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Just being the messenger,and spreading the word,never thought they would use the idea.........

 

From the facebook group....

These will probably be the details for the Cardiff protest.

 

saturday, 28th febuary we will be meeting at 2:30 outside the itchen stand where we will then do a lap of SMS and then lay roses and wreaths etc to signify the slow death of SFC. please show your support and buy a rose to lay in front of the stadium for the cardiff game.

 

 

Glad they like the idea,posted from a while back....

 

Flowers/wreaths laid out in front of the Ted Bates statue in a carpet fashion, not just dumped.

All supporters who wish too can buy a single rose, be it red or black, can participate.

Therefore those who are unable to march can feel as though they have contributed.

Could look visibly impressive for the media.

This act could be used to signify a club that is dying under the current regime.

 

This of course could be used in tandem with another form of protest such as a sit-in at the main entrance.

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From my Facebook inbox........

 

there will not be a protest from the city centre for teh cardiff game but we will be meetin outside the reception of teh stadium, do a lap of SMS and the idea of laying roses and wreaths etc has been popular, i will create an event and could you press yes if you will be attending and layin a rose, if you wll not be layin a rose then please press maybe. media want to know what sort of numbers will be doing this. more updates on this later

 

 

I'm sure there will be substantial negativity towards this idea,but its all about opinions isn't it!

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'I pretended it was a living thing and laid some flowers on the floor, but nothing happened.'

 

lol, this is the bestest protest ever!

 

Seriously, you will be lucky if you get a couple of dozen people bringing roses etc...

 

A much more effective and easy way would be to lay scarfs, old shirts, season tickets, flags, banners etc, it would look gay as f*ck, but not half as a couple of dozen roses!

 

Connor buddy, ever heard the expression 'quit whilst you're ahead' ?

 

I know I said you need to change things, but by doing so you need to raise the pressure and intensity of the protests.

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Join in if you feel that our club is being killed from the inside out or dont if you cant be arsed.

'what did you do daddy when the club was dying'?'

 

I can't be arsed to kill the club from the outside in, as Frodo Baggins and his merry men seem intent to do. The club has seen a recent turnaround in performances, Wotte is giving us a strong and positive message so what purpose is this going to serve apart from boost a few local florists in a tough market.

 

Can i suggest instaed of wasting money on roses they give all their money to Frodo who can than pay a business consultant aka Gandalf the Grey to give them a plan b as oppose to a dream.

 

I'm sorry but we have some tragic and deluded fans. I wonder if Charlton fans are doing the same or perhaps you would like Brian Gunn for manager? Just turn up on Saturday and encourage others to do the same. Truly, truly ridiculous and 'You don't know what you're doing'.

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I can't be arsed to kill the club from the outside in, as Frodo Baggins and his merry men seem intent to do. The club has seen a recent turnaround in performances, Wotte is giving us a strong and positive message so what purpose is this going to serve apart from boost a few local florists in a tough market.

 

Can i suggest instaed of wasting money on roses they give all their money to Frodo who can than pay a business consultant aka Gandalf the Grey to give them a plan b as oppose to a dream.

 

I'm sorry but we have some tragic and deluded fans. I wonder if Charlton fans are doing the same or perhaps you would like Brian Gunn for manager? Just turn up on Saturday and encourage others to do the same. Truly, truly ridiculous and 'You don't know what you're doing'.

 

You just can't seem to try and make a point without being patronising or offensive, can you? And I was actually beginning to look at your posts in a different way.

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posted on the other one but applicable for this protest as well;

 

I think these, minority (I know that causes offence but mathematically it is) protests, particular if they are without clear objective play totally into Lowe's defence of its only the lunatic fringe who don't understand.

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You just can't seem to try and make a point without being patronising or offensive, can you? And I was actually beginning to look at your posts in a different way.

 

Sorry ESB but this action is to create further discord amongst the fanbase and is without an agenda beyond Lowe out and no doubt a few enjoy the publicity and even that has all but disappeared. IF, IF they come up with a Plan B backed by somebody with more clout than a 16 year old boy I may listen but they are doing more damage than Lowe can do at the moment and of that i am almost certain.

 

Why do you think Charlton fans aren't protesting or Norwich fans are semingly happy with Gunn? I'm sorry if you think I'm offensive as actually I am concerned and ultimately embarrassed by these protests and hence i get a bit angry as i was hoping they were going to stop after last Saturday. 3 protests and have they met the arbitraitors yet?

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Sorry ESB but this action is to create further discord amongst the fanbase and is without an agenda beyond Lowe out and no doubt a few enjoy the publicity and even that has all but disappeared. IF, IF they come up with a Plan B backed by somebody with more clout than a 16 year old boy I may listen but they are doing more damage than Lowe can do at the moment and of that i am almost certain.

 

Why do you think Charlton fans aren't protesting or Norwich fans are semingly happy with Gunn? I'm sorry if you think I'm offensive as actually I am concerned and ultimately embarrassed by these protests and hence i get a bit angry as i was hoping they were going to stop after last Saturday. 3 protests and have they met the arbitraitors yet?

 

No they haven't, as you and I know. Your point is a fair one, although I obviously disagree with you. You just didn't need to be so denigrating about, what I think is, a stalwart effort by one of the younger fans and his friends.

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Why do you think Charlton fans aren't protesting or Norwich fans are semingly happy with Gunn? QUOTE]

 

The flippant answer is because they are not burdened with Rupert Lowe !!! :-) :-)

 

But interestingly, Norwich have a much loved owner in Delia (Norwich fans sing songs celebrating her faux pas!!) who unlike Lowe is seen to add something to the club - not take out. Charlton have a fans representative on the board so their fans believe that their views are heard.

 

Saints fans are living in the Middle Ages compared with them. No wonder we have a 16 year old Wat Tyler.

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this is just rough plans of something for saturday as i do not think we should just stop the whole lowe and wilde out protests, if anyone has ideas of how we could improve this without a march from city centre then email me on connor_bowers@hotmail.co.uk. i liekd the ideas of old season tickets nd scarfs etc. let me know

thanks

 

 

what exactly is the aim of your protest?

 

in the echo you said it was;

 

to protest against Lowe and his silly decisions like appointing Wotte

 

to remove Wilde and Lowe from the board

 

to reinstate Crouch.

 

Is this still the case?

 

Is your plan that Crouch also buys their shares?

 

What are Crouch's views on this?

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what exactly is the aim of your protest?

 

in the echo you said it was;

 

to protest against Lowe and his silly decisions like appointing Wotte

 

to remove Wilde and Lowe from the board

 

to reinstate Crouch.

 

Is this still the case?

 

Is your plan that Crouch also buys their shares?

 

What are Crouch's views on this?

 

Nick , I think you answers lay here

 

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what exactly is the aim of your protest?

 

Are you asking him on a personal level or are you trying to suggest that by gaining some publicity and speaking to the Echo, this young ballsy lad must therefore speak for us all?

 

 

And as I posted on another thread, I think you're being rather obtuse here, slightly disengenuos and at risk of becoming slightly boring.

 

Like most marches/demonstrations/campaigns, people often come together from a multitude of standpoints, beliefs and desires to form an alliance. Very often, they're a coalition of forces brought together by an overwhelming common belief. Your notion that everyone has to be singing exactly from the same song sheet and all views must be identical is slightly weird IMHO.

 

I would hazard a guess that the common belief that the marchers connected to SFC have held is that the Club is being run in a rather poor manner and that change at the top is needed.

 

And I'm sure that within the marches there have been a number of inidividual beliefs about how this can be rectified.

 

Indeed, just as when we ever search for a manager, whilst there is normally a common view that we need to replace (or find) a manager, there is very much disagreement over who thast replacement should be.

 

However, that in no way undermines the initial general perceived and agreed assumption that change is needed.

 

Your continued efforts to try and polarise the argument and focus on one area in particular are disengenuous, if not risible.

 

Personally, I was campaiging for a restructure of the Boardroom to ensure we have the best possible set up and backing for the manager of the day.

At the moment that man is Wotte and I would like a Board and backroom set up that gives him the best chance to succeed on the pitch.

 

In demonstrating and taking part in the march, I did not have any problems lining up against others who may not sure that exact personal viewpoint and I never felt the need to mirror, stand behind or even criticise anyone else's individual comments or beliefs.

 

The very fact that you have a problem is something you need to address on a personal level (actually I don't think you do have a problem with it, but instead you're trying to make mileage out of it by pretending to for some reason) .

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Actually, this whole protest thing could be solved in about 30 seconds.

 

The majority of fans want Lowe out

 

A fair proportion of fans want a valid alternative in place (the famed plan B), but are then split between playing Titanic deckchairs again with Crouch et al or seeking some other route.

 

One simple way to take the sting out of ALL of this is for Lowe & Wilde to make a short and simple RE-STATEMENT of what they said at the beginning of the season, but which our conspiracy theories prefer to ignore.

 

Namely that they WILL sell at a fair price when they receive an offer that secures the survival of the club including a business plan that has sufficient funding to keep us in action.

 

Anything else doesn't solve the simple fact that it takes more money to run a CCC team with a big stadium than we can earn.

 

 

(Oh and before anyone asks - those words HAVE been put in print on the OS and others way back when)

 

All it needs is the money to keep the club going and we are rid of the LOT of them.

 

 

 

(yeah right as if we're gonna find it but hey - you know)

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this is just rough plans of something for saturday as i do not think we should just stop the whole lowe and wilde out protests, if anyone has ideas of how we could improve this without a march from city centre then email me on connor_bowers@hotmail.co.uk. i liekd the ideas of old season tickets nd scarfs etc. let me know

thanks

 

March from the City Centre, you do not need the 'backing' of the police to do it.

 

Give the police some work to do. The more disruption, the better.

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Just a thought. Bearing in mind the make up of the team last Saturday, does this not suggest that the present board are getting behind the Manager and letting him get on with the job. I appreciate we all, well most of us, have issues with Lowe and Wilde but should we now take the same approach as the board and support the Manager and the Team?

 

I am not against protests and applaud young Bowers and others for getting off their backsides and doing something rather than moan on here but think not about the reason for the protest but what it was supposed to achieve. Last Saturday's team and performance would suggest the message may have got through. Let's give them all a chance this Saturday to show they continue to listen.

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Just a thought. Bearing in mind the make up of the team last Saturday, does this not suggest that the present board are getting behind the Manager and letting him get on with the job. I appreciate we all, well most of us, have issues with Lowe and Wilde but should we now take the same approach as the board and support the Manager and the Team?

 

I am not against protests and applaud young Bowers and others for getting off their backsides and doing something rather than moan on here but think not about the reason for the protest but what it was supposed to achieve. Last Saturday's team and performance would suggest the message may have got through. Let's give them all a chance this Saturday to show they continue to listen.

 

Careful, You know that talking sense on here will label you as a luvvie

 

 

 

(but I agree, MLT, Benali AND Leon all said much the same)

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... which is directly above the Mick Channon Suite, which is where everyone sings up to.

 

I was certain it was above then to the right when looking at Reception, i'm positive, it's either the Directors Boardroom or Directors Guestroom.

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saturday, 28th febuary we will be meeting at 2:30 outside the itchen stand where we will then do a lap of SMS and then lay roses and wreaths etc to signify the slow death of SFC. please show your support and buy a rose to lay in front of the stadium for the cardiff game.

 

No offence but that is well gay.

 

If you're going to have a protest fine, but is it really necessary to make such a drama out of it?

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I was certain it was above then to the right when looking at Reception, i'm positive, it's either the Directors Boardroom or Directors Guestroom.

 

Nope, they are the chairmans office, sales offices etc and the 'visiting directors room' which is just a small room for them to conduct business..... the boardroom is directly opposite the MLT suite, above the Mick Channon Suite.

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Are you asking him on a personal level or are you trying to suggest that by gaining some publicity and speaking to the Echo, this young ballsy lad must therefore speak for us all?

 

 

And as I posted on another thread, I think you're being rather obtuse here, slightly disengenuos and at risk of becoming slightly boring.

 

Like most marches/demonstrations/campaigns, people often come together from a multitude of standpoints, beliefs and desires to form an alliance. Very often, they're a coalition of forces brought together by an overwhelming common belief. Your notion that everyone has to be singing exactly from the same song sheet and all views must be identical is slightly weird IMHO.

 

I would hazard a guess that the common belief that the marchers connected to SFC have held is that the Club is being run in a rather poor manner and that change at the top is needed.

 

And I'm sure that within the marches there have been a number of inidividual beliefs about how this can be rectified.

 

Indeed, just as when we ever search for a manager, whilst there is normally a common view that we need to replace (or find) a manager, there is very much disagreement over who thast replacement should be.

 

However, that in no way undermines the initial general perceived and agreed assumption that change is needed.

 

Your continued efforts to try and polarise the argument and focus on one area in particular are disengenuous, if not risible.

 

Personally, I was campaiging for a restructure of the Boardroom to ensure we have the best possible set up and backing for the manager of the day.

At the moment that man is Wotte and I would like a Board and backroom set up that gives him the best chance to succeed on the pitch.

 

In demonstrating and taking part in the march, I did not have any problems lining up against others who may not sure that exact personal viewpoint and I never felt the need to mirror, stand behind or even criticise anyone else's individual comments or beliefs.

 

The very fact that you have a problem is something you need to address on a personal level (actually I don't think you do have a problem with it, but instead you're trying to make mileage out of it by pretending to for some reason) .

 

Indeed Um...

 

My feelings have always been that although chanting 'We want Lowe Out' cleanses the soul -

 

ASKHAM...RICHARDS..WILDE...WITHERS..WINDSOR-CLIVE

 

Are where the pressure points that need caressing...

 

You with that Um?

 

Connor - change tact...forget Lowe let's pressurise those who put him there and keep him there.

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Nick , I think you answers lay here

 

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Qwerty, I think you mean "lie".

 

Chickens lay eggs, brickies lay bricks, waiters lay tables, protesters lay roses at the feet of Ted Bates - they are completely different verbs, one transitive, the other intransitive.

 

Well, if you can poke fun at someone who is actually doing something he feels will help this badly ailing club, I can poke fun at someone who is happy with their badly ailing English!

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Just a thought. Bearing in mind the make up of the team last Saturday, does this not suggest that the present board are getting behind the Manager and letting him get on with the job. I appreciate we all, well most of us, have issues with Lowe and Wilde but should we now take the same approach as the board and support the Manager and the Team?

 

I am not against protests and applaud young Bowers and others for getting off their backsides and doing something rather than moan on here but think not about the reason for the protest but what it was supposed to achieve. Last Saturday's team and performance would suggest the message may have got through. Let's give them all a chance this Saturday to show they continue to listen.[/QUOTE]

 

Agree 100% with the first paragraph and those last thoughts of your's Weston and any further action at this stage may leave the team and manager contemplating it's not worth the effort as there has been an undoubted turnaround in desire and application under Wotte IMO.

 

With regard to protests I am not against them if those attending can unite behind one aim and the action to achieve that aim. Now clearly they are united behind 'Lowe out' but some tried to undermine Wotte's role which after 4 games looked a bit ridiculous at best given the whole circumstances. More importantly, I can't support or let pass without comment any protest against the club that cannot confirm or even outline their plans for the club or even align or collaborate with those they appear to be supporting.

 

Crouch appears to now be talking in conciliatory tones, which must be welcome by those of us who support an appointment of a fully indpendent CEO and yet Connor and those who support him seem in general to be offering him up as the new chairman, temporary or otherwise and continue their fighting talk. The Saints Trust are not much better who positively confirm the definition of a committee; 'A group of men who individually can do nothing but as a group decide nothing can be done'. Worse they seems to be self elected and yet seem to appear to act on behalf of the fans of SFC. Then where are SISA in all this? Seems to be the Saints Trust should sign up Connor and get him to march for their plan but at least we would have someone we could recognise as the face of the Saints Trust and a proposal in the public domain that we could all consider.

 

At the moment whether you protest for Lowe's removal on the forum, on a march or the back room of a pub they are all extensions of the same thing a moan without a solution and personally that is why I can't condone or support their actions in fact it's embarrassing and someone needs to help Connor to target his protest in a more meaningful way otherwise its the equivalent of a teenager trashing his room after his parents have dished out some tough love and some fans are supporting this behaviour.

 

No disrespect to Connor but males don't reach their mental maturity until about 21 years of age. He has shown some guts to get the whole thing off the ground but where is the lad getting his support now its needs some perspective and direction or do those who march behind him believe Connor will be able to build a case for the removal of Lowe when push comes to shove.

 

Bottom line whilst the team's performance are showing signs of improvement and expecially with some tough fixtures coming up after which there are still enough winnable games for us to complete our survival it would be better for anyone connected to the club from fans through to stewards if we focus 100% on support and keep their counsel until after the end of the season. I sincerely hope Crouch heeds that last comment as letting the media know he is willing to hold talks with the board could be read as simply another opportunity of him trying to seek political capital out of a desperate situation one of which he has been a major player. A bigger man would make his offer of talks in private and let it remain so otherwise its nothing but tit for tat for L & W's action last season and making my comment about mental maturity to be unfounded.

 

As always though you are the voice of reason and those in charge or would like to be would do well to follow your lead.

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Are you asking him on a personal level or are you trying to suggest that by gaining some publicity and speaking to the Echo, this young ballsy lad must therefore speak for us all?

 

 

And as I posted on another thread, I think you're being rather obtuse here, slightly disengenuos and at risk of becoming slightly boring.

 

Like most marches/demonstrations/campaigns, people often come together from a multitude of standpoints, beliefs and desires to form an alliance. Very often, they're a coalition of forces brought together by an overwhelming common belief. Your notion that everyone has to be singing exactly from the same song sheet and all views must be identical is slightly weird IMHO.

 

I would hazard a guess that the common belief that the marchers connected to SFC have held is that the Club is being run in a rather poor manner and that change at the top is needed.

 

And I'm sure that within the marches there have been a number of inidividual beliefs about how this can be rectified.

 

Indeed, just as when we ever search for a manager, whilst there is normally a common view that we need to replace (or find) a manager, there is very much disagreement over who thast replacement should be.

 

However, that in no way undermines the initial general perceived and agreed assumption that change is needed.

 

Your continued efforts to try and polarise the argument and focus on one area in particular are disengenuous, if not risible.

 

Personally, I was campaiging for a restructure of the Boardroom to ensure we have the best possible set up and backing for the manager of the day.

At the moment that man is Wotte and I would like a Board and backroom set up that gives him the best chance to succeed on the pitch.

 

In demonstrating and taking part in the march, I did not have any problems lining up against others who may not sure that exact personal viewpoint and I never felt the need to mirror, stand behind or even criticise anyone else's individual comments or beliefs.

 

The very fact that you have a problem is something you need to address on a personal level (actually I don't think you do have a problem with it, but instead you're trying to make mileage out of it by pretending to for some reason) .

 

The way i see it people will always complain no matter what. The thing i find funny is that those who snipe at people like Connor for actually trying something normally sit on their ass in front of a pc typing on a forum *****ing all day. Like Lowe, Wilde, Mickey Mouse will stumble on the post and go "Thats it boys, some nerd has said they don't like us on a forum, we better clear our desks......". This is the real world where if you want things to change you have to do something about it. I think if he manages to get Lowe gone then he will be known as a legend among our people :)

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saturday, 28th febuary we will be meeting at 2:30 outside the itchen stand where we will then do a lap of SMS and then lay roses and wreaths etc to signify the slow death of SFC. please show your support and buy a rose to lay in front of the stadium for the cardiff game.

 

 

 

 

:lol:

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Are you asking him on a personal level or are you trying to suggest that by gaining some publicity and speaking to the Echo, this young ballsy lad must therefore speak for us all?

 

 

And as I posted on another thread, I think you're being rather obtuse here, slightly disengenuos and at risk of becoming slightly boring.

 

Like most marches/demonstrations/campaigns, people often come together from a multitude of standpoints, beliefs and desires to form an alliance. Very often, they're a coalition of forces brought together by an overwhelming common belief. Your notion that everyone has to be singing exactly from the same song sheet and all views must be identical is slightly weird IMHO.

 

I would hazard a guess that the common belief that the marchers connected to SFC have held is that the Club is being run in a rather poor manner and that change at the top is needed.

 

And I'm sure that within the marches there have been a number of inidividual beliefs about how this can be rectified.

 

Indeed, just as when we ever search for a manager, whilst there is normally a common view that we need to replace (or find) a manager, there is very much disagreement over who thast replacement should be.

 

However, that in no way undermines the initial general perceived and agreed assumption that change is needed.

 

Your continued efforts to try and polarise the argument and focus on one area in particular are disengenuous, if not risible.

 

Personally, I was campaiging for a restructure of the Boardroom to ensure we have the best possible set up and backing for the manager of the day.

At the moment that man is Wotte and I would like a Board and backroom set up that gives him the best chance to succeed on the pitch.

 

In demonstrating and taking part in the march, I did not have any problems lining up against others who may not sure that exact personal viewpoint and I never felt the need to mirror, stand behind or even criticise anyone else's individual comments or beliefs.

 

The very fact that you have a problem is something you need to address on a personal level (actually I don't think you do have a problem with it, but instead you're trying to make mileage out of it by pretending to for some reason) .

 

 

once again you seem to try and make things personal.

 

I am not going to answer your insults.

 

To answer your question as to what basis I was asking him, I was asking as someone who is organising a protest I was interested in what exactly it was seeking to achieve? Is that not reasonable?

 

I would not expect everyone involved to have exactly the same opinion, but it is normal for everyone on a protest march to agree with the stated aim.

 

I also, now wonder if the organisers have a different view, not that Crouch -who I believe they wanted to install as chairman, has suggested supporting Wotte and leave politics until the close season.

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saturday, 28th febuary we will be meeting at 2:30 outside the itchen stand where we will then do a lap of SMS and then lay roses and wreaths etc to signify the slow death of SFC. please show your support and buy a rose to lay in front of the stadium for the cardiff game.

 

I can just see the local florists rubbing their hands with glee whilst at the same time upping the prices ready for the weekend. I'll give this one a miss.

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I can just see the local florists rubbing their hands with glee whilst at the same time upping the prices ready for the weekend. I'll give this one a miss.

 

Can't even support local enterprises.Most roses on sale in the UK at this time of year either come from Palestine or Kenya.

Why not make it a bunch of daffs.Must be some of them in Jersey hothouses.

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Can't even support local enterprises.Most roses on sale in the UK at this time of year either come from Palestine or Kenya.

Why not make it a bunch of daffs.Must be some of them in Jersey hothouses.

 

I have some giant crocus and snowdrops in the garden, (dafs and tulips not ready yet), will these do?

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