not an election.

He has no mandate and the British people have had no say. 
#GeneralElectionNow”
 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[Gloucester Saint]

21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

That cunt should focus more on trying to sort out his own many failures.

Which include:

- Illegal war at the behest of his weak-chinned Zionist son-in-law and a corrupt far right government in Israel which has actually strengthened the IRG’s hand, not weakened it, costing a vast amount of money and killing thousands of civilians

- Tariffs which have harmed his own economy severely and everyone else’s

- Murder of his own citizens by ICE

Starmer’s been a crap PM but he’s got a long way to go to plumb the depths of anywhere near the above.

Edited 11 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The Ginger Growler 24/10/2024

 

“Rishi Sunak has been crowned by Tory MPs. It’s a coronation not an election.

He has no mandate and the British people have had no say. 
#GeneralElectionNow”
 

 

Since 1900 there have been 12 "elected" Prime Ministers, many of whom served more than 1 term. There have been 18 "unelected" PMs, some of whom subsequently went on to win a GE mandate.

[Lord Duckhunter]

35 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Since 1900 there have been 12 "elected" Prime Ministers, many of whom served more than 1 term. There have been 18 "unelected" PMs, some of whom subsequently went on to win a GE mandate.

What’s that got to do with anything? 
 

You either believe a change of leader should trigger a GE or you don’t. You can’t say it should when another party does it, but shouldn’t when it means you”ll get a cabinet position out of it….

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What’s that got to do with anything? 
 

You either believe a change of leader should trigger a GE or you don’t. You can’t say it should when another party does it, but shouldn’t when it means you”ll get a cabinet position out of it….

Ange was wrong in what she said, and the history reveals how much chaos such a precedent would create, we would have had nearly twice as many GEs as we actually have.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Ange was wrong in what she said, and the history reveals how much chaos such a precedent would create, we would have had nearly twice as many GEs as we actually have.

Or the prime ministers wouldn't have resigned at the rate they have done. We all know why Ange said that and why she now won't repeat it despite this situation being identical.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

38 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Or the prime ministers wouldn't have resigned at the rate they have done. We all know why Ange said that and why she now won't repeat it despite this situation being identical.

But...but...that would make her a hypocrite! As shocked as I am that Starmer is doing a final U-turn, I am stunned that another politician is caught being an inconsistent liar.

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

So now that Starmer appears to be on his way out, I think we can safely say that the new broom did not sweep clean. What will the bloke be remembered for?

Chagos? Winter fuel allowance? Southport? Assisted suicide? Closing private schools? Inheritance tax on farmers? Getting rid of jury trials? Prosecuting veterans? Grooming gangs?

Mandelson. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

But...but...that would make her a hypocrite! As shocked as I am that Starmer is doing a final U-turn, I am stunned that another politician is caught being an inconsistent liar.

Mandelson. 

Good shout.

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What’s that got to do with anything? 
 

You either believe a change of leader should trigger a GE or you don’t. You can’t say it should when another party does it, but shouldn’t when it means you”ll get a cabinet position out of it….

Unfortunately the Tories set the precedent with a huge number of unelected leaders.

[whelk]

5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Chagos? Winter fuel allowance? Southport? Assisted suicide? Closing private schools? Inheritance tax on farmers? Getting rid of jury trials? Prosecuting veterans? Grooming gangs?

What the fuck are you on about? Someone’s had too much social media

[hypochondriac]

29 minutes ago, whelk said:

What the fuck are you on about? Someone’s had too much social media

Odd response. It's not some conspiracy to suggest that Starmer and his government have been involved with all of those things to a lesser or greater extent. Nothing to do with social media.

[hypochondriac]

37 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Unfortunately the Tories set the precedent with a huge number of unelected leaders.

I though Labour held themselves to a higher standard. They like to think they do anyway.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Wilson to Callaghan, Blair to Brown. 

25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I though Labour held themselves to a higher standard. They like to think they do anyway.

They’re exactly the same. The last 2 labour Governments changed leader without an election, now this one will. Personally, I don’t think they should, that’s not our system (although “”our Andy” will be well advised to do so,before he becomes unpopular). But I’m consistent, Labour politicians, and no doubt the Soggys of this world aren’t. The Ginger Growler  calling out Sunak, but then joining Our Andy’s  cabinet sums her, and the lot of them, up. 

[Farmer Saint]

43 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I though Labour held themselves to a higher standard. They like to think they do anyway.

Why do you think that?

[iansums]

4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Which include:

- Illegal war at the behest of his weak-chinned Zionist son-in-law and a corrupt far right government in Israel which has actually strengthened the IRG’s hand, not weakened it, costing a vast amount of money and killing thousands of civilians

- Tariffs which have harmed his own economy severely and everyone else’s

- Murder of his own citizens by ICE

Starmer’s been a crap PM but he’s got a long way to go to plumb the depths of anywhere near the above.

There’s another thread for this mate

[iansums]

18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Wilson to Callaghan, Blair to Brown. 

They’re exactly the same. The last 2 labour Governments changed leader without an election, now this one will. Personally, I don’t think they should, that’s not our system (although “”our Andy” will be well advised to do so,before he becomes unpopular). But I’m consistent, Labour politicians, and no doubt the Soggys of this world aren’t. The Ginger Growler  calling out Sunak, but then joining Our Andy’s  cabinet sums her, and the lot of them, up. 

It’s happened under both Tory and Labour governments, it’s acceptable under our system, let’s just accept it.

[hypochondriac]

51 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why do you think that?

Because many of their MPs made a huge deal out of it before and how they were going to do things differently. 

[The Kraken]

45 minutes ago, iansums said:

It’s happened under both Tory and Labour governments, it’s acceptable under our system, let’s just accept it.

I don’t like it in the slightest, but I don’t know what the answer is. In an ideal world, a re run of the election, but that’s just not practical or even a good idea in so many circumstances.

I was first put off with the idea of it with Blair/Brown agreement. Speculation about it existed for years before it finally happened, I thought the whole thing looked extremely grubby and made Brown look weak IMO. Theresa May called an early election, and Boris Johnson did the same. The less said about Liz Truss the better, and by the time Sunak got his hands on it, the Tory leadership had become a complete farce. 

So, yeah, it’s a definite weakness when a PM leaves early or gets ousted. As much as people can say that the UK votes for a local MP, the prospective PMs for each party are an enormously contributory justification for voting one way or the other. But, yeah, dunno what the solution is that’s different to what it is now.