The Reform Thread

[egg]

3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok I’m not going to discuss the ins and outs of my business on this forum and don’t need the advice of people I don’t know. I have an accountancy firm for that. 
 

in terms of the reasons some of my values align with Reform I’ve already explained this earlier. If you want to understand from a cultural perspective then their stance on putting British people first in relation to welfare and housing, their genuine (not fake) desire to address the issues around illegal immigration and cultural integration, their anti woke ideology stance (and how this will impact the environment that my children are raised in) and desire to encourage  free speech.
 

When Reform are leading by a country mile in the polls it shouldn’t be difficult to believe that there are a lot of people like me who hold similar values, because there clearly are, including former Labour voters.

A question for you and @Farmer Saint who would you vote for in the next GE? How do you think they align with your values?

I don't know. It's years way, and a lot will change by then. It sure as hell won't be Reform though. 

On your points, my two comments are you that you still haven't answered the point about you feel that the Reform changes will affect your business. You don't need to give private details to answer that point. Secondly, that you talk about the environment that you want your children to grow up in, but seek a government who are horribly divisive. The last thing I want for my kids is a divided nation dominated by people who vote solely in their own interests. 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

True - it’s utterly depressing. 

On the topic of Rugby Union and Saints, I will never understand why Lowe waited until relegation to push through the SCW collaboration. More likely to have got results whilst we still had the Sky money, and might have avoided Wigley/Redknapp mistakes.

[Sir Ralph]

28 minutes ago, egg said:

I don't know. It's years way, and a lot will change by then. It sure as hell won't be Reform though. 

On your points, my two comments are you that you still haven't answered the point about you feel that the Reform changes will affect your business. You don't need to give private details to answer that point. Secondly, that you talk about the environment that you want your children to grow up in, but seek a government who are horribly divisive. The last thing I want for my kids is a divided nation dominated by people who vote solely in their own interests. 

They have a lot of policies to improve things for start up businesses. Mine wouldn’t benefit from these but I think these policies will help the business environment generally. The main one I could benefit from is the proposed reduction in corporation tax. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Youre one of tens of thousands of us that go to client corporate events. With respect I’m not sure what this is intended to prove but enjoy your afternoon nonetheless. 

 

Yeah, invited into the pits at the NL Grand Prix as well, probably invited by the NFU yeah?

[Farmer Saint]

4 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok I’m not going to discuss the ins and outs of my business on this forum and don’t need the advice of people I don’t know. I have an accountancy firm for that. 
 

in terms of the reasons some of my values align with Reform I’ve already explained this earlier. If you want to understand from a cultural perspective then their stance on putting British people first in relation to welfare and housing, their genuine (not fake) desire to address the issues around illegal immigration and cultural integration, their anti woke ideology stance (and how this will impact the environment that my children are raised in) and desire to encourage  free speech.
 

When Reform are leading by a country mile in the polls it shouldn’t be difficult to believe that there are a lot of people like me who hold similar values, because there clearly are, including former Labour voters.

A question for you and @Farmer Saint who would you vote for in the next GE? How do you think they align with your values?

Right, on the train back so got time to answer the above.

My issue is you seem to be very money driven judging by your previous posts, yet you seem to align with a party that will fucking wreck our economy, and has proven that in the past with their push to extract us from the EU, alongside their ridiculous economic policies set out in their manifesto at the last election, and their positioning since then.

In relation to who I would vote for, fuck knows. I thought Labour would grow some balls and up taxes at some point to close the deficit needed post Brexit, but alas that has not been big or quick enough. Country before party my arse.

What I will not do is vote for that fucking chancer and economically illiterate charlatan Farage. Personally, if it is looking that way in two years time I will be moving my liquid assets outside of the UK (logically) as if Reform get in the FTSE and economy will be utterly fucked. Happy for you to bookmark this post as well for those halcyon days.

[Sir Ralph]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Right, on the train back so got time to answer the above.

My issue is you seem to be very money driven judging by your previous posts, yet you seem to align with a party that will fucking wreck our economy, and has proven that in the past with their push to extract us from the EU, alongside their ridiculous economic policies set out in their manifesto at the last election, and their positioning since then.

In relation to who I would vote for, fuck knows. I thought Labour would grow some balls and up taxes at some point to close the deficit needed post Brexit, but alas that has not been big or quick enough. Country before party my arse.

What I will not do is vote for that fucking chancer and economically illiterate charlatan Farage. Personally, if it is looking that way in two years time I will be moving my liquid assets outside of the UK (logically) as if Reform get in the FTSE and economy will be utterly fucked. Happy for you to bookmark this post as well for those halcyon days.

Well let’s see then. But basically what you are saying is at the moment there isn’t anyone you would vote for because they are all shite. I tend to agree but the Tories or Reform are the closest to what I will vote for. Otherwise you would have to spoil your ballot which I don’t think is constructive 

Edited 16 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

10 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Well let’s see then. But basically what you are saying is at the moment there isn’t anyone you would vote for because they are all shite. I tend to agree but the Tories or Reform are the closest to what I will vote for. Otherwise you would have to spoil your ballot which I don’t think is constructive 

Yes, I am saying that. What I still don't understand is that you are so "business and economy" driven, yet align most with the party who will destroy those things. You seem to spend your time talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Tax avoidance is worse than racism and you should resign for it, and yet you have an accountant to take advantage of tax avoidance.

You voted Remain, you have acknowledged the damage done to the British economy by Brexit and by Truss's mini-budget, and yet you support the party who's leader facilitated one, and plans to do a more extreme version of the second, with no validated numbers to back it up.

Do you understand why myself and others have such a problem with you, and no-one ever seems to support your debates? You are the epitome of a human contradiction.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yes, I am saying that. What I still don't understand is that you are so "business and economy" driven, yet align most with the party who will destroy those things. You seem to spend your time talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Tax avoidance is worse than racism and you should resign for it, and yet you have an accountant to take advantage of tax avoidance.

You voted Remain, you have acknowledged the damage done to the British economy by Brexit and by Truss's mini-budget, and yet you support the party who's leader facilitated one, and plans to do a more extreme version of the second, with no validated numbers to back it up.

Do you understand why myself and others have such a problem with you, and no-one ever seems to support your debates? You are the epitome of a human contradiction.

Spot on, I try to avoid any interaction with him but sometimes can’t help myself

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yes, I am saying that. What I still don't understand is that you are so "business and economy" driven, yet align most with the party who will destroy those things. You seem to spend your time talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Tax avoidance is worse than racism and you should resign for it, and yet you have an accountant to take advantage of tax avoidance.

You voted Remain, you have acknowledged the damage done to the British economy by Brexit and by Truss's mini-budget, and yet you support the party who's leader facilitated one, and plans to do a more extreme version of the second, with no validated numbers to back it up.

Do you understand why myself and others have such a problem with you, and no-one ever seems to support your debates? You are the epitome of a human contradiction.

I’m very frustrated with Labour but Farage would rip up one of the better things they’ve done which is improve relations and trading with the EU. That’s worth £20-30bn over this Parliament. Take that out and considering there’s already a £100-140bn gap from in GDP from when we were in the Single Market, it’s impossible that they would have any ability to improve the everyday for working people who have a nationalist outlook even if the inclination was there.