Romano Deeneboom : Not comming to SMS

[qwertySFC]

Wotte saying that he won't come here as McClaren wants to keep him now, also suggesting that Rudi won't play again if he does not leave the club . Apperantly only wants players who are commited to the cause,

[lambtiss]

We are only fielding 6 players on Saturday then ?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Wotte saying that he won't come here as McClaren wants to keep him now, also suggesting that Rudi won't play again if he does not leave the club . Apperantly only wants players who are commited to the cause,

 

Why would Rudi want to stay,been houded out by the club.

TBF when he has played he has give his all this season despite being

told he was not wanted...

[saintjay77]

Why would Rudi want to stay,been houded out by the club.

TBF when he has played he has give his all this season despite being

told he was not wanted...

 

Hang on it wasnt that long ago he wanted out so he had a better chance of making his national squad. we didnt loan him out last time because we wanted too. it was because he wanted to.

 

I know he was frozen out when he came back but TBF he was the player that didnt want to be here when others did so in some ways its not surprising others got on the team sheet when he didnt.

 

Just because we are in the pooh it doesnt mean we should let so called stars walz in and out of the team when ever they feel like it.

[NickG]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4087538.Wotte_lays_down_the_lay_as_Skacel_prepares_to_leave_Saints/

 

 

good article

[Ponty]

Wasting your breath Saintjay. It's been said a million times on the Rudi thread but no one seems to grasp it.

[Wes Tender]

The prospective signing of Deeneboom was only a red herring to reflect attention away from other matters.

[scott_saints]

The prospective signing of Deeneboom was only a red herring to reflect attention away from other matters.

mmm hmm. 'course it was.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Hang on it wasnt that long ago he wanted out so he had a better chance of making his national squad. we didnt loan him out last time because we wanted too. it was because he wanted to.

 

I know he was frozen out when he came back but TBF he was the player that didnt want to be here when others did so in some ways its not surprising others got on the team sheet when he didnt.

 

Just because we are in the pooh it doesnt mean we should let so called stars walz in and out of the team when ever they feel like it.

 

Why did he want to be loaned out then? So he could play and be in the window for his national team manager to see him and be aware he was still available.

 

I know Rudi has more than his fair share of detractors on here. It seems mainly for the same reasons, a perceived lack of effort and interest. We have to ask ourselves why though. He's not been used to his fullest potential, played out of position (although he's given his best at LB) so I, for one, can see why he may appear to have an 'attitude problem'!

 

This club has treated him poorly.

[saintwarwick]

Wasting your breath Saintjay. It's been said a million times on the Rudi thread but no one seems to grasp it.

 

Especially ALWAYS SFC.

[Master Bates]

This club has treated him poorly.

 

Quoted for truth.

[Saints foreva]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4087538.Wotte_lays_down_the_lay_as_Skacel_prepares_to_leave_Saints/

 

 

good article

 

Funny that, I thought Sheffield Wednesday played in Blue and white.

 

'Rudi Skacel against Sheffield Wednesday'

 

[CB Fry]

Why did he want to be loaned out then? So he could play and be in the window for his national team manager to see him and be aware he was still available.

 

I know Rudi has more than his fair share of detractors on here. It seems mainly for the same reasons, a perceived lack of effort and interest. We have to ask ourselves why though. He's not been used to his fullest potential, played out of position (although he's given his best at LB) so I, for one, can see why he may appear to have an 'attitude problem'!

 

This club has treated him poorly.

 

 

Do remind me why Hetha Berlin, who obviously loved and cherished the little mite with all their hearts, didn't take up an option to make the loan permanent - after all he's a super hard working wonder player with the greatest attitude in the world, whose problems are all the fault of Southampton FC, right?

 

And if all he cared about was being wanted and loved and cherished, why didn't he go to Ipswich when he could have done in the summer? (Clue...Kerrching)

 

Where is this queue for Rudi Skacel's services?

[SaintRobbie]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4087538.Wotte_lays_down_the_lay_as_Skacel_prepares_to_leave_Saints/

 

 

good article

 

“I want only players who are totally committed to Southampton Football Club.” Wotte

 

which evidently means;

 

 

“I can't find any players who want to be committed to Southampton Football Club.”

[SaintRichmond]

“I want only players who are totally committed to Southampton Football Club.” Wotte

 

which evidently means;

 

 

“I can't find any players who want to be committed to Southampton Football Club.”

 

 

 

But he CAN find many Southampton Football Club players that want to be committed ......

[saintjay77]

Why did he want to be loaned out then? So he could play and be in the window for his national team manager to see him and be aware he was still available.

 

I know Rudi has more than his fair share of detractors on here. It seems mainly for the same reasons, a perceived lack of effort and interest. We have to ask ourselves why though. He's not been used to his fullest potential, played out of position (although he's given his best at LB) so I, for one, can see why he may appear to have an 'attitude problem'!

 

This club has treated him poorly.

 

I can see where you are coming from but he threw his toys out of the pram at Hearts so he could get his move to us and play for the manager he did so well for in Scotland. It was then this same manager that played him out of position and dropped him all over the place.

 

Just seems to me that he was more of a pre-madona than we thought which IMO is his own problem and not ours.

 

Its a shame we didnt get the best out of him but if thats because we played him at LB when we had to and that upset him in some way then he can get on his bike. We need players that play for the team and not for them selves. IMO he has only put in some effort when it would get him something.

 

There was no sign of him for ages then leading up to the Jan window he was grafting again. Was that because the club was bothered or was that cause he was bothered? The more I think about it the more it looks like it sits with him IMHO.

[alpine_saint]

Do remind me why Hetha Berlin, who obviously loved and cherished the little mite with all their hearts, didn't take up an option to make the loan permanent - after all he's a super hard working wonder player with the greatest attitude in the world, whose problems are all the fault of Southampton FC, right?

 

And if all he cared about was being wanted and loved and cherished, why didn't he go to Ipswich when he could have done in the summer? (Clue...Kerrching)

 

Where is this queue for Rudi Skacel's services?

 

Maybe Lowe was/is demanding a ridiculous amount of money.

[saintjay77]

Maybe Lowe was/is demanding a ridiculous amount of money.

 

And if he didnt people would blame him for wasting 1.6Mill

[Chez]

Do remind me why Hetha Berlin, who obviously loved and cherished the little mite with all their hearts, didn't take up an option to make the loan permanent - after all he's a super hard working wonder player with the greatest attitude in the world, whose problems are all the fault of Southampton FC, right?

 

And if all he cared about was being wanted and loved and cherished, why didn't he go to Ipswich when he could have done in the summer? (Clue...Kerrching)

 

Where is this queue for Rudi Skacel's services?

 

according to his agent he had an option to stay at Hertha but he chose to come back. Some how I doubt that is the truth.

 

In terms of transfers I am dissapointed we didn't sign Wayne Brown. Leicester just taken him on loan, he would have bene perfect for us - another big tough ball winning CB would have been just the job IMO especially considering Molyneux's lack of height.

[NickG]

Maybe Lowe was/is demanding a ridiculous amount of money.

 

thought fee was agreed with Ipswich?

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Maybe Lowe was/is demanding a ridiculous amount of money.

 

I often see your point, but this is really a rather weak attempt to put an "Everything is Lowe's fault" slant on Rudi S's approach to his profession.

After all, Satchell seems to have had issues everywhere he's been.

[Chez]

thought fee was agreed with Ipswich?

 

it was, the player didn't want to take a cut in wages and we didn't want to subsidise them.

[NickG]

so guess Lowe wasn't demanding a ridiculous fee then!

[Chez]

I thought he was pretty much available on a free now isn't he?

[alpine_saint]

I often see your point, but this is really a rather weak attempt to put an "Everything is Lowe's fault" slant on Rudi S's approach to his profession.

After all, Satchell seems to have had issues everywhere he's been.

 

Every bugger had issues with Romanov, FFS.

[alpine_saint]

it was, the player didn't want to take a cut in wages and we didn't want to subsidise them.

 

Why should he ?

[CB Fry]

Why should he ?

 

 

If he was worth the £16k a week we were paying him then another club could have snapped him up months ago.

 

But they haven't because he isn't worth that.

 

That's why he should, and undoubtedly will, take a pay cut.

[alpine_saint]

If he was worth the £16k a week we were paying him then another club could have snapped him up months ago.

 

But they haven't because he isn't worth that.

 

That's why he should, and undoubtedly will, take a pay cut.

 

Fine. He is making a career choice there. His choice. At this time, playing is more important to him. Maybe he sees the end of his contract on the horizon. who knows ? Maybe he wanted to fight for his place in the summer. who knows ? During the summer, he had other priorities. So what ?

[Legod Third Coming]

I can see where you are coming from but he threw his toys out of the pram at Hearts so he could get his move to us and play for the manager he did so well for in Scotland. It was then this same manager that played him out of position and dropped him all over the place.

 

Just seems to me that he was more of a pre-madona than we thought which IMO is his own problem and not ours.

 

Its a shame we didnt get the best out of him but if thats because we played him at LB when we had to and that upset him in some way then he can get on his bike. We need players that play for the team and not for them selves. IMO he has only put in some effort when it would get him something.

 

There was no sign of him for ages then leading up to the Jan window he was grafting again. Was that because the club was bothered or was that cause he was bothered? The more I think about it the more it looks like it sits with him IMHO.

 

Before his Papa Don't Preach phase perchance?

[Legod Third Coming]

Oh and for my money he is talented but works as hard as a motorway cone arranger on a Friday afternoon at 4:45pm...

[CB Fry]

Fine. He is making a career choice there. His choice. At this time, playing is more important to him. Maybe he sees the end of his contract on the horizon. who knows ? Maybe he wanted to fight for his place in the summer. who knows ? During the summer, he had other priorities. So what ?

 

 

As long as that "so what" about who is creaming money out of Southampton football club at a rate of knots and contributing bugger all is applied to everyone.

 

In your case, I very much doubt it.

 

For me a leech is a leech, but as ever with you, it seems your enemy's leech is your friend.

 

£16k a week for six months is knocking on the door of half a million quid, so he's pulling down a hell of a lot more than the club administration will be at present, despite what people might think.

 

If you're happy for him to exercise "his choice" to bleed us for doing bugger all when his leaving would have helped us replace him with someone that actually wants to play for us and keep the financial wolf from the door.

 

But hey, "his choice" to screw us over....

[saintjay77]

As long as that "so what" about who is creaming money out of Southampton football club at a rate of knots and contributing bugger all is applied to everyone.

 

In your case, I very much doubt it.

 

For me a leech is a leech, but as ever with you, it seems your enemy's leech is your friend.

 

£16k a week for six months is knocking on the door of half a million quid, so he's pulling down a hell of a lot more than the club administration will be at present, despite what people might think.

 

If you're happy for him to exercise "his choice" to bleed us for doing bugger all when his leaving would have helped us replace him with someone that actually wants to play for us and keep the financial wolf from the door.

 

But hey, "his choice" to screw us over....

 

But Rudi staying brings us closer to admin which when that happens Rupes will have failed and then Alps will be right all along dont you know.

 

Is there any way out of this mess? Yes plenty but too many also see that as lining Rupes pocket rather than see it as saving our club. We all want him gone but some of us dont want the club to go with him.

[LostBoys]

Denneboom coming to SFC - about as likely as me being able to find my boots in the garden shed after 20 years - could have been more PR nonsense before they pulled the death threat out of the hat for the sympathy vote before the demonstration tomorrow. I think Rudi will still be here on Tuesday - hoping anyway

[um pahars]

Playing Devil's Advocate here for a bit:

 

so guess Lowe wasn't demanding a ridiculous fee then!

 

Maybe if we didn't demand a fee, then maybe Ipswich wouldn't have had a problem funding Skacel's wage demands? They could have utilised the transfer fee as some sort of loyalty bonus payable to Rudi as opposed to us.

 

I understand the same thing happened with Webster (ironically with the same club).

 

That's why he should, and undoubtedly will, take a pay cut.

 

I think he will indeed take a pay cut on his next contract, but I cannot help but think he is well within his rights to expect his current one to be honoured by us.

 

I'm not sure if people are really expecting him to take a pay cut with us for the remainder of this season, or accept a reduced contract if he moves, but he will be weighing up the financial benefits of seeing out this contract and finding a new club in the summer against leaving now.

 

As long as he offers to play for us, and plays to his best ability then he has fulfilled his part of the bargain. Footballers are mercenaries and we should not be expecting any kind of reverse charity from them. Football clubs can also be heartless and ruthless entities, so we shouldn't be surprised if players sometimes play hardball.

[Chez]

Why should he ?

 

agreed.

[CB Fry]

I think he will indeed take a pay cut on his next contract, but I cannot help but think he is well within his rights to expect his current one to be honoured by us.

 

I'm not sure if people are really expecting him to take a pay cut with us for the remainder of this season, or accept a reduced contract if he moves, but he will be weighing up the financial benefits of seeing out this contract and finding a new club in the summer against leaving now.

 

As long as he offers to play for us, and plays to his best ability then he has fulfilled his part of the bargain. Footballers are mercenaries and we should not be expecting any kind of reverse charity from them. Football clubs can also be heartless and ruthless entities, so we shouldn't be surprised if players sometimes play hardball.

 

 

 

 

This is all absolutely fair enough. You're playing devils avocado to my playing devil's avocado earlier, to be honest.

 

My angle is coming from a few posters who talk about Rudi Skacel like he is an under nourished six year old Victorian chimney sweep.

 

You can't move for bleating about how awfully he's been treated.

 

If he was so desperate to play and desperate to give his all for a club that loved him, then he could have gone in the summer. But those are just his surface priorities.

 

Of course he is well in his rights to sieze every penny in his contract, and of course he is well in his rights to dress this action up as a "I love this club so much, but noone loves me" routine.

 

I just wish some fans weren't so dopey to swallow it hook line and sinker, especially as those same fans scream "Ruperts propaganda machine!!!!" when the OS dares to say something as anodyne like "an afternoon in corporate hospitality might be a good present for someone" or "our new signing is a good player and is looking forward to playing for us".

[um pahars]

You can't move for bleating about how awfully he's been treated.

 

 

I think he has been awfully treated by a number of managers, administrators and dare I sat it, a number of fans;).

 

But when you're paying a mercenary £10k+ a week, I'm afraid sentamentality goes out the window.

 

I think we've used his talents poorly, particularly this season when he should have played from the off (that's if you believe Cowen's line that there was nothing contractual in his non appearances under Poortvliet) and from my contacts I understand he has been somewhat of a model pro and always delivered on his side of the bargain (turning up for training, offering to play, not throwing hissy fits etc), but shipping players in and out is part and parcel of football and I'm not losing any sleep over this one episode.

[Weston Saint]

Just to try to put the record straight on Skacel earnings. He was not on £16,000 a week but nearer to half that. One of the problems was that he was on £1,000 a game appearance bonus.

 

Was he any good? Not up to our expectations but an OK player in the Championship.

 

Was he worth his wages and appearance money? Not in my opinion.

 

Was he badly treated by the club? Most certainly.

 

Will he go? I doubt it. Who would want to pay his wage demands?

[um pahars]

Was he worth his wages and appearance money? Not in my opinion.

 

I also don't think he is worth what we are paying him overall, but considering his £8 was fixed, then I'm not sure that I agree with the decision of not paying him just to save £1,000 a match.

 

The £8k is a sunk cost and to hold back a player who was far better than those who replaced him for the sake of £1k would appear to me to be a rather false economy.

 

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but that's small fry compared to what's at stake and the contribution he could have made to the team.

 

(PS If you're right and the £1,000 was a stumbling block, then what does that say about Cowen's reply on here???).

[Weston Saint]

I also don't think he is worth what we are paying him overall, but considering his £8 was fixed, then I'm not sure that I agree with the decision of not paying him just to save £1,000 a match.

 

The £8k is a sunk cost and to hold back a player who was far better than those who replaced him for the sake of £1k would appear to me to be a rather false economy.

 

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but that's small fry compared to what's at stake and the contribution he could have made to the team.

 

(PS If you're right and the £1,000 was a stumbling block, then what does that say about Cowen's reply on here???).

 

If that was the stumbling block, it is only my opinion putting things together, then I agree it might have been false economy and conflicts with what Cowen said.

 

Some on this thread have said his attitude was good when he was out of the team. That conflicts with what I was told but I cannot blame him for that. I am sure it was part of Lowes plan to give a big helping hand to the high earners in the hope they would go. He failed and that tells us a lot about his lack of man management, as if we did not know already.

[musesaint]

Wotte saying that he won't come here as McClaren wants to keep him now, also suggesting that Rudi won't play again if he does not leave the club . Apperantly only wants players who are commited to the cause,

 

 

Rudi is out becuase he crossed Lowe - it's as simple as that

 

He was told pre-season leave or rot in the reserves

 

We only played him part way through the season when things got desparate ...and he did made a positive difference at the back and with his crosses

 

He then stupidly spoke out again after the wages figures were leaked to the press ...and was then told he'd never play another game for Saints

 

What sort of club is it that treats one of our most talented players like that? The irony is that whilst he's been sidelined and we have slid towards League 1 we have still been paying his wages ffs!

 

The same could be said of Euell

 

What in God's name do Lowe and the other idiots on our board think they are doing? Their inflated egos will take this club into League 1 and adminsitration... in fact it's probably too late to save ourselves anyway

 

I'll continue to support Saints and the players on the pitch whatever happens ...but the sight of Lowe's smug face as he rapes this club with his mis-management is something real fans should not have to stomach

[Hopkins]

Rudi is out becuase he crossed Lowe - it's as simple as that

 

He was told pre-season leave or rot in the reserves

 

We only played him part way through the season when things got desparate ...and he did made a positive difference at the back and with his crosses

 

He then stupidly spoke out again after the wages figures were leaked to the press ...and was then told he'd never play another game for Saints

 

What sort of club is it that treats one of our most talented players like that? The irony is that whilst he's been sidelined and we have slid towards League 1 we have still been paying his wages ffs!

 

The same could be said of Euell

 

What in God's name do Lowe and the other idiots on our board think they are doing? Their inflated egos will take this club into League 1 and adminsitration... in fact it's probably too late to save ourselves anyway

 

I'll continue to support Saints and the players on the pitch whatever happens ...but the sight of Lowe's smug face as he rapes this club with his mis-management is something real fans should not have to stomach

 

The fact that you think Skacel and Euell are two of our most talented players is worrying. Players get hero status around here when they do not play. Same goes for Saga a bit, the fact that all 3 have done relatively **** all for this club (Other than Saga in his loan spell for us) goes unnoticed.

 

Skacel is an average winger in this league who has done nothing but be half decent at left back. Stop making him out to be some sort of world class left winger who can score goals for fun. He's shown no sign of that whilst he's been here and for that reason it can only be a good thing that he is leaving this club and taking his wage demands with him.