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[die Mannyschaft]

Winchester City 4-3 Hayes and Yeading. Top table, capital of England you'll never sing that ! Cam Bragg was at game. 

[Saint NL]

Poch being lined up for the Man United job, a decade too late.

[Turkish]

9 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Winchester City 4-3 Hayes and Yeading. Top table, capital of England you'll never sing that ! Cam Bragg was at game. 

Used to play for them many moons ago. Good too see them doing so well 

[Teamsaint1]

16 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Poch being lined up for the Man United job, a decade too late.

United should have gone for a huge name , tasked with re- setting the club when Fergie left. If Poch gets the job, he needs to be given plenty of time and sensible targets.

[Badger]

11 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Winchester City 4-3 Hayes and Yeading. Top table, capital of England you'll never sing that ! Cam Bragg was at game. 

Is his brother playing for them ? I last read he was at Eastleigh.

Pleased for Winchester City. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Teamsaint1 said:

United should have gone for a huge name , tasked with re- setting the club when Fergie left. If Poch gets the job, he needs to be given plenty of time and sensible targets.

Poch will fall out with Wilcox unless he’s given a free rein there. 

[die Mannyschaft]

13 hours ago, Turkish said:

Used to play for them many moons ago. Good too see them doing so well 

I had a trail with them in 80s

[die Mannyschaft]

13 hours ago, Teamsaint1 said:

United should have gone for a huge name , tasked with re- setting the club when Fergie left. If Poch gets the job, he needs to be given plenty of time and sensible targets.

Man U would be better off joining with Man City one spends £1bn on players the other in debt by £1bn from spending on players who aren't very good. New actually mentioned Potch coached at Saints normally managers and players have thier time at Saints erased. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Man U would be better off joining with Man City one spends £1bn on players the other in debt by £1bn from spending on players who aren't very good. New actually mentioned Potch coached at Saints normally managers and players have thier time at Saints erased. 

All part of Wilcox's plan to bring in Russ. Poch is just him ticking off the ex-Saints manager box. 🙂

[Britannia]

Carrick sacked.  Omg I never saw it coming.

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Britannia said:

Carrick sacked.  Omg I never saw it coming.

Bet he is relieved. Nice pay off, still loved by Utd fans. Poch is a good appointment but plenty of decent managers have failed there.

[East Kent Saint]

Poch must have had guarantees about his areas of control esp after his Spurs exit ? Once again only time will tell ….

[Window Cleaner]

1 hour ago, East Kent Saint said:

Poch must have had guarantees about his areas of control esp after his Spurs exit ? Once again only time will tell ….

Dépends how he goes about sorting out their defence and défensive midfield.

Yoro and Heaven aren't good enough, Maguire is a dick and Martinez is a nutjob. DM is non existant really.

Big job..

[Badger]

1 hour ago, East Kent Saint said:

Poch must have had guarantees about his areas of control esp after his Spurs exit ? Once again only time will tell ….

Can’t see Poch being answerable to Wilcox or accepting him in charge of recruitment.
 

If Ratcliffe was looking for a reset he should be showing Wilcox the door, and bringing in someone his manager can work with. What’s Paul Mitchell up to these days ? (Seem to recall he left a couple of clubs under a cloud so perhaps not still the shooting star that he once was). 

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Britannia said:

Carrick sacked.  Omg I never saw it coming.

Very poor handling of events by Utd. Although this was predictable last season even , Carrick has acted with a degree of dignity throughout. But poor sod was publicity undermined by players beneath him, and had Wilcox and another pulling strings elsewhere.

 

[Badger]

Sage also now gone at Palace. 

[Window Cleaner]

16 minutes ago, Badger said:

Very poor handling of events by Utd. Although this was predictable last season even , Carrick has acted with a degree of dignity throughout. But poor sod was publicity undermined by players beneath him, and had Wilcox and another pulling strings elsewhere.

 

Yes, very poor, as was their recruitment this summer. Baleba and Tielmans cost far more than their worth . Carrick apparently wanted Rogers and Anderson. Mind you on some of his showings at City,Anderson isn't the answer to many questions. Too slow.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

5 hours ago, Window Cleaner said:

Dépends how he goes about sorting out their defence and défensive midfield.

Yoro and Heaven aren't good enough, Maguire is a dick and Martinez is a nutjob. DM is non existant really.

Big job..

I remember Poch saying he'd need 6 weeks to implement his system. That was with a group who could be worked with. The disjointed, mentally brittle players there may take longer.  I like Poch, but the entertainment value is watching them still struggle.

Paying ludicrous amounts for the likes of Anthony, and selling McTominay to get home grown money. Silly club.

4 hours ago, Badger said:

Very poor handling of events by Utd. Although this was predictable last season even , Carrick has acted with a degree of dignity throughout. But poor sod was publicity undermined by players beneath him, and had Wilcox and another pulling strings elsewhere.

 

Seemingly leaks about what Wilcox's recommendations were. Poor form.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Badger said:

Sage also now gone at Palace. 

I thought he'd get more thyme.

[Weston Super Saint]

10 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I thought he'd get more thyme.

He stopped currying favour and the atmospher got quite spicy.

[East Kent Saint]

Posh really needs a decent hair stylist to be taken seriously 😄

[LeG]

Lee Parsley now fav for the job. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 minutes ago, LeG said:

Lee Parsley now fav for the job. 

I heard he'd taken over at FC Basil.

[LeG]

4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I heard he'd taken over at FC Basil.

It was close but the dill fell through

[SuperSAINT]

4 minutes ago, LeG said:

It was close but the dill fell through

Shame, he would’ve been absolutely mint.

[Badger]

Palace fans on phone-in getting quite impatient for them to announce the replacement. Franks been mentioned but last caller asked “is he cumin or what ?”

[Badger]

8 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

Poch must have had guarantees about his areas of control esp after his Spurs exit ? Once again only time will tell ….

Needs the beard to go full Lego 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Palace fans on phone-in getting quite impatient for them to announce the replacement. Franks been mentioned but last caller asked “is he cumin or what ?”

Sounds like they don't know their onions.

[Lord Duckhunter]

18 hours ago, Badger said:

Can’t see Poch being answerable to Wilcox or accepting him in charge of recruitment.

According to some reports Wilcox wanted Eddie Howe & Poch was the Glaziers choice. Some bod  with links to them was paying his salary for The US national team. If true, Wilcox could well be on his bike….

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

According to some reports Wilcox wanted Eddie Howe & Poch was the Glaziers choice. Some bod  with links to them was paying his salary for The US national team. If true, Wilcox could well be on his bike….

"I see myself as a manager" Wilcox's preferred style is going to be steamrollered by Poch. He may have a period early on, with the team struggling, as Poch's ideas settle in. It will be a time where he would be wise to not interfere with the tactics.

Having said that, it could be a long season regardless. They do look as though most sides have overtaken them. Again, Wilcox should be looking closer to home, before meddling.

[Window Cleaner]

23 hours ago, Badger said:

Sage also now gone at Palace. 

Was never up to the PL anyway.

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

"I see myself as a manager" Wilcox's preferred style is going to be steamrollered by Poch. He may have a period early on, with the team struggling, as Poch's ideas settle in. It will be a time where he would be wise to not interfere with the tactics.

Having said that, it could be a long season regardless. They do look as though most sides have overtaken them. Again, Wilcox should be looking closer to home, before meddling.

He's a genius to be fair. Landed a job at one of the worlds biggest clubs where he has a lot of the power but none of the responsibility. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He's a genius to be fair. Landed a job at one of the worlds biggest clubs where he has a lot of the power but none of the responsibility. 

How dare those pesky supporters call him out for it. 🙂

It's another reason he wanted Russ. Each would have known the other had failed upwards, and they could protect each other inside the club.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

The beeb put up a table showing Carrick's overall position since he took over last season.

I was a little surprised to see Man Utd so high, after their poor start. It shows they were happy to be taken in by his overachievement, last season, using as a reason not to overhaul things.

Classy farewell message too. He can leave with his head high.

 

Premier League table since Michael Carrick became manager

 

 

Position	Team	Played	Points
1	Arsenal	27	63
2	Manchester City	27	56
3	Manchester United	27	47
4	Brighton and Hove Albion	27	46
5	Bournemouth	27	46
6	Liverpool	27	43
7	Leeds United	27	39
8	Chelsea	27	37
9	Everton	27	36
10	Aston Villa	27	35
11	Brentford	27	34

 

Use the column header buttons to sort columns by ascending or descending orderCurrently not sorted

Position	Team	Played	Points
1	Arsenal	27	63
2	Manchester City	27	56
3	Manchester United	27	47
4	Brighton and Hove Albion	27	46
5	Bournemouth	27	46
6	Liverpool	27	43
7	Leeds United	27	39
8	Chelsea	27	37
9	Everton	27	36
10	Aston Villa	27	35
11	Brentford	27	34
12	Nottingham Forest	27	32
13	Sunderland	27	32
14	Fulham	27	31
15	Newcastle United	27	29
16	Tottenham Hotspur	27	26
17	West Ham United	17	25
18	Crystal Palace	27	24
19	Wolverhampton Wanderers	17	13
20	Hull City	10	11
21	Ipswich Town	10	11
22	Coventry City	10	9
23	Burnley	17	9

[Turkish]

I thought Cortese found him and liked how he carried himself on the touchline?

 

[RedArmy]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I thought Cortese found him and liked how he carried himself on the touchline?

 

I’m not sure where any of what Les Reed said makes that untrue? 
 

The story I remember is that Cortese went out on one of the scouting missions for Coutinho during our second promotion season and decided then and there that he wanted Poch to replace Adkins at the end of the season and had to be talked out of it because the fans wouldn’t accept it. 
 

As soon as Poch was sacked the wheels were put into motion. I can’t remember why it took so long to get it done, especially as the timing of it made it worse (as nobody could see into the future or really knew who he was at the time and Adkins was loved) because performances and results had picked up. 
 

[The Kraken]

13 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

I’m not sure where any of what Les Reed said makes that untrue? 
 

The story I remember is that Cortese went out on one of the scouting missions for Coutinho during our second promotion season and decided then and there that he wanted Poch to replace Adkins at the end of the season and had to be talked out of it because the fans wouldn’t accept it. 
 

As soon as Poch was sacked the wheels were put into motion. I can’t remember why it took so long to get it done, especially as the timing of it made it worse (as nobody could see into the future or really knew who he was at the time and Adkins was loved) because performances and results had picked up. 
 

Well that’s one story I suppose.

Another is that Cortese was set on Roberto di Matteo in the promotion summer. Talks were had, little Nic was sold on RdM, but he couldn’t get the deal over the line and so we kicked off the season with Nigel Adkin’s knowing he was a dead man walking but with no one chosen to step into his shoes.

[Turkish]

8 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Well that’s one story I suppose.

Another is that Cortese was set on Roberto di Matteo in the promotion summer. Talks were had, little Nic was sold on RdM, but he couldn’t get the deal over the line and so we kicked off the season with Nigel Adkin’s knowing he was a dead man walking but with no one chosen to step into his shoes.

Is the right answer 

this was after Cortese had to be talked out of sacking Adkin’s after we lost the Reading game at home in the championship. Adkins was a dead man walking from then on. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Turkish

[RedArmy]

11 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Well that’s one story I suppose.

Another is that Cortese was set on Roberto di Matteo in the promotion summer. Talks were had, little Nic was sold on RdM, but he couldn’t get the deal over the line and so we kicked off the season with Nigel Adkin’s knowing he was a dead man walking but with no one chosen to step into his shoes.

The same Di Matteo that had just won the champions league with Chelsea? 
 

Yeah that’s far more believable   “Talks were had”

I bet they lasted long. 

[skintsaint]

15 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

The same Di Matteo that had just won the champions league with Chelsea? 
 

Yeah that’s far more believable   “Talks were had”

I bet they lasted long. 

RdM was sacked a bt of time before Atkins wasn't he? Doesn't tie in with the summer part I give you that. 😅

[RedArmy]

Just now, skintsaint said:

RdM was sacked a bt of time before Atkins wasn't he? Doesn't tie in with the summer part I give you that. 😅

So Cortese loved him so much and he was available when Adkins was sacked but he chose another manager entirely. 
 

Makes sense I guess. 
 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Cortese was full of shit.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

So Cortese loved him so much and he was available when Adkins was sacked but he chose another manager entirely. 
 

Makes sense I guess. 
 

IIRC correct he tried to get him that summer but Chelsea made him permanent then he was sacked in the November by Chelsea but was still being paid up a crazy amount for another year or so and the deal couldn’t get done 

kraken is right on this one. It was a long time ago so dates might be slightly off but 100% Cortese wanted him and tried to get him twice. That’s when we turned to Pochetino. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Turkish

[skintsaint]

5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

So Cortese loved him so much and he was available when Adkins was sacked but he chose another manager entirely. 
 

Makes sense I guess. 
 

maybe they weren't too impressed after he flunked that start to the season? I dunno, i'm just speculating. Don't really matter now at the end of the day 😅

[RedArmy]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

IIRC correct he tried to get him that summer but Chelsea made him permanent 

Not really surprising when he’d just been in charge of their first champions league win, was it? 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

Not really surprising when he’d just been in charge of their first champions league win, was it? 

Well no but that doesn’t mean he didn’t try. di Matteo was only temporary manager when they won the champions league he wasn’t made permanent in the summer and only lasted 4 months. Then he tried again at the end of the year as Di Matteo had been sacked by then but like I said he was being paid a serious wedge which he’d have lost if he’d have joined us. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Turkish

[RedArmy]

One thing is for sure, if Les Reed says “we” he almost certainly had very little to do with it. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

One thing is for sure, if Les Reed says “we” he almost certainly had very little to do with it. 

Les Reed was actually good for Cortese, stopped him making a few stupid decisions, like sacking Adkins after the Reading game. Reeds issues started when Koeman left as he thought he’d cracked the code of football. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

I listened to a Les Reed interview not that long ago where he was very repetitive in and detailed about talking how they nearly got Coutinho.

But glossed over the moments we efficiently got Vestergaard, Carillo, Hoedt etc. Not a single mention. 😂

[saintant]

Japan currently lead Brazil 2-1 but Matsuki is not in the squad.