The Spygate Saga

[whelk]

Just now, Britannia said:

Simon Jordan has gone up in my estimation after I thought he put some reasoned points across at the time.

 

Yep if you can get through his waffle before he makes his point

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, The Wyvern said:

It’s an interesting legal argument isn’t it and could certainly help Tonda’s case if presented in the right way. 

How on earth can that argument be used when Eckert has already said he didn’t know about the rules.  Fucking hell.

[Nordic Saint]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Just listening to the Solent chat last night about other incidents/punishments…absolutely bat shit crazy stuff from Blackmore and co again isn’t it? 😂 

Add to his commentary which is consistently way off (feel sorry for anyone relying on that without the pictures to show what’s actually happening).

He spends half the time whingeing about how uncomfortable his seat is. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

54 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Maddest take yet, congratulations.

Go on then - who wrote this script, and why? 

It's like you've never visited The Lounge.

They are behind it. You know...them. 🙂

[Football Special]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I find it odd the narrative from some people about other instances of spying. He hasn't been charged with other instances, only the three so it shouldn't factor into things. Presumably if they had evidence of other instances later on then they would add further charges.

I dont understand it either. Someone in court for 2 burglaries doesn't get judged for "having probably done more" 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

17 minutes ago, whelk said:

Harris and that cunt that manages Bromley are marked for life. As are Winter and Corden. 

I think there’s some gobby cunts who think it’s an easy ride to come out and take a pop as the majority of our fan base are seen as a bit too nice. Entirely different story if it was a club with a Millwall, Leeds kind of reputation.

We’re being trolled.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Football Special said:

Media propaganda continues, nice placement on various BBC platforms letting us all know that EVERY manager agrees a HUGE ban is needed. 

FA can then just be seen to be following popular opinion 

 

 

Just saw the BBC quote of him wanting a severe ban. Which I thought was a strong view.

In that clip, he's now speaking for every league manager. Also, that we just don't do it here.

Sort of flies in the face of the "everyone's doing it, we just got caught" argument.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

I'm surprised I (and the wider media) didn't pick up in that... If that's the case then it changes everything, surely? Yes, we (the club) ultimately ended up doing wrong regardless, but if Tonda was telling people to do this kinda thing within the regulated timeframes, and they subsequently ignore him, then any punishment specifically aimed at Tonda has to take that into account...

No. He needs to quite simply put his hands up, admit that he f**ked up and hope for some leniency for being honest. If he starts spinning some yarn about how he told an analyst to go and spy on his opponents within the allowable period but they, "accidentally turned up a couple of days late for some unknown reason and accidentally spied during the forbidden period, which just happens to be most beneficial to me as a manager but I didn’t know about the 72 hour rule honestly, but yeah this happened by accident on three separate occasions against Ipswich, Oxford and Boro," then he’s going to start looking a bit silly.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

No. He needs to quite simply put his hands up, admit that he f**ked up and hope for some leniency for being honest. If he starts spinning some yarn about how he told an analyst to go and spy on his opponents within the allowable period but they, "accidentally turned up a couple of days late for some unknown reason and accidentally spied during the forbidden period, which just happens to be most beneficial to me as a manager but I didn’t know about the 72 hour rule honestly, but yeah this happened by accident on three separate occasions against Ipswich, Oxford and Boro," then he’s going to start looking a bit silly.

I agree. We haven't done that though have we. We've put our hands up, admitted liability and pleaded for leniancy.

[The Wyvern]

30 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Deffo getting fucked by the media again, needs someone in the club to come out and do some pushing back.

Actually on second thoughts, probably best not.

Agreed, of all the managers they just happened to interview one with the most extreme of opinions. 

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree. We haven't done that though have we. We've put our hands up, admitted liability and pleaded for leniancy.

Indeed we have. And the proverbial book has been chucked at us in return as if it's the crime of the century.

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

Agreed, of all the managers they just happened to interview one with the most extreme of opinions. 

Just a coincidence,  of all the managers they happened to speak to just happened to be one that had not only an extreme viewpoint on it but also was able to tell them that all the other managers in the league agreed with him 🤣

Fucking hell and people nod along thinking its all transparent honest reporting the day before the hearing 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Indeed we have. And the proverbial book has been chucked at us in return as if it's the crime of the century.

TBF I don't think we were entirely truthful at the start or at least appeared to be concealing stuff which is part of the issue. That doesn't appear to be the case with the FA investigation though so you'd hope we'd get some credit for that. I just don't see what they hope to gain if they ban him to the extent that we have to fire him. The punishment on the club is severe enough that I highly doubt anyone will do it again so the deterrent is in place. He's made a mistake and deserves some punishment but it has to be proportionate. Racism is imo much worse and that's ten games.

[Teamsaint1]

2 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Just a coincidence,  of all the managers they happened to speak to just happened to be one that had not only an extreme viewpoint on it but also was able to tell them that all the other managers in the league agreed with him 🤣

Fucking hell and people nod along thinking its all transparent honest reporting the day before the hearing 

It really is a grossly irresponsible piece.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Just a coincidence,  of all the managers they happened to speak to just happened to be one that had not only an extreme viewpoint on it but also was able to tell them that all the other managers in the league agreed with him 🤣

Fucking hell and people nod along thinking its all transparent honest reporting the day before the hearing 

Who the fuck cares what some no mark lower league jobsworth rentagob thinks? I'd be saying the same if he was supportive of us as well.

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Who the fuck cares what some no mark lower league jobsworth rentagob thinks? I'd be saying the same if he was supportive of us as well.

BBC clearly do care what he thinks and they also think the masses need to hear it as well, hence sharing on their social media channels 

[Ted Bates Statue]

8 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Just saw the BBC quote of him wanting a severe ban. Which I thought was a strong view.

In that clip, he's now speaking for every league manager. Also, that we just don't do it here.

Sort of flies in the face of the "everyone's doing it, we just got caught" argument.

Well, he's not going to be piping up now, admitting to breaking the rules himself is he. Anyway, he's too busy getting banned himself every five minutes for abusing the ref.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that every manager in this division wants a promotion rival to be scuppered, but I'd be amazed if this half-wit has gone around all the 72 managers in the EFL and genuinely sought their opinion, or if he's just woken up from a drunken stupor, had a microphone shoved in front of him and decided unilaterally that he is the voice of all managers everywhere.

[Fabrice29]

6 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Just a coincidence,  of all the managers they happened to speak to just happened to be one that had not only an extreme viewpoint on it but also was able to tell them that all the other managers in the league agreed with him 🤣

Fucking hell and people nod along thinking its all transparent honest reporting the day before the hearing 

I think you’ve massively over thought this. He’s probably one of the few managers who could actually be arsed to join the conversation with an opinion, especially given it’s a week off for a lot of them. Not everything is a conspiracy against us. It just so happens the stronger view points will be clipped up and put out because otherwise people aren’t going to talk about their content. 

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, Football Special said:

Cracks me up that people can't see we're being fucked in the media again. 

BBC just happened to be speaking to fucking Cambridge Uniteds manager who was only too happy to share with them that EVERY manager wants Tonda to get a HUGE ban and plaster it all over their socials just before the hearing. No push back, who had told you this then Harris? Show us your research? 

I know right - in a fair world the BBC would have come to St Mary's weeks ago and their Sports Editor Dan Roan would have done a one-to-one interview with the club's CEO, giving him the opportunity to put forward the club and Tonda's case in his own words. They would have filmed it, and put it on the BBC football homepage in both written and video format. 

At the same time, they would have interviewed Tonda, asking for his thoughts and views and giving him the chance to get his points across as well. 

Then they would have published both of those stories several days earlier, giving them much more time to be seen by more people. 

But as if that would ever happen

Edited 49 minutes ago by Midfield_General

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Football Special said:

BBC clearly do care what he thinks and they also think the masses need to hear it as well, hence sharing on their social media channels 

I get that. Having a bland opinion isn't going to get them clicks is it. The gall of someone claiming to be the spokesman of every manager in the football league (particularly because many of those managers will have engaged in similar things clearly.) What a bellend that man is and I wish him nothing but misfortune.

[saintant]

21 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Just saw the BBC quote of him wanting a severe ban. Which I thought was a strong view.

In that clip, he's now speaking for every league manager. Also, that we just don't do it here.

Sort of flies in the face of the "everyone's doing it, we just got caught" argument.

It's a fact that most if not every club was doing it. They've all stopped now if they have any sense but most were doing it as confirmed by people within the game.

[Midfield_General]

28 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It's like you've never visited The Lounge.

They are behind it. You know...them. 🙂

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Well, he's not going to be piping up now, admitting to breaking the rules himself is he. Anyway, he's too busy getting banned himself every five minutes for abusing the ref.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that every manager in this division wants a promotion rival to be scuppered, but I'd be amazed if this half-wit has gone around all the 72 managers in the EFL and genuinely sought their opinion, or if he's just woken up from a drunken stupor, had a microphone shoved in front of him and decided unilaterally that he is the voice of all managers everywhere.

I had no idea the LMA was just Harris, representing every league manager on whatever subject.

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I get that. Having a bland opinion isn't going to get them clicks is it. The gall of someone claiming to be the spokesman of every manager in the football league (particularly because many of those managers will have engaged in similar things clearly.) What a bellend that man is and I wish him nothing but misfortune.

You could say he’s got some balls but not sure that’s true as recovered from testicular cancer

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

You could say he’s got some balls but not sure that’s true as recovered from testicular cancer

I'm not sure I'd have wished that on him. Maybe just that he goes paintballing and gets shot in the nuts so that it causes discomfort for a period when he sits down.

[obelisk]

7 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I had no idea the LMA was just Harris, representing every league manager on whatever subject.

Well, Mr Harris has been up on a charge at the FA so many times that other managers probably look at him as an excellent example of the sort of behaviour that can get a ban. Tonda's alleged offences pale in comparison to the sort of things that Harris gets up to.

[hypochondriac]

I'm surprised we haven't seen more of a coordinated response from some of our 'legends.' I'd have thought you'd have seen mlt, Benali, Lambert, Walcott in the media putting pressure on this week about proportionate responses. Maybe they've been told it would be a hindrance rather than a help but stuff like that does help shape a narrative.

[Sunglasses Ron]

Neil Harris bang on the money to be fair.

List of badz people in the world...

5. Harold Shipman

4. Jimmy Saville

3. Ian Huntley

2. Adolph Hitler

1. TONDA ECKERT

I'm convinced he's looking at a minimum three month ban, so KO'd until the New Year.  That probably fits between the "we've been punished enough" and the "hang him up by his private parts" narratives.

I personally feel the club should have sacked him as this is surely another season ruined, but I do understand why they made the decision they did (which I think was partially made out of defiance to the grossly unfair punishment dished out).

[whelk]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm surprised we haven't seen more of a coordinated response from some of our 'legends.' I'd have thought you'd have seen mlt, Benali, Lambert, Walcott in the media putting pressure on this week about proportionate responses. Maybe they've been told it would be a hindrance rather than a help but stuff like that does help shape a narrative.

“Makes you think”

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm surprised we haven't seen more of a coordinated response from some of our 'legends.' I'd have thought you'd have seen mlt, Benali, Lambert, Walcott in the media putting pressure on this week about proportionate responses. Maybe they've been told it would be a hindrance rather than a help but stuff like that does help shape a narrative.

I don't think it's going to have any affect on proceedings at all, neither is that clickbait Harris interview. It's pure fantasy that the EFL and FA are doing whatever 'Gibbo' tells the press he wants to happen, we are being judged entirely on our own actions and not what's in the media.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I don't think it's going to have any affect on proceedings at all, neither is that clickbait Harris interview. It's pure fantasy that the EFL and FA are doing whatever 'Gibbo' tells the press he wants to happen, we are being judged entirely on our own actions and not what's in the media.

I think things like that have an impact even if it's small. The club obviously think so or they wouldn't have done the interviews earlier in the week. 

[hypochondriac]

I'm hoping if they do ban him, we just go with Ben garner and refuse to sack him. If we fail to go up this season he's who I would want in charge to maybe get playoffs next year. Most options at the moment are massively uninspiring. Just my personal opinion and I don't think we will do.

Edited 13 minutes ago by hypochondriac

[Fabrice29]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm surprised we haven't seen more of a coordinated response from some of our 'legends.' I'd have thought you'd have seen mlt, Benali, Lambert, Walcott in the media putting pressure on this week about proportionate responses. Maybe they've been told it would be a hindrance rather than a help but stuff like that does help shape a narrative.

Le Tissier and Lamberts media presence the first time around was embarrassing enough and they should be kept out of it as much as possible. Suspect Benali being quiet is because he can’t honestly defend the incidents. 

[Football Special]

34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I get that. Having a bland opinion isn't going to get them clicks is it. The gall of someone claiming to be the spokesman of every manager in the football league (particularly because many of those managers will have engaged in similar things clearly.) What a bellend that man is and I wish him nothing but misfortune.

I thought the BBC were supposed to be above click bait as they're not funded by advertising revenue, either way the clip doesn't show if he's been asked a leading question by the journo, we also don't see any challenge later made by the journalist who surely could have quickly discredited his claim that he speaks for every manager in the league. 

Anyway the days of BBC spreading misinformation are numbered now Andy Burnham is on the case , he wont stand for their deceitfulness 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Le Tissier and Lamberts media presence the first time around was embarrassing enough and they should be kept out of it as much as possible. Suspect Benali being quiet is because he can’t honestly defend the incidents. 

I'm not saying what should or should not happen either way, I'm just saying if the club wanted to get their message out their and have some sway on the narrative, I'm surprised that isn't a route they have taken.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

I thought the BBC were supposed to be above click bait as they're not funded by advertising revenue, either way the clip doesn't show if he's been asked a leading question by the journo, we also don't see any challenge later made by the journalist who surely could have quickly discredited his claim that he speaks for every manager in the league. 

Anyway the days of BBC spreading misinformation are numbered now Andy Burnham is on the case , he wont stand for their deceitfulness 

Interesting you should say that. It appears that's exactly what they want.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

I just wish we had the opinion of say, the Wycombe Wanderers manager.

[EssEffCee]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm hoping if they do ban him, we just go with Ben garner and refuse to sack him. If we fail to go up this season he's who I would want in charge to maybe get playoffs next year. Most options at the moment are massively uninspiring. Just my personal opinion and I don't think we will do.

I find this baffling to be honest. Hasn't he failed as a manager basically everywhere? Lose to the skates and people will want him gone straight away.

Also what if Tonda wants to take another job somewhere? He's only contracted to the end of the season.

We have to make a permanent appointment if it's a long total football ban. No way should we write the entire season off.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

I find this baffling to be honest. Hasn't he failed as a manager basically everywhere? Lose to the skates and people will want him gone straight away.

Also what if Tonda wants to take another job somewhere? He's only contracted to the end of the season.

We have to make a permanent appointment if it's a long total football ban. No way should we write the entire season off.

Don't get me wrong I don't think we will do that at all. I just think all these players have been brought in to fit around how Tonda wants to play and anyone coming in would have a hell of a job anyway.