Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 How could the Lowe supporters have been so wrong. I hate to to say "i told you so". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 How could the Lowe supporters have been so wrong. I hate to to say "i told you so". Stanley i would wait and see before dancing on anybodies grave. Only when the finances are published will we see the state of the club that he took on.He may well have made things worse, but I suspect it was in a dire position and whoever was in charge would have brought us to this position. It will be argued about whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 How could the Lowe supporters have been so wrong. I hate to to say "i told you so". You mean having a Parent Company, and letting that go to the wall ??? I still do not think Clubs can avoid points deductions by such a loophole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Stanley i would wait and see before dancing on anybodies grave. Only when the finances are published will we see the state of the club that he took on.He may well have made things worse, but I suspect it was in a dire position and whoever was in charge would have brought us to this position. It will be argued about whatever. And of course Rupert Lowe had absolutely of influence over the finances before his disasterous return. Wilde bringing Captain Calamity back only compounded our woes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 And of course Rupert Lowe had absolutely of influence over the finances before his disasterous return. Wilde bringing Captain Calamity back only compounded our woes.Of course we can go back to his first tenure and relegation that ultimately cost us.Saying that you have to react to the situation you find yourself in and so cut the cloth accordingly . sadly we got rid of the tailor and let the cack handed apprentice have a go. As i have said many times it is the WHOLE not just one person and going back decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Of course we can go back to his first tenure and relegation that ultimately cost us.Saying that you have to react to the situation you find yourself in and so cut the cloth accordingly . sadly we got rid of the tailor and let the cack handed apprentice have a go. As i have said many times it is the WHOLE not just one person and going back decades. The three main pontomine villains are Lowe, Wilde and Askham. Crouch was only in charge for 5 months and he started reducing the wage bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 The three main pontomine villains are Lowe, Wilde and Askham. Crouch was only in charge for 5 months and he started reducing the wage bill. You are too forgiving what about all theo thers who have been part of the decision makers? When the accounts come out we may see more about LC's tenure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You are too forgiving what about all theo thers who have been part of the decision makers? When the accounts come out we may see more about LC's tenure We can disagree about Lowe and Crouch, but i don't think anyone disagrees about Wilde being an unmitigated disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You are too forgiving what about all theo thers who have been part of the decision makers? When the accounts come out we may see more about LC's tenure LC's were covered in last years numbers i thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 LC's were covered in last years numbers i thought?Not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 We can disagree about Lowe and Crouch, but i don't think anyone disagrees about Wilde being an unmitigated disaster. Yes I agree Crouch comes way behind Wilde and Lowe in the Blame stakes and only gets in because he believed someone would pay millions to invest in SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 The three main pontomine villains are Lowe, Wilde and Askham. Crouch was only in charge for 5 months and he started reducing the wage bill. What a total idiot, how exactly could he have got us out of this mess? Remember all those idiot posts about nasty Lowe trying to force those high earning players out of the club? Those other idiot posts about Lowe interferring with what players we could afford to play! So your hero Crouch is absolutely blameless, whereas inreality he has been in there up to his pikey neck. Once we were in this position we had to do everything possible to get rid of players. Once the market would not take them we were done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 What a total idiot, how exactly could he have got us out of this mess? Remember all those idiot posts about nasty Lowe trying to force those high earning players out of the club? Those other idiot posts about Lowe interferring with what players we could afford to play! So your hero Crouch is absolutely blameless, whereas inreality he has been in there up to his pikey neck. Once we were in this position we had to do everything possible to get rid of players. Once the market would not take them we were done. So what you are saying is that we were ****ed even if the paracite Lowe hadn't rolled back into town. In that case surely we'd have been better off under Leon Crouch and Nigel Pearson. Without the Dutch numphties i'd say we'd be doing consierably better in the league and perhaps could've survived in the division with a 10 point hit. You really need to try engaging your brain now and then - idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Well guys no amount of pontificating about WHO is to blame is going to change anything - they are all accountable. We are where we are now, and my only hope is that once all the dust settles is that we are free of all of them, with a completely new board of directors under a Ltd Company format. That is the best we can hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I hate to to say "i told you so". You clearly don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You clearly don't. Good point, but Ruperts little pack of followers have been well and truely discredited. Perhaps Up and Away and co would like to apologise for being so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 As much as I would love to say 'I told you so', I am not the type of person to criticise fellow Southampton supporters for having a different opinion than that of my own. We have yet to see the end of this chapter, and who knows, the next chapter 'could' be worse than this one, in which case, any echo's of 'I told you so' will rebound and bite you! And so, IF this chapter ends with the departure of Lowe and Wilde (for good), then you will not hear too much in the way 'I told you so' from me. It will be over and whoever was right and whoever was wrong, I don't think we will know the full story of events for some time to come, if ever! Lastly, I hope Saints don;t receive a 10 point penalty and that we, with Wotte in charge, go on and escape the dreaded drop this season. EVEN if we do go down, I will be there next season (work permitting) to give mt support, shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the fans! AND, I hope that we can fill SMS for some time to come, in doing so, creating a 'new' atmosphere in the ground based on a common togetherness that we shall not be defeated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 As much as I would love to say 'I told you so', I am not the type of person to criticise fellow Southampton supporters for having a different opinion than that of my own. We have yet to see the end of this chapter, and who knows, the next chapter 'could' be worse than this one, in which case, any echo's of 'I told you so' will rebound and bite you! And so, IF this chapter ends with the departure of Lowe and Wilde (for good), then you will not hear too much in the way 'I told you so' from me. It will be over and whoever was right and whoever was wrong, I don't think we will know the full story of events for some time to come, if ever! Lastly, I hope Saints don;t receive a 10 point penalty and that we, with Wotte in charge, go on and escape the dreaded drop this season. EVEN if we do go down, I will be there next season (work permitting) to give mt support, shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the fans! AND, I hope that we can fill SMS for some time to come, in doing so, creating a 'new' atmosphere in the ground based on a common togetherness that we shall not be defeated! Excellent post...a voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 As much as I would love to say 'I told you so', I am not the type of person to criticise fellow Southampton supporters for having a different opinion than that of my own. We have yet to see the end of this chapter, and who knows, the next chapter 'could' be worse than this one, in which case, any echo's of 'I told you so' will rebound and bite you! And so, IF this chapter ends with the departure of Lowe and Wilde (for good), then you will not hear too much in the way 'I told you so' from me. It will be over and whoever was right and whoever was wrong, I don't think we will know the full story of events for some time to come, if ever! Lastly, I hope Saints don;t receive a 10 point penalty and that we, with Wotte in charge, go on and escape the dreaded drop this season. EVEN if we do go down, I will be there next season (work permitting) to give mt support, shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the fans! AND, I hope that we can fill SMS for some time to come, in doing so, creating a 'new' atmosphere in the ground based on a common togetherness that we shall not be defeated! I hope all posters on the forum get to read this. Top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 How could the Lowe supporters have been so wrong. I hate to to say "i told you so". If you're happy or not - the real question is : What is life like... AFTER Rupert ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 John Smith you are right. It is was wrong of me to mock the Lowe supporters when their whole beliefs about him have been shattered. Now isn't the time to rub it in, but to embrace them in the knowledge that we can all make mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 John Smith you are right. It is was wrong of me to mock the Lowe supporters when their whole beliefs about him have been shattered. Now isn't the time to rub it in, but to embrace them in the knowledge that we can all make mistakes. Does going into administration mean we can get a new set of fans and start from stratch? As the VAST majority, especially on this board seem to be absolute IDIOTS and revelling in the fact they were right(in their opinion of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 John Smith you are right. It is was wrong of me to mock the Lowe supporters when their whole beliefs about him have been shattered. Now isn't the time to rub it in, but to embrace them in the knowledge that we can all make mistakes. the so called Lowe supporters as I would be counted as i suspect have nothing to be sad about in doing so.I still believe that what he did stopped us from this even earlier and we still have not assertained what state the club was in when he took back the reins.This situation can be traced back to many other things that we have argued about for years. i will await for the results of this latest saga before getting too down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Stanley i would wait and see before dancing on anybodies grave. Only when the finances are published will we see the state of the club that he took on.He may well have made things worse, but I suspect it was in a dire position and whoever was in charge would have brought us to this position. It will be argued about whatever. to be fair Nick we already know what he took on , it was shown in the year end accounts to June 2008 the argument is about how we chose to spend the little money we had, this led to poor performances on the pitch , lower gates , less income and to where we are today. An extra 3000 on our average attendance spending £20each would have put another £1.2m in the coffers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Does going into administration mean we can get a new set of fans and start from stratch? As the VAST majority, especially on this board seem to be absolute IDIOTS and revelling in the fact they were right(in their opinion of course). Yes, you are quite right. I should not have pointed out that i was right and the Lowe supporters were wrong. It was in very poor taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 to be fair Nick we already know what he took on , it was shown in the year end accounts to June 2008 the argument is about how we chose to spend the little money we had, this led to poor performances on the pitch , lower gates , less income and to where we are today. An extra 3000 on our average attendance spending £20each would have put another £1.2m in the coffers I dont know what goes into those accounts. They cannot be completely up to date for 30th of June say as the accounts must take weeks to prepare. We were losing tens of thousands a week and so whoever was going to be in charge then massive cuts were to be made. To have any money to spend we had to offload the high earners as best we could. Results would only bring the fans in, I cannot believe that RL kept more than a a thousnad if not hundreds away. Manchester Utd in the cup we had a full house , RL was chairman. Good results would bring the crowds back i agree, but slashing the star players which was needed to happen would weaken the team. NP has done well at Leiceter, I read with interest on saturday that MM has bankrolled Leicester for nearly 10m this season. They have been getting large crowds as well. it proves he can work well in L1 without financial constraints, until he is in the CCC and facing a crisis will we really see if he can cut the mustard.To me his success has added to the fans anger, had he gone to Leicester and failed there would not be a peep about him.Of course it could show he is a great manager, but I can't help but look to his record here and it was far from impressive with RW ,Stern and many other high wage players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 what a total idiot, how exactly could he have got us out of this mess? . by not putting us in such a position in the first place. And by not getting rid of the best young manager we have had since wgs and replacing him with a no hope cluless manager from the dutch lower leagues. Idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Well guys no amount of pontificating about WHO is to blame is going to change anything - they are all accountable. We are where we are now, and my only hope is that once all the dust settles is that we are free of all of them, with a completely new board of directors under a Ltd Company format. That is the best we can hope for. I second this and further point out that it is the one sensible and decent post that has appeared on the site in months. I long to be able to stand tall and shout out from the rooftops" FREE AT LAST.FREE AT LAST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 the so called Lowe supporters as I would be counted as i suspect have nothing to be sad about in doing so.I still believe that what he did stopped us from this even earlier and we still have not assertained what state the club was in when he took back the reins.This situation can be traced back to many other things that we have argued about for years. i will await for the results of this latest saga before getting too down. On and on you drone, and even now, you can't see the wood for the trees. Admit it nick, your hero has F*ck*d us over, not once, but twice, and still you fawn over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I hate to to say "i told you so". Ha Ha - Actually Stanley - I reckon there's nothing more you are enjoying at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 The important thing is how we move on from here, and I sincerely hope that Lowe has nothing more to do with the club. The cost-cutting should have started when we were relegated and a lot of money has been squandered, not just on Woodward, but I do remember Lowe stating that 'the club would survive' because the players had relegation clauses in their contracts. It must be quite clear now that the management team that we had in the Premier League was not suited to the financial restraints of the CCL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Ha Ha - Actually Stanley - I reckon there's nothing more you are enjoying at the moment I'm particularly looking forward to when Jonah appears. Only yesterday he was saying the 9p share price was irrelevent. DOH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I say he tried but f***ed up. I also say anyone would have tried and also f***ed up. The writing was on the wall the first time he f***ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 On and on you drone, and even now, you can't see the wood for the trees. Admit it nick, your hero has F*ck*d us over, not once, but twice, and still you fawn over him.Ginge i always enjoy your responces. im sure we'd have a good laugh if we ever met. i can see the wood from the trees, i havent seen if there has been an outcome of todays meeting. i would wait and see. I believe it is too easy just to blame Lowe, there are many others in the sad tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Ginge i always enjoy your responces. im sure we'd have a good laugh if we ever met. i can see the wood from the trees, i havent seen if there has been an outcome of todays meeting. i would wait and see. I believe it is too easy just to blame Lowe, there are many others in the sad tale. The main culprit post relegation is Wilde, but Lowe started the rot with his incompetent man management skills. Lowes return - made possible by Judas Wilde, ensured that gates dropped and Pearson was sacked. Both these factors made todays events assured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 The main culprit post relegation is Wilde, but Lowe started the rot with his incompetent man management skills. Lowes return - made possible by Judas Wilde, ensured that gates dropped and Pearson was sacked. Both these factors made todays events assured. On this day of all days I think it is only right that we also acknowledge the contribution ( or lack of it) of that twitchy barrowboy 'Arry to our downfall ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Lowe started a chain reaction all the way back to the final whistle at the cup final, since then the club has sunk from one of the best moments in recent history to the moment we are in now. He should have invested, but he didn't, he then opened the revolving doors that was St Mary's to all that wished an attempt and even i suspect those that believed they couldn't. He was ousted and then came back, and i do believe he made an attempt to slow down the train that was SFC from careering towards administration whether it was ego, personal gain, guilt or whatever i don't know and don't believe anyone has. He has failed. I just hope his final grace will be to somehow help to bring in new investment to this once proud club, and then remove all trace of himself from this club. Believe me if that last scenario happens it will in no way help to make him the saviour i believe he wants us to see him as but it will help me to forget his legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 The main culprit post relegation is Wilde, but Lowe started the rot with his incompetent man management skills. Lowes return - made possible by Judas Wilde, ensured that gates dropped and Pearson was sacked. Both these factors made todays events assured. What makes NP such a messiah. Look back at his results with the squad he had at his disposal and they are hardly aweinspiring.Yes id rather we kept him but there is no assurance he would have done any better under the restrictions that would have been placed on him.Yes he has done well at leicester but it was in the papers last week MM has bankrolled them to the tune of nearly 10m amnd that is on the back of large gates. A squad that was already filled with quality players.Yes Ump has put up posts with the youngsters on but 1 is a man u reserve and so the actual loan fee would be out of our league i would suggest. The CEO has to act as the club is there and now, when the Wilde bunch took over they knew that the parachute payments were going to run out,they should have made the right decisions, LC had the same restrictions and should have made decisive cuts under his tenure as well.Administration bankrupcy was always going to be on the cards when we went down if we didnt regain PL status quickly, we had the costs of 27years of being a PL club and all that went with it.It is hard to cut6 them and now it seems the only way is this sad route. RL and all the people on the board are at fault, i dont see why there can be exceptions. Keeping Jan for 5 games too long was a disaster but that still can be rectified going into administration cant as far as i can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 As much as I would love to say 'I told you so', I am not the type of person to criticise fellow Southampton supporters for having a different opinion than that of my own. We have yet to see the end of this chapter, and who knows, the next chapter 'could' be worse than this one, in which case, any echo's of 'I told you so' will rebound and bite you! And so, IF this chapter ends with the departure of Lowe and Wilde (for good), then you will not hear too much in the way 'I told you so' from me. It will be over and whoever was right and whoever was wrong, I don't think we will know the full story of events for some time to come, if ever! Lastly, I hope Saints don;t receive a 10 point penalty and that we, with Wotte in charge, go on and escape the dreaded drop this season. EVEN if we do go down, I will be there next season (work permitting) to give mt support, shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the fans! AND, I hope that we can fill SMS for some time to come, in doing so, creating a 'new' atmosphere in the ground based on a common togetherness that we shall not be defeated! Is this the same John Smith who vowed not to attend games whilst lowe was in charge. Don't you think you have contributed in some small way to the financial difficulties this club has had of meeting it's on going commitments? I hate to say I told you so but fans choosing to stay away because they disliked the chairman was only going to have one outcome. My view is that had we been able to keep attendances consistently at the 20k level then we may not have the cashflows problems we have now. Pledging your support now is most noble but depressingly empty gesture and what happens if Rupert remains in charge having struck a deal as well reasoned by Beer Engine on another thread? Personally, I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with those fans whom I've stood with all season. Your calls John of finding a common togetherness and we shall not be defeated are somewhat hollow from a person who like many others has contributed to the downfall of the club by stripping it of much needed revenue. As the club did what it could to reduce costs you and many others failed to support them from the word go in August and based purely on prejudice. The problem you have helped to create now is who will buy us with such a weak customer base. Look at the crowds teams like Derby, Norwich and Charlton are achieving and look at the their respective recent past and present problems. The stay aways who gave up on this club are contributory factors to the situation and I indeed hate to say I told you so but it was fairly obvious what would happen eventually without investment and dwindling revenues. We may or may not go into administration but bigger and more sympathetic and supportive crowds that recognised what the club were trying to do would have avoided todays events. 200,000 supporters on the Saints ticket database, where were you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 200,000 supporters on the Saints ticket database, where were you? Boycotting the Lowe/Wilde PLC and i'm proud of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Is this the same John Smith who vowed not to attend games whilst lowe was in charge. Don't you think you have contributed in some small way to the financial difficulties this club has had of meeting it's on going commitments? I hate to say I told you so but fans choosing to stay away because they disliked the chairman was only going to have one outcome. My view is that had we been able to keep attendances consistently at the 20k level then we may not have the cashflows problems we have now. Pledging your support now is most noble but depressingly empty gesture and what happens if Rupert remains in charge having struck a deal as well reasoned by Beer Engine on another thread? Personally, I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with those fans whom I've stood with all season. Your calls John of finding a common togetherness and we shall not be defeated are somewhat hollow from a person who like many others has contributed to the downfall of the club by stripping it of much needed revenue. As the club did what it could to reduce costs you and many others failed to support them from the word go in August and based purely on prejudice. The problem you have helped to create now is who will buy us with such a weak customer base. Look at the crowds teams like Derby, Norwich and Charlton are achieving and look at the their respective recent past and present problems. The stay aways who gave up on this club are contributory factors to the situation and I indeed hate to say I told you so but it was fairly obvious what would happen eventually without investment and dwindling revenues. We may or may not go into administration but bigger and more sympathetic and supportive crowds that recognised what the club were trying to do would have avoided todays events. 200,000 supporters on the Saints ticket database, where were you? Do you not post from abroad? Do you make it back for every home game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I hate to say I told you so but fans choosing to stay away because they disliked the chairman was only going to have one outcome. My view is that had we been able to keep attendances consistently at the 20k level then we may not have the cashflows problems we have now. Would the same logic hold true if Lowe had stepped down on 'day 1' of the stay-away 'protests' rather than stand his ground for 6+ months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Is this the same John Smith who vowed not to attend games whilst lowe was in charge. Don't you think you have contributed in some small way to the financial difficulties this club has had of meeting it's on going commitments? I hate to say I told you so but fans choosing to stay away because they disliked the chairman was only going to have one outcome. My view is that had we been able to keep attendances consistently at the 20k level then we may not have the cashflows problems we have now. Pledging your support now is most noble but depressingly empty gesture and what happens if Rupert remains in charge having struck a deal as well reasoned by Beer Engine on another thread? Personally, I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with those fans whom I've stood with all season. Your calls John of finding a common togetherness and we shall not be defeated are somewhat hollow from a person who like many others has contributed to the downfall of the club by stripping it of much needed revenue. As the club did what it could to reduce costs you and many others failed to support them from the word go in August and based purely on prejudice. The problem you have helped to create now is who will buy us with such a weak customer base. Look at the crowds teams like Derby, Norwich and Charlton are achieving and look at the their respective recent past and present problems. The stay aways who gave up on this club are contributory factors to the situation and I indeed hate to say I told you so but it was fairly obvious what would happen eventually without investment and dwindling revenues. We may or may not go into administration but bigger and more sympathetic and supportive crowds that recognised what the club were trying to do would have avoided todays events. 200,000 supporters on the Saints ticket database, where were you?NC, you are flogging a dead horse. i wish you had been here all along and tried to reason.I and others have tried that route but you only get back that you are a Lowe Luvvie and many were hoping that it comes to this so they could return. I found it noticable that when the fans returned the atmposphere at a lot of games was worse as they were the ones most likely to lose patience quicker and get on players backs. JS is a supporter and has given reasons why he wouldnt return, but i could never understand them.Saints are saints to me and in the moment of need i dont think I could abandon them, saying that when GH was due to return I was prepared to do so then and so i can understand to a small degree his feelings. If we go down i still can see RL someway involved, and so this fighting will go on and on, that is as depressing as administration IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Would the same logic hold true if Lowe had stepped down on 'day 1' of the stay-away 'protests' rather than stand his ground for 6+ months? Only if being a chairman of a football club or any other company is a personality contest. Lowe did what others should have done a year ago but didn't for fear of their popularity IMO. Doesn't standing his ground = doing what he could to save the club he had proudly brought into the 21st C and didn't we all feel the same not so long ago? He could have stepped down and we could have ended up with some Mike Ashley type of character ready to put up the for sale signs at the first hint of unrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Is this the same John Smith who vowed not to attend games whilst lowe was in charge. Don't you think you have contributed in some small way to the financial difficulties this club has had of meeting it's on going commitments? I hate to say I told you so but fans choosing to stay away because they disliked the chairman was only going to have one outcome. My view is that had we been able to keep attendances consistently at the 20k level then we may not have the cashflows problems we have now. Pledging your support now is most noble but depressingly empty gesture and what happens if Rupert remains in charge having struck a deal as well reasoned by Beer Engine on another thread? Personally, I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with those fans whom I've stood with all season. Your calls John of finding a common togetherness and we shall not be defeated are somewhat hollow from a person who like many others has contributed to the downfall of the club by stripping it of much needed revenue. As the club did what it could to reduce costs you and many others failed to support them from the word go in August and based purely on prejudice. The problem you have helped to create now is who will buy us with such a weak customer base. Look at the crowds teams like Derby, Norwich and Charlton are achieving and look at the their respective recent past and present problems. The stay aways who gave up on this club are contributory factors to the situation and I indeed hate to say I told you so but it was fairly obvious what would happen eventually without investment and dwindling revenues. We may or may not go into administration but bigger and more sympathetic and supportive crowds that recognised what the club were trying to do would have avoided todays events. 200,000 supporters on the Saints ticket database, where were you?[/QUOT Dear oh Dear 19C! Just ignore the ridiculous income Lowe awarded himself as chairman, the unnecessary dividends & share buy backs approved by him & criticise a Saints fan who does not want to contribute to Lowe's coffers. Get the big picture please. He did it this season - not the previous 10 since he arrived with his cronies. What else could he do? Keep paying & then have Lowe tell everyone how well he has done? Did you write the letter he held up at the AGM? There are many contibuters to our downfall, but the largest single reason is Rupert bl00dy Lowe. Then comes Wilde - the rest of us pale in to insignificance. I am another who has not been to St Mary's this year - the first time in 30 years & yes I am proud of it. Mind you I have been to 14 games away from home! I must be a really sh1t Saints fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Do you not post from abroad? Do you make it back for every home game? I usually drive cross country from NW Hants, takes about 45 mins on a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Only if being a chairman of a football club or any other company is a personality contest. Lowe did what others should have done a year ago but didn't for fear of their popularity IMO. Doesn't standing his ground = doing what he could to save the club he had proudly brought into the 21st C and didn't we all feel the same not so long ago? He could have stepped down and we could have ended up with some Mike Ashley type of character ready to put up the for sale signs at the first hint of unrest.I agree with your post until you put the Ashley thing, he has put in about 90m and I doubt the fans would turn on a man who did that.We are a fanbase who will be happy with small mercies but we even havent had those from any of our boards for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 NC, you are flogging a dead horse. i wish you had been here all along and tried to reason.I and others have tried that route but you only get back that you are a Lowe Luvvie and many were hoping that it comes to this so they could return. I found it noticable that when the fans returned the atmposphere at a lot of games was worse as they were the ones most likely to lose patience quicker and get on players backs. JS is a supporter and has given reasons why he wouldnt return, but i could never understand them.Saints are saints to me and in the moment of need i dont think I could abandon them, saying that when GH was due to return I was prepared to do so then and so i can understand to a small degree his feelings. If we go down i still can see RL someway involved, and so this fighting will go on and on, that is as depressing as administration IMO The atmosphere seems quite good at away games Nick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 The atmosphere seems quite good at away games Nick! Agreed. And the following has been numerically good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Is this the same John Smith who vowed not to attend games whilst lowe was in charge. Don't you think you have contributed in some small way to the financial difficulties this club has had of meeting it's on going commitments? I hate to say I told you so but fans choosing to stay away because they disliked the chairman was only going to have one outcome. My view is that had we been able to keep attendances consistently at the 20k level then we may not have the cashflows problems we have now. Pledging your support now is most noble but depressingly empty gesture and what happens if Rupert remains in charge having struck a deal as well reasoned by Beer Engine on another thread? Personally, I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with those fans whom I've stood with all season. Your calls John of finding a common togetherness and we shall not be defeated are somewhat hollow from a person who like many others has contributed to the downfall of the club by stripping it of much needed revenue. As the club did what it could to reduce costs you and many others failed to support them from the word go in August and based purely on prejudice. The problem you have helped to create now is who will buy us with such a weak customer base. Look at the crowds teams like Derby, Norwich and Charlton are achieving and look at the their respective recent past and present problems. The stay aways who gave up on this club are contributory factors to the situation and I indeed hate to say I told you so but it was fairly obvious what would happen eventually without investment and dwindling revenues. We may or may not go into administration but bigger and more sympathetic and supportive crowds that recognised what the club were trying to do would have avoided todays events. 200,000 supporters on the Saints ticket database, where were you? Here we go....NC special....it all the fans fault!!!, those that chose to stay away, that is. The fact that your mate came back, has nothing to do with it:smt017. The fan base is still there, any buyer will know this, they will also know why fans are staying away. NC...you can dress it up any way you like, but it ultimately comes down to one man and his ego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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