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"I am very pleased to be here at Southampton," said Liptak.

 

Of that, I have no doubt. ;)

 

"We got clearance on Thursday and we have two Reserve matches next week, so I think it's best for Zoltan to play a couple of games like that first to get used to the players and the system," Wotte said, making his first excuse to get out of his original claim that he would only sign players, "Better than we already have."

 

Liptak also knows what lies in store in English football, having spent time with Essex side, Southend United in the 2007-08 season.

 

But the OS still fails to mention the fact that he never actually played a match for Southend's first team, or that he was subsequently loaned out the Stevenage Borough, were he also failed to hold down a first team place.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Anyway, I'm off to read my Pravda - it's stories give a more balanced view than those on the OS! ;)

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How did I guess that was an OS spin story from the thread title?

 

I feel a bit sorry for the new guy in charge of the site. Jordan is on a hiding to nothing... "Yes, Mr Lowe, three bags full of crap Sir! And published Sir, just as you wanted Sir."

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I think it's just a Lowe ploy to smuggle in eastern europeans to work in a sandwich factory.

 

I understand Lowe's ploy to take advantage of EU employment rules but I suspect Stanley may have hit the nail on the head. Sandwich factory workers are not decent footballers normally.

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lets give him a chance - all signings thus far have been poor or average so heres hoping he's an unexpected diamond!

 

Don't get me wrong, I hope he turns out to be a mixture of Rio Ferdinand and John Terry, only twice as good the pair of them put together.

 

However, his previous (last season's!) achievements would indicate otherwise.

 

Oh, and yes, this was more a dig at the OS than at Zoltan. But I will be keeping a 'weather eye' on his progress. ;)

 

Match 1 - played at SMS for Ujpest, helping them to conceed 5 goals against Saints a few weeks back.

 

Iknow, I know, you don't believe that any team could conceed 5 goals against Saints at SMS, especially this season, but it's true. DMG 2, Spiderman, Pulis (who?) and Gasmi (who?) were the scorers.

 

I notice the OS didn't mention anything about the match, result, who played, scorers, etc in the Liptak article (or anywhere else) simply that, 'Liptak's parent club, Ujpest FC, are currently lying in second place in the Hungarian top flight and recently played Saints in a 'behind-closed doors' friendly at St. Mary's.'

 

I wonder why they wouldn't want to shout that sore from the rooftops?

 

:rolleyes:

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I understand Lowe's ploy to take advantage of EU employment rules but I suspect Stanley may have hit the nail on the head. Sandwich factory workers are not decent footballers normally.

 

But they don't have to be as they are still very productive cheap labour in the sandwich factory.No doubt lured into it by false promises of carving a better life as a professional footballer.

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lets give him a chance - all signings thus far have been poor or average so heres hoping he's an unexpected diamond!

 

agree some poor (not getting in team or loans sent back) some inconsistent (Scheiderlin) but think Saeijs is a good signing, and Holmes.

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Don't get me wrong, I hope he turns out to be a mixture of Rio Ferdinand and John Terry, only twice as good the pair of them put together.

 

However, his previous (last season's!) achievements would indicate otherwise.

 

Oh, and yes, this was more a dig at the OS than at Zoltan. But I will be keeping a 'weather eye' on his progress. ;)

 

Match 1 - played at SMS for Ujpest, helping them to conceed 5 goals against Saints a few weeks back.

 

 

 

:rolleyes:

 

In the clubs defence,we once signed a goalkeeper from Wolves who had earlier conceded nine goals in one match at The Dell.

 

Not that I'm overwhelmed with this signing;but possibly on par or better than Pulis ?

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Will have to give the lad a chance and see what he's about.

 

I'm hoping he'll be a similar player to Saeijs but looking at his past record, it doesn't inspire you with confidence.

 

Still, as I've said, I shall wait to see him play before I judge him.

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But they don't have to be as they are still very productive cheap labour in the sandwich factory.No doubt lured into it by false promises of carving a better life as a professional footballer.

 

Next time I grab a Gregg's tuna & mayo I shall wonder which failed football player spat in it!

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How did I guess that was an OS spin story from the thread title?

 

I feel a bit sorry for the new guy in charge of the site. Jordan is on a hiding to nothing... "Yes, Mr Lowe, three bags full of crap Sir! And published Sir, just as you wanted Sir."

 

I'm pretty sure it's James who's in charge of the site, and indeed the matchday program...

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I'm pretty sure it's James who's in charge of the site, and indeed the matchday program...

 

So, not only has Lloyd been played out of position at RB all season but he's being made to write the OS and matchday programme as well?

 

Next you'll be telling me that Fortune, Molyneux, Pulis, McGoldrick, Gobern and McLaggon all have to clean the stadium before and after matches; That Spiderman, Surman and Lallana work in the ticket office; And that Wotton was signed to replace Lacka as the club's head painter and decorator, and that it was he who asked for Zoltan to be signed because it was cheaper than getting a new step-ladder!

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Think maybe people are being a touch unfair to Lipstick. Seems quite clear to me he was signed as cover, our first choice centre backs are Perry and Seijs now. Lancashire is also (emergency) cover. With Killer now seemingly finished it was important to have some specialist cover, unlikely that Perry and Seijs will manage evry remaining game.

 

Lipstick has played 15 times for Hungary u21 (although he is now 24) and made 26 appearances for Ujpest (he has only been there since June). Now Ujpest may not be the greatest team in the world, but 2nd in the top division in Hungary is probably still at least as good as mid table CCC (better than us in other words). For a cover thats OK, as long as he is fit, and has decent ability. His proposed transfer to Southend seemingly ended mysteriously, no hint that he wasn't good enough, Tilson said he desparately wanted to sign him.

 

I am as critical as anyone how this club is being run, but criticising Lipstick before he has even played is out of order in my book, I would expect we will only see him play a handful of times if one of the others is unavailable, he can't be any worse than the guy from Reading last year (sorry dementia setting in), and in the end he turned out to be quite good.

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Think maybe people are being a touch unfair to Lipstick. Seems quite clear to me he was signed as cover, our first choice centre backs are Perry and Seijs now. Lancashire is also (emergency) cover. With Killer now seemingly finished it was important to have some specialist cover, unlikely that Perry and Seijs will manage evry remaining game.

 

Lipstick has played 15 times for Hungary u21 (although he is now 24) and made 26 appearances for Ujpest (he has only been there since June). Now Ujpest may not be the greatest team in the world, but 2nd in the top division in Hungary is probably still at least as good as mid table CCC (better than us in other words). For a cover thats OK, as long as he is fit, and has decent ability. His proposed transfer to Southend seemingly ended mysteriously, no hint that he wasn't good enough, Tilson said he desparately wanted to sign him.

 

I am as critical as anyone how this club is being run, but criticising Lipstick before he has even played is out of order in my book, I would expect we will only see him play a handful of times if one of the others is unavailable, he can't be any worse than the guy from Reading last year (sorry dementia setting in), and in the end he turned out to be quite good.

 

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I love the fact that he says 'it has been a dream of mine to play in the Championship'. Really? Not just in England, but specifically the championship?

 

Give the lad a chance. He might be decent, he might. I think until he plays, no-one knows.

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Well what a c**t, how dare he sign for us and say he is happy to be here.

 

How dare he not be as good as vidic or ferdinand, in fact why have we not signed one of them?

 

If you see him in the street through eggs at him and his family and abuse them, he is s**t!!

 

No, I haven't seen him play yet either!!

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Southend want their £50,000 back after he walked away from them because he was not getting a first team game. Apparently he was not good enough.. Maybe he will promise to pay this back himself.

 

Just like JP did to Helmond.

 

My own view is that a couple of reserve games will not tell you everything but at least they will have a clue by then.

 

I do hope for the sake of the CCC strikers that Liptak is made of chocolate as they will eat him alive.

 

He is due to make his debut about the same time as Pulis.

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Wotte said on te radio on Tuesday that we had signed him as cover because we only have Saeijs, Perry & Lancashire at CB. He hardly bigged him up and I guess he was about as far as our budget stretched, so give the poor lad a chance before we all turn against him

 

Quite, it's not exactly his fault we're skint and no-one in their right mind would want to join us.

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Wotte said on te radio on Tuesday that we had signed him as cover because we only have Saeijs, Perry & Lancashire at CB. He hardly bigged him up and I guess he was about as far as our budget stretched, so give the poor lad a chance before we all turn against him

 

So why, the day before we signed him, was Wotte quoted as saying,

 

"I don't want anyone who isn't better than the players we have," Wotte said. "It's no use bringing someone in just because the window is open. We can always bring someone in on loan afterwards.

 

"If I bring in a player from abroad it has to be someone who has proven his quality and had played at a certain level. Jan-Paul Saeijs was not a risky signing because we know him very well.

 

"It's always a risk to bring in someone so late in the season, so if we do that it has to be someone who has specific qualities, but we are looking for such a player."

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11296

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope he turns out to be a mixture of Rio Ferdinand and John Terry, only twice as good the pair of them put together. However, why quote Wotte as above and then bring in a player who failed to play a single game for the League 1 team he was at last season, and who was even dropped to the bench after a couple of appearances in the conference?

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I think most people are willing to give him a chance. Equally, however, most are fed up having to read inaccuracies, search for omissions and deal with the BS on the OS. Minsk is correct - Pravda isn't a patch on the OS.

but most people were happy to lap it up when kelvin said he wanted to stay....not one mention of OS bullshheet

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So why, the day before we signed him, was Wotte quoted as saying,

 

"I don't want anyone who isn't better than the players we have," Wotte said. "It's no use bringing someone in just because the window is open. We can always bring someone in on loan afterwards.

 

"If I bring in a player from abroad it has to be someone who has proven his quality and had played at a certain level. Jan-Paul Saeijs was not a risky signing because we know him very well.

 

"It's always a risk to bring in someone so late in the season, so if we do that it has to be someone who has specific qualities, but we are looking for such a player."

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11296

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope he turns out to be a mixture of Rio Ferdinand and John Terry, only twice as good the pair of them put together. However, why quote Wotte as above and then bring in a player who failed to play a single game for the League 1 team he was at last season, and who was even dropped to the bench after a couple of appearances in the conference?

 

Maybe he is in cover position one out of the two centre halves he now has as cover. That would mean that in his eyes he is better than at least one other player in his position currently at the club.

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Think maybe people are being a touch unfair to Lipstick. Seems quite clear to me he was signed as cover, our first choice centre backs are Perry and Seijs now. Lancashire is also (emergency) cover. With Killer now seemingly finished it was important to have some specialist cover, unlikely that Perry and Seijs will manage evry remaining game.

 

Lipstick has played 15 times for Hungary u21 (although he is now 24) and made 26 appearances for Ujpest (he has only been there since June). Now Ujpest may not be the greatest team in the world, but 2nd in the top division in Hungary is probably still at least as good as mid table CCC (better than us in other words). For a cover thats OK, as long as he is fit, and has decent ability. His proposed transfer to Southend seemingly ended mysteriously, no hint that he wasn't good enough, Tilson said he desparately wanted to sign him.

 

I am as critical as anyone how this club is being run, but criticising Lipstick before he has even played is out of order in my book, I would expect we will only see him play a handful of times if one of the others is unavailable, he can't be any worse than the guy from Reading last year (sorry dementia setting in), and in the end he turned out to be quite good.

 

I think you are being a tad harsh on Alan Bennett. Yes, he had a shocking bebut for us but got better. In all, over the past season and a half, he has played 10 games in the CCC and 37 in League 2.

 

During the same period Liptak failed to make the team ONCE in League 1 and only TWICE in a 2 month spell in the conference, as well as whatever he did in Hungary.

 

Now, I haven't seen Lipstick play, but judging their stats I would rather have had Bennett back.

 

You are right, of course, not to judge him until you have seen him play. And I am sure like me you want him to turn into our next Mark Wright, Claus, or Killer, but if it was announced we had signed a 6' 5" Belorusian CB called Vitaly Lubkov would you be saying the same thing?

 

I am sure you nothing about Vitaly so I would presume so. But maybe you would do a little research and come to a conclusion as to how good he is based on this. And then maybe you might compare the fact he has never played a professional match in his life with a statement from our 'head coach' that, 'we are looking for a player who has experience of a certain level' and 'who is better than we already have.'

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plymouth have a very good player they signed from non-league..he was an electrician and now plays for a mid table CCC club....

 

does that mean he is SH1T...?

 

didnt wolves sign kightley from non league too..?

 

both of those players are better than what two team above us already had..

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Well what a c**t, how dare he sign for us and say he is happy to be here.

 

How dare he not be as good as vidic or ferdinand, in fact why have we not signed one of them?

 

If you see him in the street through eggs at him and his family and abuse them, he is s**t!!

 

No, I haven't seen him play yet either!!

 

No one is expecting us to sign Vidic or Ferdinand or anyone even remotely close to their calibre. But this guy (apparently/statistically) isn't even as good as Peter Clark or Adam Barrett (Who?).

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No one is expecting us to sign Vidic or Ferdinand or anyone even remotely close to their calibre. But this guy (apparently/statistically) isn't even as good as Peter Clark or Adam Barrett (Who?).

 

Statistics and history mean nothing if we get him to play well at this level, you seem to have totally written him off before he's even kicked a ball in the reserves which is just childish madness, but then I guess he was signed by the axis of evil that runs the club so we must hate him like the devil himself.

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but most people were happy to lap it up when kelvin said he wanted to stay....not one mention of OS bullshheet

 

 

It's a tad different TDD. I do truly believe that Kelvin wants to stay.

 

Whereas on Jan 30th, the day before we signed Zoltan, Wotte told us:

 

"I don't want anyone who isn't better than the players we have," Wotte said. "It's no use bringing someone in just because the window is open. We can always bring someone in on loan afterwards.

 

"If I bring in a player from abroad it has to be someone who has proven his quality and had played at a certain level. Jan-Paul Saeijs was not a risky signing because we know him very well."

 

That's, 'better than THE PLAYERS we have' not 'better than another back-up who may be called upon to fill a role in the team.'

 

And

 

"Someone who has proven his ability" how/where has Zoltan proven any ability?

 

And then we get the, "Zoltan has experience of English football after his spell with Southend" omitting the fact that he never even managed to play a match for them for the whole season he was on their books, and was then loaned to a CONFERENCE team where he also failed to keep a place in the team.

 

The OS obviously think we are all totally fookin stoopid. This is the point I am making.

 

Oh, and yes I know of loads of non-league players who have been signed by professional clubs and gone on to good things, Andy Townsend is a good Saints example, so of course it is possible. But were their clubs hailing them as 'proven quality internationals' at the time?

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I think you are being a tad harsh on Alan Bennett. Yes, he had a shocking bebut for us but got better. In all, over the past season and a half, he has played 10 games in the CCC and 37 in League 2.

 

During the same period Liptak failed to make the team ONCE in League 1 and only TWICE in a 2 month spell in the conference, as well as whatever he did in Hungary.

 

Now, I haven't seen Lipstick play, but judging their stats I would rather have had Bennett back.

 

You are right, of course, not to judge him until you have seen him play. And I am sure like me you want him to turn into our next Mark Wright, Claus, or Killer, but if it was announced we had signed a 6' 5" Belorusian CB called Vitaly Lubkov would you be saying the same thing?

 

I am sure you nothing about Vitaly so I would presume so. But maybe you would do a little research and come to a conclusion as to how good he is based on this. And then maybe you might compare the fact he has never played a professional match in his life with a statement from our 'head coach' that, 'we are looking for a player who has experience of a certain level' and 'who is better than we already have.'

Not being harsh on Bennett at all (thanks for reminding me of his name), re-read my post and you will see that I was saying he was good after looking absolute crap in his first 2 games. Like you I may have preferred to have Bennett back, but that isn't happening, and never was going to.

 

I think the rest of your post is just complete drivel. Lipstick has played at a decent level (better than bottom of CCC) and is also Hungary u21 internatinal 15 times. He has been brought in as cover because we only had 3 recognised CBs. I don't expect him to be our next Mark Wright, I actually hope he never plays, because that would mean our first choice CBs Perry and Seijs are injured or suspended. There is no inconsistency between Wotte's stamenent and Lipstick joining - he is better than what we have, because we have nothing for 4th choice CB, and to be fair he is probably better than Olly currently is (he will be good one day).

Fair enough blasting Lowe and Wotte, i do it all the time, but find something valid to blast them for, there are plenty of things that fall into that category, and get off the back of a player who has come here to help out, won't be earning much money, probably won't play much

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thing is...maybe he is better than lancashire...ffs, it is not hard..

 

glad me never had such an attitude when parhars signed..

 

like i said, two teams above us (one well above us) have signed players from no where with no experience what so ever...did their fans slate him...certainly not down here in plymouth, cant speak for wolves fans..

 

even if he is not that good..would you rather we tried than not...?

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He sounds like Tomasz Vasko.

 

That legnedary piece of tansfer window time-wasting by Burley that ensured last season saw us start the campaign without a recognised CB.

 

What the hell, lets give the guy a chance.

 

So speaketh the man who castigated Burley for not actually signing Vasko and moaned like hell when he was singed by one of our CCC rivals.

 

:confused:

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In the clubs defence,we once signed a goalkeeper from Wolves who had earlier conceded nine goals in one match at The Dell.

 

Not that I'm overwhelmed with this signing;but possibly on par or better than Pulis ?

 

What kind of defence is that? Dave McLaren wasn't it?

If Hungry Zoltan is as successful as that signing, he'll be back to making sandwiches in May.

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So why, the day before we signed him, was Wotte quoted as saying,

 

"I don't want anyone who isn't better than the players we have," Wotte said. "It's no use bringing someone in just because the window is open. We can always bring someone in on loan afterwards.

 

"If I bring in a player from abroad it has to be someone who has proven his quality and had played at a certain level. Jan-Paul Saeijs was not a risky signing because we know him very well.

 

"It's always a risk to bring in someone so late in the season, so if we do that it has to be someone who has specific qualities, but we are looking for such a player."

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11296

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope he turns out to be a mixture of Rio Ferdinand and John Terry, only twice as good the pair of them put together. However, why quote Wotte as above and then bring in a player who failed to play a single game for the League 1 team he was at last season, and who was even dropped to the bench after a couple of appearances in the conference?

 

Because he was all that was available in our budget price-range with the specific quality of being a centre half

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http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11334

 

"I am very pleased to be here at Southampton," said Liptak.

 

Of that, I have no doubt. ;)

 

"We got clearance on Thursday and we have two Reserve matches next week, so I think it's best for Zoltan to play a couple of games like that first to get used to the players and the system," Wotte said, making his first excuse to get out of his original claim that he would only sign players, "Better than we already have."

 

Liptak also knows what lies in store in English football, having spent time with Essex side, Southend United in the 2007-08 season.

 

But the OS still fails to mention the fact that he never actually played a match for Southend's first team, or that he was subsequently loaned out the Stevenage Borough, were he also failed to hold down a first team place.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Anyway, I'm off to read my Pravda - it's stories give a more balanced view than those on the OS! ;)

 

LOL.... I thought I was getting cynical about Wotte, the OS and young players.

 

Spot on mind. :)

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