N/West Saint Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 Ok lets say we stay up this season, what happens next year? Do we just have another season in the bottom 6 fighting for survival hoping for that takeover to happen? Will Lowe go and let a new Chairman/Manager/Kit-man take charge? If he goes will the fans come back and if so how many do you think will return? Would you want Woote in charge from the beginning? (bearing in mind he would have kept us up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I think something has got to give!! The club needs money coming in and barring investment, the only way they are going to achieve that is fans going through the turnstiles! I personally believe the only way this will happen is if Lowe leaves and we start with a fresh slate! The other way is to build a team capable of challenging and constantly being in the top 8 playing attractive football! Fans will naturally wtch a successful team! Problems we have are no money, Lowe in charge and a team without the necessary experience to compete week in week out!! The only way it changes unfortunately is investment coinciding with the board leaving. without that, it will be the same as this year but worse, administration will be inevitable if it hasn't alreday happened because we can't sustain the losses. Big catch 22!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 Ok lets say we stay up this season, what happens next year? Do we just have another season in the bottom 6 fighting for survival hoping for that takeover to happen? Will Lowe go and let a new Chairman/Manager/Kit-man take charge? If he goes will the fans come back and if so how many do you think will return? Would you want Woote in charge from the beginning? (bearing in mind he would have kept us up) I really hope we stay up, but I still stand by my prediction that we won't. Woote deserves a chance to stay if he can perform miracles and keep us up but there is no way Lowe should stay to promote the glory of his masterstroke of an appointment. I fear we cant have one without the other i.e all the time woote is here Lowe will be too. Then again at the end of the day we shouldn't care who's here if were getting the right results on the pitch I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 if we stay up and get no investment..then we will do well not to struggle.. we stayed up last season by the skin of out teeth with nigel pearson football genius win 3 whole games in charge...and quite frankly, it will be a miracle if we stay up this season looking at where we are and the fact we dont have as a manager and have worse players.. so, should we stay up, with the absence of new money in....we would do well to stay up again.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I would expect the major shareholders to invest some of their own money to strengthen the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I would expect the major shareholders to invest some of their own money to strengthen the team. lol crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj540 Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I would expect the major shareholders to invest some of their own money to strengthen the team. That would be nice, but highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 if we stay up and get no investment..then we will do well not to struggle.. we stayed up last season by the skin of out teeth with nigel pearson football genius win 3 whole games in charge...and quite frankly, it will be a miracle if we stay up this season looking at where we are and the fact we dont have as a manager and have worse players.. so, should we stay up, with the absence of new money in....we would do well to stay up again.. If Wotte keeps us up he will have to lead us to more than 3 wins in a similar timespan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/West Saint Posted 22 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I would expect the major shareholders to invest some of their own money to strengthen the team. Lowe invest lol However if major shareholders did invest and Lowe didnt would he have to step down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I would expect the major shareholders to invest some of their own money to strengthen the team. Don't hold your breath mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 (edited) Well the perceived wisdom was that Pearson should have stayed as he kept us up, so Wotte should stay logically. Even if we go down and he shows signs of being good for us he should stay. We need some kind of stability. As for Lowe, I expect he will stay until such time as we find a buyer, which could be a while. Edited 22 February, 2009 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I would expect the major shareholders to invest some of their own money to strengthen the team. Let`s Lowe of the hook then? In fact he will more likely sell the best of what`s left.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I wanted NP to stay this season on the basis on his performance last year. I am fed up with changing managers. If we stay up Wotte's performance would surpass NP's therefore surely it would be clear to all that he should stay? If.....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 if we stay up and get no investment..then we will do well not to struggle.. we stayed up last season by the skin of out teeth with nigel pearson football genius win 3 whole games in charge...and quite frankly, it will be a miracle if we stay up this season looking at where we are and the fact we dont have as a manager and have worse players.. so, should we stay up, with the absence of new money in....we would do well to stay up again.. But there IS new money next season. TV money will bring in an extra 3.5 million per year. If we should get another 1K on every home crowd and get Rasiak,John and BWP off the pay roll permanently we wouldn't be looking too bad. Might get a right back and let James move forward into midfield. I think we should sell Lallana for whatever we can get if that's what it takes to get a right back. Doubt if Euell will take a lower wage deal so we might have to find a replacement for him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 If Saints should stay up, and it's a massive IF; then those that have actively been responsible for setting a policy that saw the club on a course to near relegation, should leave the club, as they are quite obviously not upto the job. It's hard enough for a football club to prosper on the field, and hence prosper everywhere else, without its own leaders actually helping every oppostion that visits St Marys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 That would be nice, but highly unlikely. It might happen this very week, might have already happened. Not much though, perhaps 500K each. If we're to survive administration the main men will have to cough up a bit soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 If Saints should stay up, and it's a massive IF; then those that have actively been responsible for setting a policy that saw the club on a course to near relegation, should leave the club, as they are quite obviously not upto the job. It's hard enough for a football club to prosper on the field, and hence prosper everywhere else, without its own leaders actually helping every oppostion that visits St Marys. so is that a yes he should stay or no should go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 so is that a yes he should stay or no should go? Yeah, I can see the confusion myself now. In a nutshell, Lowe and Co to go, whether or not Saints survive or are relegated; in administration or not, as well. Wotte could stay. It makes little difference either way. That would be for the next Boardroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I'm afraid to stay up requires the level of performance shown in the first half yesterday ever week between now and May..........frankly, thats unlikely with Saints , and we have all been in this false hope scenario so many times before.............yes, it could be different this time, but I for one doubt it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 (edited) I'm afraid to stay up requires the level of performance shown in the first half yesterday ever week between now and May..........frankly, thats unlikely with Saints , and we have all been in this false hope scenario so many times before.............yes, it could be different this time, but I for one doubt it! If we win all the rest of our games 361 we wouldn't be too far off the play-offs. Not in them though, just outside. Realistically to stay up we need to win 6 out of our remaining 13, including the last day game against Forest and draw perhaps 3 others. It's still a tall task but by no means impossible. Our fate depends on Norwich and Forest and maybe on Plymouth if their decline carries on much longer.. I see us beating Cardiff next week and maybe moving up one place.Cardiff play today and again on Wednesday, they may well crack due to the umber of games in a short time. If we can get one early like yesterday they won't put up much of a fight.n Edited 22 February, 2009 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 I would go as far as saying IF we stay up...then wotte should stay as he would have performed a minor miracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 can't imagine anyone would really say no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 can't imagine anyone would really say no? you are joking right...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 The interesting thing will be how many of our out of contract players a) want to stay, b) are prepared to take wacking pay cut & c) are wanted by the club Can someone remind whose contracts expire when Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 If we stay up Wotte's performance would surpass NP's therefore surely it would be clear to all that he should stay? That would not be the saints way, get rid and find some other clown that could lead us to the edge of obscurity, only sacked and someone else have us bought back from the brink of death at the last minute, and at the end of that season we'll get rid of him and try another blinkin useless experiment, ad infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 IF and it's a big IF... Wotte Out - sorry but one win isnt going to convince me. Wotte was part of Lowe's strategy, he convinced him to go youth 2 years ago for the job of coach. We took GB and stayed in the CCC. Wotte for me is not the answer. MUST be sacked. It is painfully obvious that Lowe / Wotte's strategy has been (probably) fatally flawed and that sort of incompetence is not required here again... and certainly has a chance of coming back to haunt us. Lowe - well its a joke he's still here. No brainer... has to leave the club for good. A liar, a man who's presence deflects investment due to his ineptitude, foolish, arrogant, a proven failure. HAS TO GO... FOREVER. New leadership needed throughout. I tell you what, Euell and Sagga may have won the game yesterday but due to the actions this season os the 2 men above they and other key players like Skacel wont want to stay. So, regardless (I think we're going down by the way anyway) Lowe and Wotte HAVE to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 If we stay up, Wotte will have done a good job, and I'd hope the club will stick with the current coaching set-up for another season, no matter what happens at the top (a subject on which I find speculation to be totally fruitless). I do think that, if Wotte keeps us up, we have the basis to do much better next season. Reportedly, Saeijs' loan deal calls for us to sign him permanently at season's end if we stay up; and I'd hope that there will be a move to keep Saga. Given those two providing stability and ability at the back and up front, and with the flashes of promise that the likes of Schneiderlin and Holmes and Gillett have shown, to add to the undoubted ability of Surman and Lallana, we could build on survival to challenge for a top 6 spot, imo. After all, our away form this season has been quite good, so sorting out the home form would get us into the top half alone. I'd also like to see Nathan Dyer playing on the right wing for us: with his pace and ability, he could become a real difference maker. So it seems to me that there are reasons for optimism, IF we can stay up this season. Of course, to those who care more about who is the club chairman than about results on the field, things will look very different ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 IF and it's a big IF... Wotte Out - sorry but one win isnt going to convince me. Wotte was part of Lowe's strategy, he convinced him to go youth 2 years ago for the job of coach. We took GB and stayed in the CCC. Wotte for me is not the answer. MUST be sacked. It is painfully obvious that Lowe / Wotte's strategy has been (probably) fatally flawed and that sort of incompetence is not required here again... and certainly has a chance of coming back to haunt us. Lowe - well its a joke he's still here. No brainer... has to leave the club for good. A liar, a man who's presence deflects investment due to his ineptitude, foolish, arrogant, a proven failure. HAS TO GO... FOREVER. New leadership needed throughout. I tell you what, Euell and Sagga may have won the game yesterday but due to the actions this season os the 2 men above they and other key players like Skacel wont want to stay. So, regardless (I think we're going down by the way anyway) Lowe and Wotte HAVE to leave. this is clearly using two wrongs to make a right. moaning about a manager being sacked after turning our season around and keeping us up, if Wotte does same -with worse players and much much lower starting point then he should be sacked? I stand by my feeling that I wish NP had stayed, therefore if a manager does better how can I possibly think he should be sacked? (unless I am letting personal views of board members cloud my judgement?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 So, regardless (I think we're going down by the way anyway) Lowe and Wotte HAVE to leave. sad individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 (edited) this is clearly using two wrongs to make a right. moaning about a manager being sacked after turning our season around and keeping us up, if Wotte does same -with worse players and much much lower starting point then he should be sacked? I stand by my feeling that I wish NP had stayed, therefore if a manager does better how can I possibly think he should be sacked? (unless I am letting personal views of board members cloud my judgement?) Because he came up with the inept strategy in the first place and has every possibility of repeating such a foolish error. Also, I'd put any of the current British managers available above Wotte in terms of knowledge and quality. Edited 22 February, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 sad individual sad? I'm livid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeH Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 If Wotte keeps us up I reckon he should stay. I'd much rather have a blood and thunder manager kicking the backsides of the players to get results rather than the softly softly approach of soothing words that would make a 3 year old go to sleep. Without a doubt Lowe has to go, but who's to say the next guy in line isn't worse? First things first the club need to look at staying in the CCC. Everything else is secondary at this point. Let everything else sort themselves out in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 If Wotte keeps us up I reckon he should stay. I'd much rather have a blood and thunder manager kicking the backsides of the players to get results rather than the softly softly approach of soothing words that would make a 3 year old go to sleep. Without a doubt Lowe has to go, but who's to say the next guy in line isn't worse? First things first the club need to look at staying in the CCC. Everything else is secondary at this point. Let everything else sort themselves out in the offseason. But IMHO Wotte and Lowe come as a package. I think a new Chairman will want his own manager anyway. As almost all British managers currently available are more successful and knowledgeable at this level, its a no-brainer. Regardless, if Lowe goes (please god) so will Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 If we stay up this season, and it's a huge if, Lowe will stay, Wotte will stay and we'll finnish bottom six again next season. Nothing is going to improve until Lowe, and his axis of clowns have left Southampton for good. And who knows how long that will take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 But IMHO Wotte and Lowe come as a package. I think a new Chairman will want his own manager anyway. As almost all British managers currently available are more successful and knowledgeable at this level, its a no-brainer. Regardless, if Lowe goes (please god) so will Wotte. you are making the same mistake that Lowe made, viewing NP and Crouch as a package. who are all the British managers available who are more successful? (I am still considering this hypothetically with him having kept us up rather than judging at the moment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 I'm not too fond of Wotte but i'm sure if he keeps us i will be. Lowe has failed again though and must leave. Surely if we stopped up they'd be a little bit of cash floating around to get a RB and a CM. The difference between a good team and a poor team in this division is not that big. One of the reasons why the stupid youth only policy was so frustrating. Decent management and a well drilled, organsised side and you'll be mid-table easy. Boring as that is, a couple of seasons of that and hopefully the world will be a different place and we can afford to sign the extra quality we'd need to make that play off push. Trouble with Lowe staying is, IF we stay up, will he learn from his mistakes this season? He's not done so in the past... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Ok lets say we stay up this season, what happens next year? Do we just have another season in the bottom 6 fighting for survival hoping for that takeover to happen? Will Lowe go and let a new Chairman/Manager/Kit-man take charge? If he goes will the fans come back and if so how many do you think will return? Would you want Woote in charge from the beginning? (bearing in mind he would have kept us up) Without Lowe, his half baked ideas and his demoralising, divisive influence, we will have a decent chance of doing quite well imo. Although JP was unable to put together enough wins, a few of the younger players have matured, and gained valuable experience, Lloyd James for example. Wotte has a few more matches to prove his capabilities too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 If Wotte had piped up 1/2/3/4/5/6 months ago that the 'experiment' wouldn't work and/or wasn't working then he wouldn't be in the position today of needing to help rescue our season. The club made it quite clear from the outset that he and Poortvliet were a close-knit management team. "If Wotte keeps us up...." Talk about self-fulfilling logic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Ok lets say we stay up this season, what happens next year? Do we just have another season in the bottom 6 fighting for survival hoping for that takeover to happen? Will Lowe go and let a new Chairman/Manager/Kit-man take charge? If he goes will the fans come back and if so how many do you think will return? Would you want Woote in charge from the beginning? (bearing in mind he would have kept us up) If Wotte keeps us up, then like Nigel Pearson he deserves to be kept on by merit alone. I don't think Lowe going will make a massive difference to fans returning. Winning at home will though. But picking up on your first point, I still think we will be spending the season looking over our shoulders at the bottom of the league as we will still have to try and sell our better players in the summer, but without the finances to replace them. The good news is that the threat of administration will be gone if we sell well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 I wanted NP to stay this season on the basis on his performance last year. I am fed up with changing managers. If we stay up Wotte's performance would surpass NP's therefore surely it would be clear to all that he should stay? If.....! That is just bonkers to be thinking like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 If Wotte had piped up 1/2/3/4/5/6 months ago that the 'experiment' wouldn't work and/or wasn't working then he wouldn't be in the position today of needing to help rescue our season. The club made it quite clear from the outset that he and Poortvliet were a close-knit management team. "If Wotte keeps us up...." Talk about self-fulfilling logic! If Wotte keeps us up, then like Nigel Pearson he deserves to be kept on by merit alone. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 If he does keep us up when does he go from being "That Dutch idiot-Lowe's lapdog" to "I bet Lowe sells him to line his pockets"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 If Wotte keeps us up, then like Nigel Pearson he deserves to be kept on by merit alone. If Wotte's teams can make up the shortfall in points that can keep us up, despite having some tough matches ahead, compared to our rivals like Norwich, Wotte will have achieved a miracle, and myself and others will have to eat our words. I hope this proves to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 If we stay up I will be very pleased, but I don't see why anybody involved with this season should be praised for their contribution to our situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 If we stay up I will be very pleased, but I don't see why anybody involved with this season should be praised for their contribution to our situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 IF and it's a big IF... Wotte Out - sorry but one win isnt going to convince me. Wotte was part of Lowe's strategy, he convinced him to go youth 2 years ago for the job of coach. We took GB and stayed in the CCC. Wotte for me is not the answer. MUST be sacked. So, regardless (I think we're going down by the way anyway) Lowe and Wotte HAVE to leave. Also, I'd put any of the current British managers available above Wotte in terms of knowledge and quality. If Wotte keeps us up he'll have done a f*cking brilliant job. And yet you'd want to sack him and install the man who relegated Leicester last season. Utterly bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 If Wotte keeps us up he'll have done a f*cking brilliant job. And yet you'd want to sack him and install the man who relegated Leicester last season. Utterly bonkers. It is a shame we can't keep peoples posts on here and refer back to them over the months. I said earlier that in time, should Wotte turn out to be decent it will only be a case of "when?" before the same people that want him out start saying, "Lowe is going to sell him now, lining his pockets, blah, blah, blah." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 If Wotte keeps us up he'll have more than earned the right to expect to be retained for next season. Personally I don't tar him with the brush of fsailure from the first half of the season. The idea may have bee that he would work closely with Poortvliet but it's clear from the interviews Jan gave after he left that the pair barely spoke. Problem is if Lowe doesn't go then I can see Wotte leaving because of the divisions at the club - there's only so long anyone can want to stay in the job when because of the association with Lowe half the fans want you out. And if Lowe does go (please god make it so) he'll probably get brushed out by the new broom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 That is just bonkers to be thinking like that. how could it not be? worse position, worse players, less time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 how could it not be? worse position, worse players, less time? No, you don't understand. It is pure madness to even think that Wotte could go on and perform better than the iconic Nigel Pearson. Have you taken leave of your senses? Pearson is the new Fergie, only better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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