The Reform Thread

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3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok I’m not going to discuss the ins and outs of my business on this forum and don’t need the advice of people I don’t know. I have an accountancy firm for that. 
 

in terms of the reasons some of my values align with Reform I’ve already explained this earlier. If you want to understand from a cultural perspective then their stance on putting British people first in relation to welfare and housing, their genuine (not fake) desire to address the issues around illegal immigration and cultural integration, their anti woke ideology stance (and how this will impact the environment that my children are raised in) and desire to encourage  free speech.
 

When Reform are leading by a country mile in the polls it shouldn’t be difficult to believe that there are a lot of people like me who hold similar values, because there clearly are, including former Labour voters.

A question for you and @Farmer Saint who would you vote for in the next GE? How do you think they align with your values?

I don't know. It's years way, and a lot will change by then. It sure as hell won't be Reform though. 

On your points, my two comments are you that you still haven't answered the point about you feel that the Reform changes will affect your business. You don't need to give private details to answer that point. Secondly, that you talk about the environment that you want your children to grow up in, but seek a government who are horribly divisive. The last thing I want for my kids is a divided nation dominated by people who vote solely in their own interests. 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

True - it’s utterly depressing. 

On the topic of Rugby Union and Saints, I will never understand why Lowe waited until relegation to push through the SCW collaboration. More likely to have got results whilst we still had the Sky money, and might have avoided Wigley/Redknapp mistakes.

[Sir Ralph]

28 minutes ago, egg said:

I don't know. It's years way, and a lot will change by then. It sure as hell won't be Reform though. 

On your points, my two comments are you that you still haven't answered the point about you feel that the Reform changes will affect your business. You don't need to give private details to answer that point. Secondly, that you talk about the environment that you want your children to grow up in, but seek a government who are horribly divisive. The last thing I want for my kids is a divided nation dominated by people who vote solely in their own interests. 

They have a lot of policies to improve things for start up businesses. Mine wouldn’t benefit from these but I think these policies will help the business environment generally. The main one I could benefit from is the proposed reduction in corporation tax. 

Edited Saturday at 18:14 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Youre one of tens of thousands of us that go to client corporate events. With respect I’m not sure what this is intended to prove but enjoy your afternoon nonetheless. 

 

Yeah, invited into the pits at the NL Grand Prix as well, probably invited by the NFU yeah?

[Farmer Saint]

4 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok I’m not going to discuss the ins and outs of my business on this forum and don’t need the advice of people I don’t know. I have an accountancy firm for that. 
 

in terms of the reasons some of my values align with Reform I’ve already explained this earlier. If you want to understand from a cultural perspective then their stance on putting British people first in relation to welfare and housing, their genuine (not fake) desire to address the issues around illegal immigration and cultural integration, their anti woke ideology stance (and how this will impact the environment that my children are raised in) and desire to encourage  free speech.
 

When Reform are leading by a country mile in the polls it shouldn’t be difficult to believe that there are a lot of people like me who hold similar values, because there clearly are, including former Labour voters.

A question for you and @Farmer Saint who would you vote for in the next GE? How do you think they align with your values?

Right, on the train back so got time to answer the above.

My issue is you seem to be very money driven judging by your previous posts, yet you seem to align with a party that will fucking wreck our economy, and has proven that in the past with their push to extract us from the EU, alongside their ridiculous economic policies set out in their manifesto at the last election, and their positioning since then.

In relation to who I would vote for, fuck knows. I thought Labour would grow some balls and up taxes at some point to close the deficit needed post Brexit, but alas that has not been big or quick enough. Country before party my arse.

What I will not do is vote for that fucking chancer and economically illiterate charlatan Farage. Personally, if it is looking that way in two years time I will be moving my liquid assets outside of the UK (logically) as if Reform get in the FTSE and economy will be utterly fucked. Happy for you to bookmark this post as well for those halcyon days.

[Sir Ralph]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Right, on the train back so got time to answer the above.

My issue is you seem to be very money driven judging by your previous posts, yet you seem to align with a party that will fucking wreck our economy, and has proven that in the past with their push to extract us from the EU, alongside their ridiculous economic policies set out in their manifesto at the last election, and their positioning since then.

In relation to who I would vote for, fuck knows. I thought Labour would grow some balls and up taxes at some point to close the deficit needed post Brexit, but alas that has not been big or quick enough. Country before party my arse.

What I will not do is vote for that fucking chancer and economically illiterate charlatan Farage. Personally, if it is looking that way in two years time I will be moving my liquid assets outside of the UK (logically) as if Reform get in the FTSE and economy will be utterly fucked. Happy for you to bookmark this post as well for those halcyon days.

Well let’s see then. But basically what you are saying is at the moment there isn’t anyone you would vote for because they are all shite. I tend to agree but the Tories or Reform are the closest to what I will vote for. Otherwise you would have to spoil your ballot which I don’t think is constructive 

Edited Saturday at 22:19 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

10 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Well let’s see then. But basically what you are saying is at the moment there isn’t anyone you would vote for because they are all shite. I tend to agree but the Tories or Reform are the closest to what I will vote for. Otherwise you would have to spoil your ballot which I don’t think is constructive 

Yes, I am saying that. What I still don't understand is that you are so "business and economy" driven, yet align most with the party who will destroy those things. You seem to spend your time talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Tax avoidance is worse than racism and you should resign for it, and yet you have an accountant to take advantage of tax avoidance.

You voted Remain, you have acknowledged the damage done to the British economy by Brexit and by Truss's mini-budget, and yet you support the party who's leader facilitated one, and plans to do a more extreme version of the second, with no validated numbers to back it up.

Do you understand why myself and others have such a problem with you, and no-one ever seems to support your debates? You are the epitome of a human contradiction.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yes, I am saying that. What I still don't understand is that you are so "business and economy" driven, yet align most with the party who will destroy those things. You seem to spend your time talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Tax avoidance is worse than racism and you should resign for it, and yet you have an accountant to take advantage of tax avoidance.

You voted Remain, you have acknowledged the damage done to the British economy by Brexit and by Truss's mini-budget, and yet you support the party who's leader facilitated one, and plans to do a more extreme version of the second, with no validated numbers to back it up.

Do you understand why myself and others have such a problem with you, and no-one ever seems to support your debates? You are the epitome of a human contradiction.

Spot on, I try to avoid any interaction with him but sometimes can’t help myself

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yes, I am saying that. What I still don't understand is that you are so "business and economy" driven, yet align most with the party who will destroy those things. You seem to spend your time talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Tax avoidance is worse than racism and you should resign for it, and yet you have an accountant to take advantage of tax avoidance.

You voted Remain, you have acknowledged the damage done to the British economy by Brexit and by Truss's mini-budget, and yet you support the party who's leader facilitated one, and plans to do a more extreme version of the second, with no validated numbers to back it up.

Do you understand why myself and others have such a problem with you, and no-one ever seems to support your debates? You are the epitome of a human contradiction.

I’m very frustrated with Labour but Farage would rip up one of the better things they’ve done which is improve relations and trading with the EU. That’s worth £20-30bn over this Parliament. Take that out and considering there’s already a £100-140bn gap from in GDP from when we were in the Single Market, it’s impossible that they would have any ability to improve the everyday for working people who have a nationalist outlook even if the inclination was there.

[sadoldgit]

Nigel “12 jobs” Farage, who earns over £1m a year, wants to lower the amount that “young people” receive as a minimum wage.

Currently the minimum wage per hour for those between 18-20 is £10. For the under 18’s it is £7.55.

 

 

 

[West end Saints]

Interesting polls today showing most people would tactically vote to prevent Farage getting near No10. 

LibDems / Greens would vote labour, labour would vote Tory.

I worry about the grifter getting in as he will say anything to be popular, particularly aiming at those who don't understand detail, however I am fairly confident he will never win.

[egg]

8 hours ago, West end Saints said:

Interesting polls today showing most people would tactically vote to prevent Farage getting near No10. 

LibDems / Greens would vote labour, labour would vote Tory.

I worry about the grifter getting in as he will say anything to be popular, particularly aiming at those who don't understand detail, however I am fairly confident he will never win.

Very interesting, and I share your view. 

I had a run in with one of his fans yesterday. Complete stranger who I happened to be sat next to. Pertinent part of the conversation began with comment from him that it's a strange world. He said it'll get worse. I asked why, he says immigrants. It went downhill from there.

Apparently people who don't agree with flags on lampposts aren't English enough. It's good that the flags are divisive. All the boat people should be shot on the beaches. Apparently I "wanted" his kids to be raped because I disagreed. He's convinced himself that every woman and child is at risk of being raped by an illegal. Wouldn't have it that white natives rape people too. 

He got angrier when I asked how he feels about his kids growing up with division. It's ok apparently though, cos they won't be safe otherwise. 

We're breeding a load of MAGA type loons who are properly convinced that Nigel is the saviour of good old England. It'll take some real effort to keep Reform out, and yep, lots of tactical voting will be needed. 

[whelk]

31 minutes ago, egg said:

Very interesting, and I share your view. 

I had a run in with one of his fans yesterday. Complete stranger who I happened to be sat next to. Pertinent part of the conversation began with comment from him that it's a strange world. He said it'll get worse. I asked why, he says immigrants. It went downhill from there.

Apparently people who don't agree with flags on lampposts aren't English enough. It's good that the flags are divisive. All the boat people should be shot on the beaches. Apparently I "wanted" his kids to be raped because I disagreed. He's convinced himself that every woman and child is at risk of being raped by an illegal. Wouldn't have it that white natives rape people too. 

He got angrier when I asked how he feels about his kids growing up with division. It's ok apparently though, cos they won't be safe otherwise. 

We're breeding a load of MAGA type loons who are properly convinced that Nigel is the saviour of good old England. It'll take some real effort to keep Reform out, and yep, lots of tactical voting will be needed. 

I don’t think it is that gloomy although have a couple of friends who vote Reform and they aren’t stupid but do believe British way of life is under threat.

Not helped by this cunt desperate to influence people https://news.sky.com/story/the-x-effect-how-elon-musk-is--boostingthe-british-right-13464487

[Farmer Saint]

38 minutes ago, egg said:

Very interesting, and I share your view. 

I had a run in with one of his fans yesterday. Complete stranger who I happened to be sat next to. Pertinent part of the conversation began with comment from him that it's a strange world. He said it'll get worse. I asked why, he says immigrants. It went downhill from there.

Apparently people who don't agree with flags on lampposts aren't English enough. It's good that the flags are divisive. All the boat people should be shot on the beaches. Apparently I "wanted" his kids to be raped because I disagreed. He's convinced himself that every woman and child is at risk of being raped by an illegal. Wouldn't have it that white natives rape people too. 

He got angrier when I asked how he feels about his kids growing up with division. It's ok apparently though, cos they won't be safe otherwise. 

We're breeding a load of MAGA type loons who are properly convinced that Nigel is the saviour of good old England. It'll take some real effort to keep Reform out, and yep, lots of tactical voting will be needed. 

I feel utterly ashamed to be English - genuinely getting to a stage where I hate living here.

[tdmickey3]

44 minutes ago, egg said:

Very interesting, and I share your view. 

I had a run in with one of his fans yesterday. Complete stranger who I happened to be sat next to. Pertinent part of the conversation began with comment from him that it's a strange world. He said it'll get worse. I asked why, he says immigrants. It went downhill from there.

Apparently people who don't agree with flags on lampposts aren't English enough. It's good that the flags are divisive. All the boat people should be shot on the beaches. Apparently I "wanted" his kids to be raped because I disagreed. He's convinced himself that every woman and child is at risk of being raped by an illegal. Wouldn't have it that white natives rape people too. 

He got angrier when I asked how he feels about his kids growing up with division. It's ok apparently though, cos they won't be safe otherwise. 

We're breeding a load of MAGA type loons who are properly convinced that Nigel is the saviour of good old England. It'll take some real effort to keep Reform out, and yep, lots of tactical voting will be needed. 

Yep have had similar  "conversations" but its like talking to wood but less intelligent 

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Very interesting, and I share your view. 

I had a run in with one of his fans yesterday. Complete stranger who I happened to be sat next to. Pertinent part of the conversation began with comment from him that it's a strange world. He said it'll get worse. I asked why, he says immigrants. It went downhill from there.

Apparently people who don't agree with flags on lampposts aren't English enough. It's good that the flags are divisive. All the boat people should be shot on the beaches. Apparently I "wanted" his kids to be raped because I disagreed. He's convinced himself that every woman and child is at risk of being raped by an illegal. Wouldn't have it that white natives rape people too. 

He got angrier when I asked how he feels about his kids growing up with division. It's ok apparently though, cos they won't be safe otherwise. 

We're breeding a load of MAGA type loons who are properly convinced that Nigel is the saviour of good old England. It'll take some real effort to keep Reform out, and yep, lots of tactical voting will be needed. 

Was his name nic?

We have always had MAGA types here, the difference is that they used to fly under the radar but now feel emboldened to say out loud what they used to say and their breath.

Edited 18 hours ago by sadoldgit

[LuckyNumber7]

5 hours ago, egg said:

 

He got angrier when I asked how he feels about his kids growing up with division. It's ok apparently though, cos they won't be safe otherwise. 

 

The mass immigration and influx of different cultures over the last couple of decades whilst the native population are told to suck it up, has done this, not Nigel Farage.

[sadoldgit]

15 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

The mass immigration and influx of different cultures over the last couple of decades whilst the native population are told to suck it up, has done this, not Nigel Farage.

So our problems are down to immigration and the influx of different cultures? Nothing to do with 14 years of austerity, Covid and Brexit then?

Farage has done a job on you mate.  You can see why MAGA flourished across the pond.

[LuckyNumber7]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

So our problems are down to immigration and the influx of different cultures? Nothing to do with 14 years of austerity, Covid and Brexit then?

Farage has done a job on you mate.  You can see why MAGA flourished across the pond.

Lol, read again. I didn't say all our problems were down to immigration. I was responding to the point that Farage would divide the country, as if we're not already divided.

Throwing loads of different cultures with different values into our society without our consent, changing the makeup of the country forever, has divided us. Even your hero Starmer admitted we're becoming an island of strangers (we already are).

[egg]

2 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

The mass immigration and influx of different cultures over the last couple of decades whilst the native population are told to suck it up, has done this, not Nigel Farage.

Done what, made people become angry/feral lunatics? That's down to people and their perception of the world. 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

The mass immigration and influx of different cultures over the last couple of decades whilst the native population are told to suck it up, has done this, not Nigel Farage.

Is that the "native population" that is descended from Romans, Saxons, Jutes, Angles ( guess where the term 'English' came from ), Danes, Normans, and so many other influxes from overseas ? The lace industry in this country developed due to immigrants. Were the Windrush generation acceptable, but those coming in the last 10 years not ? What about the Chinese from Hong Kong, or those from the Indian sub-continent ?

This country has been built on immigration and the integration of diverse cultures. The irony of "English" people complaining about immigrants but enjoying their Indian curries and Chinese take-aways.

Edited 13 hours ago by badgerx16

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is that the "native population" that is descended from Romans, Saxons, Jutes, Angles ( guess where the term 'English' came from ), Danes, Normans, and so many other influxes from overseas ? The lace industry in this country developed due to immigrants. Were the Windrush generation acceptable, but those coming in the last 10 years not ? What about the Chinese from Hong Kong, or those from the Indian sub-continent ?

This country has been built on immigration and the integration of diverse cultures. The irony of "English" people complaining about immigrants but enjoying their Indian curries and Chinese take-aways.

in recent history, has there been a period where there was a need to build a 3x Southamptons every 12 months to cater for immigrants?

This is completely unsustainable, and it will be a major factor in the end of this Government.

[egg]

10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

in recent history, has there been a period where there was a need to build a 3x Southamptons every 12 months to cater for immigrants?

This is completely unsustainable, and it will be a major factor in the end of this Government.

That's a different issue entirely to people suddenly not feeling English, and believing that every brown person is a rapist. 

[skintsaint]

On 05/11/2025 at 11:21, sadoldgit said:

For the under 18’s it is £7.55.

Lucky bastards, I worked one summer between school terms in '94 for £1.95 an hour....😅

[whelk]

17 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Lucky bastards, I worked one summer between school terms in '94 for £1.95 an hour....😅

My first Saturday job were a pound an hour. Had to shag some right dodgy old birds for that as well

[spyinthesky]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

My first Saturday job were a pound an hour. Had to shag some right dodgy old birds for that as well

My first job as a Management Trainee after leaving School with 3 'A' Levels, had an hourly rate of £0.276p per hour but a pint of beer was the equivalent of 20p, a gallon of petrol 40p and the price of entry to The Dell was probably under a £1.00 dependent whteher you stood in the open or sat on a wooden bench in the Stands !!

Nine years later I managed to buy my first house but only by working 2 nights and a Saturday (missed a lot of the Keegan era games unfortunately!!) with the mortgage rate at 15%.

Life had its challenges then but our generation was brought up not to expect too much.

I have  been fortunate in many ways to achieve more than my fairly modest expectations from life.

I do feel sorry for today's younger generation for many reasons but mainly because their expectation level is fairly high and we, as a country, seem to have hit a glass ceiling.

Edited 10 hours ago by spyinthesky

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

My first Saturday job were a pound an hour. Had to shag some right dodgy old birds for that as well

£3.36 at Waitrose in Hythe.

Only the very best for me.