Wotte Vs Pearson

[Minsk]

After Wotte got a win or two there were loads of posters on here quick to say how great he was and how crap Pearson had been. Can one of those please now show us a comparison in their records as far as games in charge of Saints go as it stands now?

 

Thanks.

[Nineteen Canteen]

After Wotte got a win or two there were loads of posters on here quick to say how great he was and how crap Pearson had been. Can one of those please now show us a comparison in their records as far as games in charge of Saints go as it stands now?

 

Thanks.

 

Shall we compare the circumstances under which both had to manage? Pointless thread which will serve what purpose exactly?

 

Can somebody show me how many people are living in poverty in Southampton today compared with the numbers under Disreali so we can see what a great Prime Minister Gordon Brown is?

 

It's history in different times and conditions and at any rate Pearson will be tested next season so let's see how he gets on as he will need more than just an ability to shout and motivate.

[St Marco]

Shall we compare the circumstances under which both had to manage? Pointless thread which will serve what purpose exactly?

 

Can somebody show me how many people are living in poverty in Southampton today compared with the numbers under Disreali so we can see what a great Prime Minister Gordon Brown is?

 

It's history in different times and conditions and at any rate Pearson will be tested next season so let's see how he gets on as he will need more than just an ability to shout and motivate.

 

Indeed. Can't really compare a guy who has been here for 12 months almost working with the players and staff to a guy who came in from the cold and had an injury hit team with the star players out on loan.

 

But for those who do want to compare the stats are

Pearson Games = 13/14 (depending on if you credit him with the Plymouth game) = 16 points.

Wotte Games = 14 = 15 points

and

Jan's first 14 games = 13 points.

 

At the end of the day it makes no difference what we think about Wotte or any of the managers in years gone by. What matters is right now and what happens in the last remaining games. Time for judgement will be then.

 

But of course there are those who don't quite see the point of judgement and blame, chosing to rather blank out or forget the causes of our demise.

[Arizona]

Under Pearson there was a marked improvement in the determination, fitness and confidence of the players which ultimately led to an improvement in results.

 

Wotte has IMO got a worse squad to utilise, however he has done worse with it. There were 3 good results a few weeks back, but other than that he has shown no improvement what-so-ever over Portaloo.

 

In short, I think Pearson did the best he possibly could under the circumstances, whereas Wotte hasn't. Anyway, this has been done to death, and we just end up going round in circles.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Indeed. Can't really compare a guy who has been here for 12 months almost working with the players and staff to a guy who came in from the cold and had an injury hit team with the star players out on loan.

 

But for those who do want to compare the stats are

Pearson Games = 13/14 (depending on if you credit him with the Plymouth game) = 16 points.

Wotte Games = 14 = 15 points

and

Jan's first 14 games = 13 points.

 

At the end of the day it makes no difference what we think about Wotte or any of the managers in years gone by. What matters is right now and what happens in the last remaining games. Time for judgement will be then.

 

But of course there are those who don't quite see the point of judgement and blame, chosing to rather blank out or forget the causes of our demise.[/QUOTE]

 

Or simply disagree on the degree of culpability being levelled at certain individuals. It has become a pointless debate nonetheless and time to unite and move on. The Administration process should now be the focus of our attention and protecting the gullible.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I won't be sorry to see the back of Mark Wotte and any of the usual suspects still trying to argue that Lowe's decision to dispense with Nigel Pearson's services was the right road to go down needs their head looking at frankly - but that's all in the past now .

 

Pearson /Wotte /Sir Alex Ferguson , any manager would struggle with this squad because put simply they're just not good enough . I think back on the magnificent effort an impoverished AFC Bournemouth put up last season trying to avoid relegation or Fulham's 'great escape' (didn't we used to do them ?) and the obvious lack any such fight from our squad is little better than a disgrace .

 

With a handful of honourable exceptions such as Kelvin Davis any of this seasons squad who find themselves still here next season - if SFC is still here next season - better grow a pair because the individual performance level we've seen from many of them this season is unacceptable in my eyes .

[Daren W]

Shall we compare the circumstances under which both had to manage? Pointless thread which will serve what purpose exactly?

 

Can somebody show me how many people are living in poverty in Southampton today compared with the numbers under Disreali so we can see what a great Prime Minister Gordon Brown is?

 

It's history in different times and conditions and at any rate Pearson will be tested next season so let's see how he gets on as he will need more than just an ability to shout and motivate.

 

So in other words you have no answer... lol

Pearson will go up to the Championship, pass us by, as the manager of the league 1 winners. He'll let that one statistic do all the talking whilst you blow hot air...

Edited 11 April, 2009 by Daren W

[sidthesquid]

Pearson got lucky on the last day, otherwise he would have been the most reviled manager in our history. Personally I like the guy, was quite pleased he got given a chance here & was sorry to see him go. BUT his record here was not great, we had some truly shocking performances under him & he got away with it by the skin of his teeth. So, promising young manager who I hope succeeds - yes. Greatest manager we ever had - no. As the stats show, there is not much difference between him & Wotte, but I think Wotte will be the unfortunate one to take us down

[chocco boxo]

I can only assume but I feel that Pearson if given the job would have made a better go of it than our two dutch plums but again would he had put up with RL vision and interfering?

We will never know, the sad thing is we are in such a sad state and the fans are not united anymore.

Just hoping we can pull survival out of the bag !

[hugh]

Pearson got lucky on the last day, otherwise he would have been the most reviled manager in our history. Personally I like the guy, was quite pleased he got given a chance here & was sorry to see him go. BUT his record here was not great, we had some truly shocking performances under him & he got away with it by the skin of his teeth. So, promising young manager who I hope succeeds - yes. Greatest manager we ever had - no. As the stats show, there is not much difference between him & Wotte, but I think Wotte will be the unfortunate one to take us down

 

He has what is arguably the greatest attribute of a manager. He is lucky.

 

Lucky that he was able to come to a rubbish side and very theatrically keep us up on the last day. He was lucky he was then able to avoid being manager of this train wreck of a club and take over an inferior club and succeed most emphatically. He will pass us on his way up.

 

Who's laughing now.

 

Bitter? Me?

[NickG]

After Wotte got a win or two there were loads of posters on here quick to say how great he was and how crap Pearson had been. Can one of those please now show us a comparison in their records as far as games in charge of Saints go as it stands now?

 

Thanks.

 

and can't remember anyone saying np was crap.

[solentstars]

Shall we compare the circumstances under which both had to manage? Pointless thread which will serve what purpose exactly?

 

Can somebody show me how many people are living in poverty in Southampton today compared with the numbers under Disreali so we can see what a great Prime Minister Gordon Brown is?

 

It's history in different times and conditions and at any rate Pearson will be tested next season so let's see how he gets on as he will need more than just an ability to shout and motivate.

got to agree another pointless thread,

[Daren W]

and can't remember anyone saying np was crap.

 

Have a look at Sundance Canteen' posts Nick. It would appear that all Pearson can do is shout, employ aged loanees who hoof the ball up field.

I don't think anyone thinks he's the next Alex Ferguson but the way the two paths will cross at the end of the season, his promotion/our relegation, would indicate he was right and we were wrong...

[NickG]

ok maybe one poster! hardly worth thread could have pm'ed him!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

and can't remember anyone saying np was crap.

Funny I seem to remember plenty on this going on .

 

'To damn with faint praise' - definition

to praise so moderately as, in effect, to condemn: The critic damned the opera with faint praise when he termed the production adequate.

Ring any bells ?

[Wes Tender]

It's an interesting exercise from one perspective alone; it is just another example, if indeed one was needed, that Lowe hasn't got a clue about appointing or keeping a decent manager. Also that he does not have the mental capacity to learn from his mistakes, as he had travelled this road before with Gray and Wigley. It also highlights his petty and childish demeanour that he couldn't bear to keep Crouch's man who might have had more success than his chosen two.

 

But the appointment of Poortvliet and Wotte, the loaning out of proven strikers and the playing of the youngsters was a major error of judgement tantamount to gross incompetance and negligence.

[InvictaSaint]

Shall we compare the circumstances under which both had to manage? Pointless thread which will serve what purpose exactly?

 

Can somebody show me how many people are living in poverty in Southampton today compared with the numbers under Disreali so we can see what a great Prime Minister Gordon Brown is?

 

It's history in different times and conditions and at any rate Pearson will be tested next season so let's see how he gets on as he will need more than just an ability to shout and motivate.

 

And as Pearson passes us by on his way to being tested next season, I will wager, 19C, that he will glance at us as he whizzes by and will not only wonder how JP, MW, Gorre and Kim the agent all worked out cheaper than him ( we were after all cutting costs weren't we...?) but will also issue a more than reasonable "**** you" to Saints and to Rupert for treating him so appallingly. And you know what? He will have EVERY right to feel smug. I for one wish the bloke every ounce of luck in the CCC next season.

[OldNick]

To be fair NP had the luxury of having John and many of the other highly paid players last season combined with some expensive loans.

At this moment the clubs very existance is more important than who was best manager.

We had to reduce the baank overdraft by 1.5m that increased to 2.5m whoever was in charge would have little to work with.They wouldnt have a 25 goal forward and the ability to sign loanees from Arsenal or Man u, add to that being bankrolled to the tune of just under 10m.

It is not a fair comparison, and after the initial few weeks where I thought that Wotte had made a good start the last 3 games has killed that.

[VectisSaint]

and can't remember anyone saying np was crap.

Oh please, the Lowe Luvvies were having a field day, taking the **** out of NP, calling him the worlds greatest manager and pointing out that Wotte had gained more points etc etc. Now the boot is on the other foot, these people, includign you seemingly, have selective memories and think these comparisons now are meaningless, or worse even deny they ever took place.

 

It really doesn't mean much I have to agree, the fact is that NP kept us up, while JP and MW between them will take us down to our lowest level in over 50 years. NP turned a bunch of players with zero confidence and very poor fitness levels around after Burley, Dodd and Gorman did their best to finish them off, brought is some new faces and instilled passion and desire into the players and in the end just about scraped the desired result. MW has done nothing and the saddest thing is that we are going down without a fight, 6 or 7 games now without a win, and with no prospect of even looking like winning, players looking dejected and unfit (again), its pathetic, and the end reward for all of Wilde and Lowe's hard work in destroying this Club.

[sadoldgit]

Can you really blame Wotte for three terrible bits of defending? This is a poor side and I would be very suprised if Pearson could do much better with this squad. He did very well to get thre wins on the bounce and give us some hope. If players go to sleep who is at fault, the manager or the player?

[um pahars]

Shall we compare

 

Shall we compare all your various posts under all your various guises?:smt119

[um pahars]

It is not a fair comparison,

 

Fair is not the right word, "impossible" to compare/prove might be more appropriate.

 

That said, it didn't stop you wittering on about it a few weeks back when Wotte had his purple patch, so please spare us the "It is not a fair comparison" when things aren't as rosey.

[JustMike]

Shall we compare the circumstances under which both had to manage? Pointless thread which will serve what purpose exactly?

 

Can somebody show me how many people are living in poverty in Southampton today compared with the numbers under Disreali so we can see what a great Prime Minister Gordon Brown is?

 

It's history in different times and conditions and at any rate Pearson will be tested next season so let's see how he gets on as he will need more than just an ability to shout and motivate.

 

yes ok lets...

 

NP came in with a team with NO belief, no motivation, unfit, up in the air boardroom, best players out on loan. And he turned it round, he made the team fitter, worked harder both for themselves and each other, they believed in their own ability. Got the fans behind the team again. If you really think it was just a case of him "standing there shouting and pointing" then what you know about football you can write on a stamp.

 

Still, i do agree with you that it is pointless comparing as it solves nothing for the current time, apart from Lowe got it wrong in my opinion.

[eelpie]

It's a no-brainer. Pearson learned fast and delivered the goods

[OldNick]

Oh please, the Lowe Luvvies were having a field day, taking the **** out of NP, calling him the worlds greatest manager and pointing out that Wotte had gained more points etc etc. Now the boot is on the other foot, these people, includign you seemingly, have selective memories and think these comparisons now are meaningless, or worse even deny they ever took place.

 

It really doesn't mean much I have to agree, the fact is that NP kept us up, while JP and MW between them will take us down to our lowest level in over 50 years. NP turned a bunch of players with zero confidence and very poor fitness levels around after Burley, Dodd and Gorman did their best to finish them off, brought is some new faces and instilled passion and desire into the players and in the end just about scraped the desired result. MW has done nothing and the saddest thing is that we are going down without a fight, 6 or 7 games now without a win, and with no prospect of even looking like winning, players looking dejected and unfit (again), its pathetic, and the end reward for all of Wilde and Lowe's hard work in destroying this Club.

unfortunately the fans aredivided , this issue is another that will run. It is impossible to say what would have happened .Myself I believe he would have done better over the season that the Dutch duo, but so would have Wotte. The whole problem stems from the fact that we had to slash costs and so any quality we had (that was not much) and work with what was left.IMO NP had a far better squad to work with and for 1 reason alone he should have been kept on was that the fans were right behind him.

We as a fan base have to move on from all this.

Are we going to talk about RL and NP forever, it is tiring and devisive.

The fans have their minds mind up and unless facts come out to change our mindsets nothing will change.

[benjii]

To be fair NP had the luxury of having John and many of the other highly paid players last season combined with some expensive loans.

At this moment the clubs very existance is more important than who was best manager.

We had to reduce the baank overdraft by 1.5m that increased to 2.5m whoever was in charge would have little to work with.They wouldnt have a 25 goal forward and the ability to sign loanees from Arsenal or Man u, add to that being bankrolled to the tune of just under 10m.

It is not a fair comparison, and after the initial few weeks where I thought that Wotte had made a good start the last 3 games has killed that.

 

Well we signed one from Chelsea so I'm not too sure about that.

 

We defintely did choose to sign a raft of utter ****e though.

[um pahars]

I won't be sorry to see the back of Mark Wotte and any of the usual suspects still trying to argue that Lowe's decision to dispense with Nigel Pearson's services was the right road to go down needs their head looking at frankly - but that's all in the past now .

 

Pearson /Wotte /Sir Alex Ferguson , any manager would struggle with this squad because put simply they're just not good enough . I think back on the magnificent effort an impoverished AFC Bournemouth put up last season trying to avoid relegation or Fulham's 'great escape' (didn't we used to do them ?) and the obvious lack any such fight from our squad is little better than a disgrace .

 

With a handful of honourable exceptions such as Kelvin Davis any of this seasons squad who find themselves still here next season - if SFC is still here next season - better grow a pair because the individual performance level we've seen from many of them this season is unacceptable in my eyes .

 

That squad is not worthy of a promotion push, but I also don't believe it's the second worst in the division.

 

Put us up against a few of those teams down the bottom and man for man I reckon we're better in many positions.

 

IMHO I'm afraid the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up have a lot to answer for. We have seen in patches that this team can perform, it's just that the managers this season have not managed to get any consistency from them.

 

Players must of course take their share of responsibility, but IMHO the manager is the most important person at any club and he can make the most impact on the team and on results.

 

Get that appointment wrong and you struggle.

[OldNick]

Fair is not the right word, "impossible" to compare/prove might be more appropriate.

 

That said, it didn't stop you wittering on about it a few weeks back when Wotte had his purple patch, so please spare us the "It is not a fair comparison" when things aren't as rosey.

You are wrong, I have made it clear all along I dont rate NP as some demi god as some do but he should have been kept on. Wotte's stats still are comparable to NP's with a lesser squad, it proves nothing and so your barb is not called for.3 wins in 17 games was relegation form as well, fortune favoured us last season in the run in and I was as delighted as anyone.

[um pahars]

unfortunately the fans aredivided

 

Divided intimates a split down the middle, and I don't anything could be further from the truth.

 

Feel free to start a list of those who you know would have preferred Poortvliet/Wotte to Pearson for this season.

[Alain Perrin]

Daren made a good point on another thread:

 

"Pearson was every inch a Lowe appointment. Young, ambitious, British with a strong working knowledge of youth and how to bring them on with his England under 21 experience."

 

I too find it strange that Lowe didn't continue with him, he had the fans on his side after a great escape - so there must have been another reason.

 

- Ego - the 'Lunatic fringe's' favorite reason. Lowe has had belief in the Ajax model since pre-Burley.

 

- Money - did Pearson really cost more (enough to make a difference)?

 

- Loyalty - Lowe had let Wotte down once before, perhaps he felt guilty about that?

 

- Ability - Under 21 experience has bitten us before - stand up Mr Wigley.

 

- Timing - Lowe was plotting his return and the management structure before Pearson came good/got lucky (depending on your view point).

 

 

So take your pick. Personally I liked Pearson, was happy for him to stay, but think we'd have struggled anyway. We've missed our big money players this year no doubt (even if they were rubbish last year too!).

[OldNick]

Divided intimates a split down the middle, and I don't anything could be further from the truth.

 

Feel free to start a list of those who you know would have preferred Poortvliet/Wotte to Pearson for this season.

I still think we are divided over the rights and wrongs of RL's plans. NP was a part of that. I still understand why some of the decisions were taken regarding cutting expenditure.You are right his decision regarding NP was wrong.

Would he have put the plans he had under the noses of the bank before he came back to reassure them he meant business regarding getting our overdraft down? NP's success has bred more certainty that RL's decision was wrong, when Leicester were stalling earlier in the season it went quiet for a bit.

I dont wish to carry on debating NP as he should not have been replaced.

[um pahars]

- Ego - the 'Lunatic fringe's' favorite reason. Lowe has had belief in the Ajax model since pre-Burley. Main one for me, hands down. This was about Lowe coming back in, setting out his stall, making his mark and leaving in triumph. It was his way of saying, I do know what I'm doing and I've got unfinished business.

 

- Money - did Pearson really cost more (enough to make a difference)? Totally irrelevant. In the grand scheme of things it is pennies for the most important person at the Club. Also don't buy the tie in that Pearson wanted money to spend etc as he was more than aware (and vocal about it) that he understood we were in the mire and things would be different.

 

- Loyalty - Lowe had let Wotte down once before, perhaps he felt guilty about that? Don't think so. When push came to shove last time there was no loyalty when he dumped Wotte for Burley. He also showed no loyalty when he had to push some of his other appointees out the way.

 

- Ability - Under 21 experience has bitten us before - stand up Mr Wigley. Don't buy it. One of the reasons Poortvliet was bigged up was his involvement and use of youngsters. On top of that Wotte has U 21 experience.

 

- Timing - Lowe was plotting his return and the management structure before Pearson came good/got lucky (depending on your view point). Maybe, but I think that ties in with EGO as Lowe had this plan mooching about probably from around Xmas 2007.

 

However, he still had time to back down as Pearson was in situ way before his plans started to firm up, and as he showed when he bombed out Wotte at the last minute for Burley, there was still a chance to go with Pearson right up until that fateful decision

 

So take your pick. Personally I liked Pearson, was happy for him to stay, but think we'd have struggled anyway. We've missed our big money players this year no doubt (even if they were rubbish last year too!).

 

I think ego and Lowe having some unfinished business and wanting to prove himself were the overiding factors.

[eelpie]

Can you really blame Wotte for three terrible bits of defending? This is a poor side and I would be very suprised if Pearson could do much better with this squad. He did very well to get thre wins on the bounce and give us some hope. If players go to sleep who is at fault, the manager or the player?

 

We can blame Wotte for his role in Rupert's 'experiment' of signing insignificant players, but no experienced RB's.

[docker-p]

Divided intimates a split down the middle, and I don't anything could be further from the truth.

 

Feel free to start a list of those who you know would have preferred Poortvliet/Wotte to Pearson for this season.

 

Nothing scientific, but of the people i talk to i have yet to meet anyone who thinks we would be in the relegation zone if NP was still here. Only a handful of posters on here. The all too vocal minority.

[John B]

I think Wotte and Pearson are both OK

 

and Wotte pretty realistic if the team cannot carry out his demands what can he do

 

Southampton coach Mark Wotte on his team's start:

"It throws away all the preparations. We knew that Wolves would be on fire after their performance against Birmingham so we told them to be very aggressive at the beginning of the match.

 

"We expected Wolves like they came, but if you don't win your headers and don't attack the ball then it's already a very difficult game.

 

"After 20 minutes they get the penalty and it's 3-0, and it's more or less game over.

 

"I'm just blaming my team for not dealing with set-pieces better than they did."

[Daren W]

Daren made a good point on another thread:

 

"Pearson was every inch a Lowe appointment. Young, ambitious, British with a strong working knowledge of youth and how to bring them on with his England under 21 experience."

 

I too find it strange that Lowe didn't continue with him, he had the fans on his side after a great escape - so there must have been another reason.

 

- Ego - the 'Lunatic fringe's' favorite reason. Lowe has had belief in the Ajax model since pre-Burley.

 

- Money - did Pearson really cost more (enough to make a difference)?

 

- Loyalty - Lowe had let Wotte down once before, perhaps he felt guilty about that?

 

- Ability - Under 21 experience has bitten us before - stand up Mr Wigley.

 

- Timing - Lowe was plotting his return and the management structure before Pearson came good/got lucky (depending on your view point).

 

 

So take your pick. Personally I liked Pearson, was happy for him to stay, but think we'd have struggled anyway. We've missed our big money players this year no doubt (even if they were rubbish last year too!).

 

But again, with the loyalty argument, why hire Poortvielt? Did Wotte not want the responsibility? If he didn't why take the reins when we're nailled on certainties for relegation?

It just doesn't add up..

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

That squad is not worthy of a promotion push, but I also don't believe it's the second worst in the division.

 

Put us up against a few of those teams down the bottom and man for man I reckon we're better in many positions.

 

IMHO I'm afraid the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up have a lot to answer for. We have seen in patches that this team can perform, it's just that the managers this season have not managed to get any consistency from them.

 

Players must of course take their share of responsibility, but IMHO the manager is the most important person at any club and he can make the most impact on the team and on results.

 

Get that appointment wrong and you struggle.

 

I'm with you 100% regarding the critical importance of appointing the right Manager (Manager not 'Head Coach' mind you) and looking at the team-sheet you'd think we could well be a few places above the relegation zone with a bit of luck (or more pertinently better leadership) but that's all history now .

 

In this crisis for our club I'm looking for the players to show the strength of character needed to fight SFC out of the bottom 3 and I'm just not seeing it . Mark Wotte or Jan Poortvleit would certainly not have been my choices to manage the team but that won't wash as an excuse for the abysmal performances we've seen from many of our players during these last few crucial weeks IMO .

 

There's plenty of blame to go round for getting us into this situation and I think you and I can agree on whose shoulders most of it lies , but ultimatly only the players (irrespective of who happens to be managing them) could have gotten us out of this 'train wreck' of a season - this morning it looks like they're failed in that task I'm sorry to say .

[solentstars]

Can you really blame Wotte for three terrible bits of defending? This is a poor side and I would be very suprised if Pearson could do much better with this squad. He did very well to get thre wins on the bounce and give us some hope. If players go to sleep who is at fault, the manager or the player?

it sums up the season for me just another thread to stick the boot into our club, i am more worried about hopeing the club survive.

[NickG]

Oh please, the Lowe Luvvies were having a field day, taking the **** out of NP, calling him the worlds greatest manager and pointing out that Wotte had gained more points etc etc. Now the boot is on the other foot, these people, includign you seemingly, have selective memories and think these comparisons now are meaningless, or worse even deny they ever took place.

 

It really doesn't mean much I have to agree, the fact is that NP kept us up, while JP and MW between them will take us down to our lowest level in over 50 years. NP turned a bunch of players with zero confidence and very poor fitness levels around after Burley, Dodd and Gorman did their best to finish them off, brought is some new faces and instilled passion and desire into the players and in the end just about scraped the desired result. MW has done nothing and the saddest thing is that we are going down without a fight, 6 or 7 games now without a win, and with no prospect of even looking like winning, players looking dejected and unfit (again), its pathetic, and the end reward for all of Wilde and Lowe's hard work in destroying this Club.

 

think most of the debate was where on a scale from doing ok/pretty good to being a legend he was. Some were placing his achievements as a saints legend - few possibly. Most think he did pretty well and should have stayed. Cannot remember anyone saying he was crap. Think the **** take was over some ott compliments rather than knocking him.

[benjii]

think most of the debate was where on a scale from doing ok/pretty good to being a legend he was. Some were placing his achievements as a saints legend - few possibly. Most think he did pretty well and should have stayed. Cannot remember anyone saying he was crap. Think the **** take was over some ott compliments rather than knocking him.

 

Don't you remember Scooby?

[St Paul]

I dont think we'd be in the bottom 2 and in admin had Pearson still been Manager. I dont think leicester would be promoted if Wotte was their Manager, but that's just my opinion.

 

The facts are Lowe got rid of Pearson, and yet we still ended up in admin, and will be relegated. Lowe's policies failed on the pitch and off it, how people can still defend him is beyond me.

[londonsaint1604]

After Wotte got a win or two there were loads of posters on here quick to say how great he was and how crap Pearson had been. Can one of those please now show us a comparison in their records as far as games in charge of Saints go as it stands now?

 

Thanks.

 

I can't believe that after 3 wins in a row I dared to express some optimism and belief in the new manager. I bet your delighted that I've been proved wrong now.

[Minsk]

Indeed. Can't really compare a guy who has been here for 12 months almost working with the players and staff to a guy who came in from the cold and had an injury hit team with the star players out on loan.

 

But for those who do want to compare the stats are

Pearson Games = 13/14 (depending on if you credit him with the Plymouth game) = 16 points.

Wotte Games = 14 = 15 points

and

Jan's first 14 games = 13 points.

 

 

 

Thanks for the info. I was just sat here wondering what the stats were last night and was to tired/lazy to work it out for myself.

[Minsk]

it sums up the season for me just another thread to stick the boot into our club, i am more worried about hopeing the club survive.

 

How is this thread 'sticking the boot into the club'? And how is it going to effect the outcome of our season?

 

If you don't like the thread then don't read it.

 

There are plenty of threads on this site that I think are pointless, but I don't say so on them. I think doing so would be even more pointless!

[Minsk]

I can't believe that after 3 wins in a row I dared to express some optimism and belief in the new manager. I bet your delighted that I've been proved wrong now.

 

To be perfectly honest I can't remember a single a post you have ever made.

 

I think it was JFP who was making an almost daily thread at the time of those rare wins, but this thread wasn't aimed at him either.

 

As with every other Saints fan, I would have been ecstatically happy had Wotte led Saints to victory in every single match. As it stands now I am extremely disappointed that the early promise he showed proved to be a false dawn.

 

I apologise for wondering just how the two of them had panned out over the same number of games in charge.

[Minsk]

I dont think we'd be in the bottom 2 and in admin had Pearson still been Manager. I dont think leicester would be promoted if Wotte was their Manager, but that's just my opinion.

 

The facts are Lowe got rid of Pearson, and yet we still ended up in admin, and will be relegated. Lowe's policies failed on the pitch and off it, how people can still defend him is beyond me.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with all of the above!

[solentstars]

How is this thread 'sticking the boot into the club'? And how is it going to effect the outcome of our season?

 

If you don't like the thread then don't read it.

 

There are plenty of threads on this site that I think are pointless, but I don't say so on them. I think doing so would be even more pointless!

its the same old knocking nonsence like harry hill sketch-whos better.

pearson had threads like this last season when he was be knocked.

[Minsk]

its the same old knocking nonsence like harry hill sketch-whos better.

pearson had threads like this last season when he was be knocked.

 

 

 

:confused::confused::confused:

[OldNick]

Its a sahme that we couldnt go back and read the posts made after the Burnley home matxch last season, i dont think the support about what a great manager he was quite so high then.

Thats football though, the margin for success and failure is so fine. If we had our way LM would have been sacked well before he glory years.

NP did ok and has been a good appointment for Mandaric, that galls me as much as anything. That smug runt.

[solentstars]

Its a sahme that we couldnt go back and read the posts made after the Burnley home matxch last season, i dont think the support about what a great manager he was quite so high then.

Thats football though, the margin for success and failure is so fine. If we had our way LM would have been sacked well before he glory years.

NP did ok and has been a good appointment for Mandaric, that galls me as much as anything. That smug runt.

yes i agree 100% agree nick