Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Surely we can't have ever in our entire history been this bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Yes and no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 You haven't seen next season yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I think we are probably in real danger of becoming the laughing stock of the CCC - a bit like Derby did in the Prem last year. We are that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We should be used to being a laughing stock by now. Every other clubs fans think our club is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Surely we can't have ever in our entire history been this bad. I can't be bothered to look up stats Stanley but, if I remember correctly, in the early 70s we somehow stayed up with 6 wins all season - 3 at home and 3 away! Admittedly that was in a 42 game season. I can only assume we drew a record amount or that the two teams below us were diabolical. Of course, with us having already equalled that number of wins already I'm sure you'll agree we probably only need one more to be safe again this season? (Even that may be asking too much at this rate anyway!) Apart from the fluke stats, no we have certainly not been remotely this bad in my 40 years of following us. Oh! Except last year wasn't exactly great either but I didn't realise it could get THIS much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 After about 10 games it was the worst home season ever, it hasn't improved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 We should be used to being a laughing stock by now. Every other clubs fans think our club is a joke. I think you'll find that every other fan is more worried about their own club then laughing at ours. If anything this club is bringing its own supporters to tears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 stupid blo*dy question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc6mufc3 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 There are 92 clubs in the football league. There are two teams who have only won once at home - Barnet are 1 and we are the other. This is why we are going down. Why did we gamble on youngsters to keep us in the division? This is why we are going down. Why did we loan out our top scorers and other experienced players to our rivals? This is why we are going down. Why did we employ a management team who know nothing about the championship? This is why we are going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Surely we can't have ever in our entire history been this bad. well 1952-53 was a bad season. We went down that year from Old Div.2 being second from bottom. Despite scoring 68 goals...we won only 10 games and our our defence leaked in 85 and didn't have much coordination either. (Plymouth only scored 65 that year but they managed to finish .........4th.) of course, 1973-74 was also a bad season. We won only 10 games of 42. It was all the fault of that new manager Lawrie McMenemy. We should have got rid of him at the time. Everyone said we'd never get back up to the top flight, or win anything with him ! and sadly ..our recent (costly) demotion from the Prem. cause a few to shed tears........off hand can't think of too many more downers....except losing the Cup Final to Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 A few to choose from since the war 1969/70 fewest home wins - W3 D12 L6 1952/53 2nd fewest home wins & = 2nd most defeats - W5 D7 L9 1993/94 - most defeats - W9 D2 L10 1991/92 -= 2nd most defeats - W7 D5 L9 & 2008/09 - set to break all records W1 D7 L8...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Well old Judas jellyfish said we needed continuity with Wotte at the helm so at least one person was correct on Tuesday night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 We should be used to being a laughing stock by now. Every other clubs fans think our club is a joke. I wish. The only person in my office who even cares about Saints is a Charlton fan (aside from me of course!). The only fans I know who think we're a laughing stock are some Donny fans who ****ed themselves laughing at the fans fighting amongst themselves. Let's face it - we're not a Leeds spectaculary exploding in the public eye we're just quietly destroying ourselves with infighting over arguments nobody else understands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 ....There are 92 clubs in the football league. There are two teams who have only won once at home - Barnet are 1 and we are the other. This is why we are going down. Why did we gamble on youngsters to keep us in the division? WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. Why did we loan out our top scorers and other experienced players to our rivals? WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. Why did we employ a management team who know nothing about the championship? WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. It really is as simple & boring as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. It really is as simple & boring as that Lack of money isn't necessarily the only reason. There are teams in the Premiership who comparitively are as poor as us against their rivals, as indeed there are other teams in this division who aren't exactly awash with cash either. But they get by because the board allows the manager to use his experience of the division to get in a decent blend of young and older players who have certain attributes which will hold the team in good stead at this level. They also have boards where most fans don't even know or care who is on them and fan friendly attitudes so that prices are fixed at levels to maximise attendances to gain most revenue. We are going down because our performances on the pitch are worse than those of our rivals. That is the main reason, not money. It really is as simple and boring as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. It really is as simple & boring as that No, thats not the problem. Other clubs have no money and are not in the same situation as us. Having no money does not mean employing crap managers, or loaning out good players. Lack of money is an excuse peddled by Lowe. It is not the reason we will get relegated. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. It really is as simple & boring as that So the 3 poorest clubs in this division are going down? There was me thinking it had something to do with the 3 promoting from within! In our case for the 4th time even though the last 3 times failed abysmally. How many of those 3 went for a ridiculous Dutch experiment? I bet a couple of the bottom clubs bought in cheap loans that didnt work but 6? There are clubs in this league that play with younger members in the squad than we have but how many were totally reliant on them? How many clubs loan out their top goalscorer from the previous season.....but do it 2 seasons running! How many clubs not only loan out their top goalscorer but also nearly every other proven forward they have. But as you say its because we have no money but we do have a chairman who is a good businessman....my arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Lack of money isn't necessarily the only reason. There are teams in the Premiership who comparitively are as poor as us against their rivals, as indeed there are other teams in this division who aren't exactly awash with cash either. But they get by because the board allows the manager to use his experience of the division to get in a decent blend of young and older players who have certain attributes which will hold the team in good stead at this level. They also have boards where most fans don't even know or care who is on them and fan friendly attitudes so that prices are fixed at levels to maximise attendances to gain most revenue. We are going down because our performances on the pitch are worse than those of our rivals. That is the main reason, not money. It really is as simple and boring as that. Lack of money IS the reason and the only reason. Other clubs may be just as poor as us granted but their meagre wealth is evenly distributed over the mass of the core player's salaries; ie Swansea. Our problem is that even if,with our home gates averaging 15/16K,we are turning a buck at the gate(or in STs) that mass is not available to pay players on a homogeneous basis because before you can start paying players to play you have to pay the dead wood that hangs about in the treatment room or aren't playing up to the ability they used to have.We have high earners either not playing or playing badly and sporadically.That's not the managements fault or the coach's.It's because they are fallen stars who rob us of the wherewithal to pay players of CCC standard.Don't give me guff about the management having ****ed them off, they've all been given chances and have not produced on a regular basis. I think the true salary range for a solid CCC player is around 4-5K/wk. Anyone paid more than that who is not performing, not scoring or not saving our arse on a weekly basis is stopping us recruiting players who will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. It really is as simple & boring as that Rubbish. There are plenty of reasons why poor management, poor tactics, poor team selections and substitutions have cost us vital points. As has been well documented on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Surely we can't have ever in our entire history been this bad. What d'ya reckon? You know it is. Let's not dwell on the nightmare we're in too much. It's not healthy. Distance yourself from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I've got to say, there may be some credence to this. The 3 poorest teams (moneywise) are:- Us Charlton Watford Or is that just a coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I've got to say, there may be some credence to this. The 3 poorest teams (moneywise) are:- Us Charlton Watford Or is that just a coincidence? Meaning we have the most debt or the least revenue? If it's the latter I don't think it's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Meaning we have the most debt or the least revenue? If it's the latter I don't think it's the case. Highest debt to turnover ratio. EG: the banks are getting itchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 As a very long suffering Saints supporter since my very first match in 1948 as a kiddy-wink, I can say from all my watching over the many ensuing decades that this season has seen some of the most inept displays ever by a group of players wearing our Red & White Stripes. Honestly, I cannot recall anything worse. We always had a local star to lift us but no longer it seems. Le Tiss may well have been the last of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Lack of money IS the reason and the only reason. Other clubs may be just as poor as us granted but their meagre wealth is evenly distributed over the mass of the core player's salaries; ie Swansea. Blimey, so you have the contract details of all Swansea's players to hand? How did you get them? Should we inform the police that you have stolen commercial information because I doubt Swansea gave them to you. And not only Swansea but all the other clubs as poor as us to boot! And didn't you miss typing FACT in your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 WE HAVE NO MONEY This is why we are going down. It really is as simple & boring as that Oh, you poor, simple-minded person. But, if it were the case, I wish the league would look at all the clubs' accounts at the beginning of the season, arrange them in order of descending finances, relegate the bottom three and put us all out of our misery in the first week of August and let us get on with our lives stress-free. If only life were that simple - now THAT would be 'boring'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Lack of money IS the reason and the only reason. Other clubs may be just as poor as us granted but their meagre wealth is evenly distributed over the mass of the core player's salaries; ie Swansea. Our problem is that even if,with our home gates averaging 15/16K,we are turning a buck at the gate(or in STs) that mass is not available to pay players on a homogeneous basis because before you can start paying players to play you have to pay the dead wood that hangs about in the treatment room or aren't playing up to the ability they used to have.We have high earners either not playing or playing badly and sporadically.That's not the managements fault or the coach's.It's because they are fallen stars who rob us of the wherewithal to pay players of CCC standard.Don't give me guff about the management having ****ed them off, they've all been given chances and have not produced on a regular basis. I think the true salary range for a solid CCC player is around 4-5K/wk. Anyone paid more than that who is not performing, not scoring or not saving our arse on a weekly basis is stopping us recruiting players who will. I thought that you were more intelligent than that, but will have to revise my opinion. I really can't be arsed to go into more detail, as the original statement made by Sid was that lack money was the only reason we are we are. You concur with that statement. You give a few reasons in a vain attmept to support you premise, but the premise is full of holes to begin with and cannot stand up by itself. The couple of posts after mine are far more sensibly made than both yours and Sid's. Even your assertion that the wages are more evenly distributed across the team at other clubs is a total red herring. Of course there are players with more experience and ability who usually earn more than a raw youngster who is developing. We certainly have plenty of those. As for the low gates, they would improve substantially if 1) the team was winning with regularity 2) the prices were more reasonable 3) the team comprised bigger name experienced footballers, playing more entertaining football. Most feel cheated paying Premiership prices to watch last season's youth. So plenty of other reasons why it is NOT that simple, nor just the reason that you say that we have no money. Those who say that something like this is simple are usually the simple ones themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 There are 92 clubs in the football league. There are two teams who have only won once at home - Barnet are 1 and we are the other. This is why we are going down. Why did we gamble on youngsters to keep us in the division? This is why we are going down. Why did we loan out our top scorers and other experienced players to our rivals? This is why we are going down. Why did we employ a management team who know nothing about the championship? This is why we are going down. Yep, that about sums it up and also that we are run by a plc which deters investors putting money into the club and opens up the opportunity for power struggles in the Boardroom, as we have seen since relegation from the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I've got to say, there may be some credence to this. The 3 poorest teams (moneywise) are:- Us Charlton Watford Or is that just a coincidence? that assessment is a bit far fetched TBF. the main deciding factor in the "poor-category" affecting performances,is the budget for player wages. and in this category neither us,Watford or Charlton are down the basement. there are lots of clubs having much smaller wage-budgets than ours..and thus presumably should have poorer players..! unfortunately,the conclusion from that theory doesnt materialize on the pitch ! lower paid players/teams outperform us...aaaaaarg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I think you'll find that every other fan is more worried about their own club then laughing at ours. If anything this club is bringing its own supporters to tearsto true you got to read some of these nonsence threads to see why they think some are of their trolley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 (edited) Oh, you poor, simple-minded person. But, if it were the case, I wish the league would look at all the clubs' accounts at the beginning of the season, arrange them in order of descending finances, relegate the bottom three and put us all out of our misery in the first week of August and let us get on with our lives stress-free. If only life were that simple - now THAT would be 'boring'. He has a point though - if you were to arrange the clubs as you suggest we would be relegated. I believe we have the second biggest debt burden in this division. addendum... The 3 sides to go down purely on finances would be Charlton, Southampton and Sheffield Wednesday. Two out of three ain't bad. http://mag.talksport.net/1R496782495aad0012.cde Seriously you can't discount finances and blame it all on Lowe and his dodgy Dutch experiment. addendum 2 Whoops missed Derby! We'd still be relegated but Charlton would escape by the skin on their teeth. Edited 5 February, 2009 by SaintDonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 He has a point though - if you were to arrange the clubs as you suggest we would be relegated. I believe we have the second biggest debt burden in this division. addendum... The 3 sides to go down purely on finances would be Charlton, Southampton and Sheffield Wednesday. Two out of three ain't bad. http://mag.talksport.net/1R496782495aad0012.cde Seriously you can't discount finances and blame it all on Lowe and his dodgy Dutch experiment. addendum 2 Whoops missed Derby! We'd still be relegated but Charlton would escape by the skin on their teeth. I suppose Man U ,Liverpool and Chelsea would be relegated from the PL then,going by your logic..? whatever next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 .... The no money is a red herring. When you have little money you have a choice. You PRIORITISE. That means you need to understand that the order of importance in a football club is: BEST MANAGER Available for the money BEST players available to the manager at his choosing within the budget. Whatever your club, whatever the size, that model works. Over and over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I suppose Man U ,Liverpool and Chelsea would be relegated from the PL then,going by your logic..? whatever next. *sigh* do try to keep up [a] it wasn't my logic it was means of determining the relegation places as suggested by Victor. I was merely pointing out that as a scheme for predicting relegation from the Championship it's not going to be far out. As you well know income also comes into it. Debt as a percentage of turnover would be a better measure but frankly I couldn't be arsed to do any more than the minimal research of just looking at the previous thread we had on here. Now run along dear and play in the traffic with the other children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 We should be used to being a laughing stock by now. Every other clubs fans think our club is a joke. Can I just say thank you for undertaking this concise survey of "every other clubs fans." It must have been exhausting to complete. What is every clubs fans view on favourite pie fillings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Let's face it - we're not a Leeds spectaculary exploding in the public eye we're just quietly destroying ourselves with infighting over arguments nobody else understands. Thats the sadest indictment of them all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 We should be used to being a laughing stock by now. Every other clubs fans think our club is a joke. Well I doubt this is true... most will be saying 'there but for the grace....' but even if it were, when did what other clubs fans think have anything to do with it? Only if your 'ego' is so fragile that it needs some sort of artificial proping up by the 'club' - 'my club's bigger than yours na na nana na' Dont give a flying feck what anyone else thinks of us personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 *sigh* do try to keep up [a] it wasn't my logic it was means of determining the relegation places as suggested by Victor. I was merely pointing out that as a scheme for predicting relegation from the Championship it's not going to be far out. As you well know income also comes into it. Debt as a percentage of turnover would be a better measure but frankly I couldn't be arsed to do any more than the minimal research of just looking at the previous thread we had on here. Now run along dear and play in the traffic with the other children. so in other words..your stats/scheme are just as insignificant and totally irrelevant as your contribution on this message board. next time,do engage brain before fingers please,or get off your lazy fat arse and do some research before posting absolute drivel. oh..and btw,Mr clueless muppet: even if you look at debt versus income,United and Liverpool would still be furthest down the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 As was said above, it's not just about lack of money, it's how it is and was distributed across our squad. If what we've read is true - Euell, Thomas, Skacel, John, Rasiak, Saganowski, BWP, Davies, Dyer collectively would take about £4million a year to pay for which is why we HAD to offload some of those, and I bet we are still paying half of Rasiak & John's wages because it is better than paying all of them. Consequently we HAD to play kids (even Crouch admitted that), we had to take a cheap manager & we HAD to try & freeze out some of the other high earners to try & get them off the books. The whole atmosphere must be depressing for the players - I've worked in companies in the muddle Saints are in and lack of motivation and pessimism are endemic. I agree that so-called smaller clubs are doing better than us, but they on that under-dog rush that we used to have in the Prem at the Dell. I bet the mood is not that different at Charlton or Sheff Wed. And if Poopey go down (please God) the sh1t they will be in next year is going to make ours look like nothing. I cannot be arsed to apportion blame but our reality is driven by a lack of cash whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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