saint lard Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4271660.Saints_legend_Mick_furious_at_fans_being_asked_to_donate_cash/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Not a happy bunny and I agree with him 100%. It's not right to ask the fans to front up money but, by the same token, if anyone wants to voluntarily contribute that should be applauded too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Top article And the whole idea of the club going into extinction because of players out on loan on high salaries coming back when we have no gate receipts is just horrific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Top article And the whole idea of the club going into extinction because of players out on loan on high salaries coming back when we have no gate receipts is just horrific I guess that includes the recent return of Saga but also Rasiak and John still to come back? Is there anyone else I'm missing? Either way, good to hear Mick voicing what he feels, he has always spoken his mind, and as with this he is often spot on imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I guess that includes the recent return of Saga but also Rasiak and John still to come back? Is there anyone else I'm missing? Either way, good to hear Mick voicing what he feels, he has always spoken his mind, and as with this he is often spot on imo. Yes I agree he sums up my feelings too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Top article And the whole idea of the club going into extinction because of players out on loan on high salaries coming back when we have no gate receipts is just horrific Is there any reason by players can't be "made redundant" like so many other employees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Is there any reason by players can't be "made redundant" like so many other employees? I'm no expert on these matters but theoretically isn't it the job that's made redundant not the person? Could we claim that we no longer need any centre forwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I'm no expert on these matters but theoretically isn't it the job that's made redundant not the person? Could we claim that we no longer need any centre forwards? Yes, we don't get that far up field 90% of the time so surplus to requirements IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I love his passion. If Lowe & Wilde had half his understanding then we would not be in the mess we are now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Is there any reason by players can't be "made redundant" like so many other employees? Contracts can be canceled, but that usually means they need to be "paid up" unless the player is feeling nice and walks away with nothing more that fond memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Long list of horse's he's training.... http://www.mickchannon.tv/horsesintraining.php# Must be the basis of a rich consortium amongst the owners....come on Mick, you know it makes sense.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I guess that includes the recent return of Saga but also Rasiak and John still to come back? Is there anyone else I'm missing? Nathan Dyer. Not sure how high his wages are though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Contracts can be canceled, but that usually means they need to be "paid up" unless the player is feeling nice and walks away with nothing more that fond memories. I think you are right. It's the fixed term contact that is different from the standard contract of employment. Would have been nice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I think you are right. It's the fixed term contact that is different from the standard contract of employment. Would have been nice though. Can't employees on fixed contracts be sacked due to poor performance though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 well we all know one person who thinks he has nothing to answer for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Can't employees on fixed contracts be sacked due to poor performance though? Yes, but in a footballing context it doesn't really work. How do you identify the poor performers? What are the measurement indicators to apply? How do you sack one midfielder but not another? Do you take on-field discipline into consideration? Do you take brand commerciality into consideration? It just doesn't really work. As an industry, it is just too idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 How do you identify the poor performers? Turn up at SO14 5FP at 3pm every other Saturday? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I'm no expert on these matters but theoretically isn't it the job that's made redundant not the person? Could we claim that we no longer need any centre forwards? Sorry didn't JP and Mark Wotte make that position redundant all season...ONLY joking:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Warburton Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I was there on Saturday and couldn't believe what I was hearing from Leon Crouch. The only person frankly, who should be asking for money is the administrator with properly audited accounts, receipts and transparent accounting. I would contribute what I could afford, but just sending a cheque to some bottomless pit is madness. If Mark Fry wants us to donate, then I will, but only with proper details of where the money is going. Am dreading Watford tonight but going to the match anyway. We might pull off a win and we might escape ten point deduction. Might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I love his passion. If Lowe & Wilde had half his understanding then we would not be in the mess we are now! Passion is cheap when you don't attend matches or put any money into the club. I'm not blaming Mick; he's moved on to another career - another world really. Good luck to him, and thanks for all the memories. But unless he is now prepared to put some of his money in ........... K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I was there on Saturday and couldn't believe what I was hearing from Leon Crouch. The only person frankly, who should be asking for money is the administrator with properly audited accounts, receipts and transparent accounting. I would contribute what I could afford, but just sending a cheque to some bottomless pit is madness. If Mark Fry wants us to donate, then I will, but only with proper details of where the money is going. Am dreading Watford tonight but going to the match anyway. We might pull off a win and we might escape ten point deduction. Might. I agree. Surely any money we donate now would just go to the creditors? Or even to give the shareholders such as Lowe, Wilde and indeed Crouch, some money back on their loss? I'm going to matches, thereby showing the support the club has, but before anything financial I'm waiting till I see who buys us and then will show my support by buying a season ticket etc, whatever league we're in. If however, god forbid, it gets to the stage where the *administrator* says we need £x this week or we go bust for good, then I'll donate. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 The idea of our fans paying money for footballers to continue to take their grossly inflated salaries when a lot of them are struggling to put food on the table - it makes me sick. The players should voluntarily play for free for a while before that happens - I know a few of them are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 This is from mick's website, terry paine's view too plus a little story about a horse called archers road ARCHERS ROAD GIVES THE EX-SAINTS SOMETHING TO CHEERIt was ironic that on a dark day for Mick and so many of his former Southampton team mates that they should be taken on a trip down memory lane by a horse who carried the hopes of many a Sotonians in the opener at Leicester this afternoon. In his red and white silks, Archers Road took the opener at Leicester to lose his maiden tag after finishing second in the Brocklesby on Saturday. This all happened on the very day that Southampton Football Club's parent company entered into administration. Owned by John Webster, the President of the Ex-Saints Association, Archers Road is named after one of the famous ends of The Dell. The Titus Livius colt was given a hands and heels ride by Sam Hitchcott and prompted an immediate phone call to Hodcott House from South Africa. Terry Paine, Southampton's appearance record holder and Mick's boyhood hero picked out the colt with John and was on to offer his congratulations and commiserations in equal measure. "Terry just phoned to express his delight and dismay!" said Mick. "He lives in Johannesburg now, but we are in regular contact over the phone and like me he's disgusted that Saints are in such a state. How has it got so bad? As Painey said, what were the efforts of all the Ex-Saints over the last 40 years for? "A few egotistical men in suits have dismantled what Ted Bates and all of us who followed him acheived over three generations. It beggars belief that it's happened to the such a great club and certain people should hang their heads in shame." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Funny Mick Channon, Matt Le Tissier and Terry Paine[ All Saints legends] detest Lowe and his cronies, surely they cannot all be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Couldn't agree more. Well said Mick. It's shocking really. When you consider past share issues and the actions of the men who have sucked the club dry. Where are they now in our hour of need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick8 Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Passion is cheap when you don't attend matches or put any money into the club. I'm not blaming Mick; he's moved on to another career - another world really. Good luck to him, and thanks for all the memories. But unless he is now prepared to put some of his money in ........... K. ......... then he shouldn't give his opinion when someone asks him a question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Is there any reason by players can't be "made redundant" like so many other employees? I'm no expert on these matters but theoretically isn't it the job that's made redundant not the person? Could we claim that we no longer need any centre forwards? Just do want any other company does and re-brand the positions Centre-Forwards can become Goal Achievers Midfielders - Central Pitch Facilitators etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I agree. Surely any money we donate now would just go to the creditors? Or even to give the shareholders such as Lowe, Wilde and indeed Crouch, some money back on their loss? Shareholders are entitled to NOTHING. They are not creditors, and shareholders (which includes me) now have no standing. Wilde, Crouch and Lowe are the biggest losers. Lowe and Wilde I could't give a **** about, they deserve it, hopefully it will drive Wilde to bankruptcy with his failed businesses. It probably won't impact Lowe too much, he has taken from the business, and is independently wealthy. Leon has lost over £1m, and has accepted thats the case. He is a self made ma, based on earned wealth through his successful businesses. As usual, Mick speaks as he sees, and hits the nail firmly on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 I was there on Saturday and couldn't believe what I was hearing from Leon Crouch. The only person frankly, who should be asking for money is the administrator with properly audited accounts, receipts and transparent accounting. I would contribute what I could afford, but just sending a cheque to some bottomless pit is madness. If Mark Fry wants us to donate, then I will, but only with proper details of where the money is going. Am dreading Watford tonight but going to the match anyway. We might pull off a win and we might escape ten point deduction. Might. Have to say that alot of that is exactly what I am thinking at the moment. I'm just not comfortable with this scattergun approach to throwing money into a bucket, without there first being a clearly identified and explained rationale. I know there is this dilemna regarding keeping the Club alive and not contributing, but I just don't think this should be done in an unorganised and unstructured manner. And as for the OP and Channon's comments, then they are very valid as well. Where else would you get grassroots customers chipping in their cash, only for it to be paid to very rich footballers, just so that "their" Club survives??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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