stevegrant Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 The Saints Trust are co-ordinating a bucket collection at tomorrow's game, taking an "every little helps" attitude. They are looking for a number of volunteers to help with this collection, which will run between approx 1.45 and 2.55 - if you are willing to help, please e-mail Nick Illingsworth at bucketcollection@saintsweb.co.uk (that address forwards to his personal address) with your name and a contact phone number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 whats the basic wage stevie g? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 The Saints Trust are co-ordinating a bucket collection at tomorrow's game, taking an "every little helps" attitude. They are looking for a number of volunteers to help with this collection, which will run between approx 1.45 and 2.55 - if you are willing to help, please e-mail Nick Illingsworth at bucketcollection@saintsweb.co.uk (that address forwards to his personal address) with your name and a contact phone number. Steve, this really hacks me off, it's a fiasco and bloody incompetent, Wednesday I emailed John O'Sullivan, commercial director about a bucket collection, and offered to try and raise 100 volunteers if we could. David Luker emailed me back on Thursday, the Trust are doing a bucket collection and don't need volunteers. If volunteers were needed though he would email me immediately. No wonder we are in the bloody mess we are, they don't even have the wit to organise a bloody bucket collection properly. It's alright talking about things, but to get things done it takes a lot more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Might be a good idea for a couple bucket collectors to hang around the player's entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Might be a good idea for a couple bucket collectors to hang around the player's entrance. Should bring in a couple of half eaten birianis and a couple of beer cans. And that's only at half-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 I heard BWP might be interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 The fact that this club has been reduced to such penury that as desperate measure as this has even been contemplated is a sad indictment of those that led us into this predicament , I include everyone from the boardroom on down in that . The senior players earning £1000's every week need to take the old proverbial 'Long Hard Look' at themselves as they witness fans (many of them earning minimum wage) putting their hands in their pockets to pay players wages in effect - it wouldn't be so bad if you thought for one minute many of them actually deserved it . :mad: I'll Probably put something in the bucket in the hope that it will help prevent the club I love from kicking the bucket as it were , but I will tell you this - I'll NEVER criticise any Saints fan who finds the whole business of robbing the poor to pay the rich absurd and decides to save their hard earned cash for spending on their family where it belongs , they may well be in the right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Totally agree - I notice that not a single player / manager or coach is on the list of £1000 or more donors on the official site. If i was earning £8000 a week i would have the commonsense to chip in £1000 so it at least looks as if i care about the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Totally agree - I notice that not a single player / manager or coach is on the list of £1000 or more donors on the official site. If i was earning £8000 a week i would have the commonsense to chip in £1000 so it at least looks as if i care about the club. Why? Players aren't charitable organisations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Totally agree - I notice that not a single player / manager or coach is on the list of £1000 or more donors on the official site. If i was earning £8000 a week i would have the commonsense to chip in £1000 so it at least looks as if i care about the club. Come on where's your compassion , do you know how much it costs our greatful players to top up there beamer's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Why? Players aren't charitable organisations. So supporters on £200 a week are charitable organisations then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Come on where's your compassion , do you know how much it costs our greatful players to top up there beamer's No - thats too poor an example for BWP or Mule - probably Molyneaux level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Why? Players aren't charitable organisations. ... and neither are the fans being asked to pay their wages - twice . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 ... and neither are the fans being asked to pay their wages - twice . Which is why players should never be contracted at unsupportable salaries. I wouldn't give a halfpenny for fear that it would end up in Jason Euell's pocket. Fans should think long and hard before giving up their hard earned, you know where it will end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 No - thats too poor an example for BWP or Mule - probably Molyneaux level. LOL I thought it was Anthony Pulis prize for most consistant player of the season:) Bless he must need the cash to pay for the re-covering of the treatment table , got to be worn out by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Which is why players should never be contracted at unsupportable salaries. That I'm sure we can all agree on . The era of the £8-£15k a week footballer at this club is well and truly over once current contracts expire (or before if we don't find a buyer) - and good riddance to it many will say . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Why? Players aren't charitable organisations. They are the ****ing charity. We're collecting money because the club spunked all theirs trying to keep their star players above the breadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 They are the ****ing charity. We're collecting money because the club spunked all theirs trying to keep their star players above the breadline. You're preaching to the converted, no-one on this forum or it's predecessor has been more anti-stars that don't perform very often than myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 (edited) That I'm sure we can all agree on . The era of the £8-£15k a week footballer at this club is well and truly over once current contracts expire (or before if we don't find a buyer) - and good riddance to it many will say . They hardly earn 8k or more a week, apart from Stacel, Euell, Rasiak, Stern John, Kelvin Davis, Saga, BWP and Maybe Surman. Damn.. that is bad Edited 12 April, 2009 by Calvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Steve, this really hacks me off, it's a fiasco and bloody incompetent, Wednesday I emailed John O'Sullivan, commercial director about a bucket collection, and offered to try and raise 100 volunteers if we could. David Luker emailed me back on Thursday, the Trust are doing a bucket collection and don't need volunteers. If volunteers were needed though he would email me immediately. No wonder we are in the bloody mess we are, they don't even have the wit to organise a bloody bucket collection properly. It's alright talking about things, but to get things done it takes a lot more than that. I can't help thinking that there are some people including Luker who stil need to be cleared out of the club to make it successful. I emailed him a year or so back suggesting that they made the early bird savers for STs available for all as they needed as many new customers as they could get. He replied (promptly) assuring me that they were sure they had the structure right and that there was no need to allow new ST holders in at March Madness prices. Well that worked didn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 I can't help thinking that there are some people including Luker who stil need to be cleared out of the club to make it successful. I emailed him a year or so back suggesting that they made the early bird savers for STs available for all as they needed as many new customers as they could get. He replied (promptly) assuring me that they were sure they had the structure right and that there was no need to allow new ST holders in at March Madness prices. Well that worked didn't it. Probably a comfort factor, that needs to be surgically removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Totally agree - I notice that not a single player / manager or coach is on the list of £1000 or more donors on the official site. If i was earning £8000 a week i would have the commonsense to chip in £1000 so it at least looks as if i care about the club. What list is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 What list is this? Do keep up Clarkie;) it's on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 I can't help thinking that there are some people including Luker who stil need to be cleared out of the club to make it successful. I emailed him a year or so back suggesting that they made the early bird savers for STs available for all as they needed as many new customers as they could get. He replied (promptly) assuring me that they were sure they had the structure right and that there was no need to allow new ST holders in at March Madness prices. Well that worked didn't it. TBF to the guy he doesn't have that power, it would have been the Board only who could say yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Do keep up Clarkie;) it's on the OS. But who reads that these days ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 can't see how this will make a difference - if we get bought this hopefully won't be needed, if we don't then it won't make any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 But who reads that these days ? All the information in the posts on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 i'm a bit confused as when I spoke to DL on Wednesday he said that the club were sort of shying away from this approach at the moment until the points deduction thing is sorted out - so not quite sure why we have gone direct to 'Bucket Collection' when something more high profile might have been better advise. I suggested that everyone donates a days wages, this would be a catch all situation and relatively means tested. DL also suggested how stretched the staff were in order to organise this so I would suggest we get a fund raising committee sorted pronto - hence also suggesting we rush through the fans parliament, but instead this has been put on the back burner. If we are in a tunnel does anyone know where the light is so we can at least aim in that general direction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 i'm a bit confused as when I spoke to DL on Wednesday he said that the club were sort of shying away from this approach at the moment until the points deduction thing is sorted out - so not quite sure why we have gone direct to 'Bucket Collection' when something more high profile might have been better advise. I suggested that everyone donates a days wages, this would be a catch all situation and relatively means tested. DL also suggested how stretched the staff were in order to organise this so I would suggest we get a fund raising committee sorted pronto - hence also suggesting we rush through the fans parliament, but instead this has been put on the back burner. If we are in a tunnel does anyone know where the light is so we can at least aim in that general direction! It's the Saints trust running it, not the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 can't see how this will make a difference - if we get bought this hopefully won't be needed, if we don't then it won't make any difference. I have yet to hear a sensible argument as to why this post isn't spot-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Window Cleaner Full Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: hiding in shadows where I don't belong Posts: 3,521 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by andybeal Totally agree - I notice that not a single player / manager or coach is on the list of £1000 or more donors on the official site. If i was earning £8000 a week i would have the commonsense to chip in £1000 so it at least looks as if i care about the club. Why? Players aren't charitable organisations. Players may not be but we are paying people under false pretences. Players they most certainly have not been this season or last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Do keep up Clarkie;) it's on the OS. I've looked but can't see any obvious titles, and am too lazy to look through them all. EDIT: found it now. Bandai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 I have yet to hear a sensible argument as to why this post isn't spot-on. I agree with you and NickG but can only assume it is because people don't know what to do in the helplessness of it all and thus are doing something rather than nothing. Unfortunately for them that 'something' is pointlessly throwing their money away. IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Bucket collections work for clubs who owe a few thousand, not £30 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Having paid up front for my season ticket for years and lost money on my shareholding, regretfully I will not put any money in a bucket to cover players wages, when they earn far more I ever dreamed of and most are intellectually challenged. If they all should come out and state that they will be giving back a % of their wages to the club, I would donate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Having paid up front for my season ticket for years and lost money on my shareholding, regretfully I will not put any money in a bucket to cover players wages, when they earn far more I ever dreamed of and most are intellectually challenged. If they all should come out and state that they will be giving back a % of their wages to the club, I would donate. for these reasons and ones I have put above - I won't put anything in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Having paid up front for my season ticket for years and lost money on my shareholding, regretfully I will not put any money in a bucket to cover players wages, when they earn far more I ever dreamed of and most are intellectually challenged. If they all should come out and state that they will be giving back a % of their wages to the club, I would donate. The company that I work for are not doing well in the present economic climate, we have 'had' to all take a 10% pay cut for the rest of 2009 to help preserve the company,why can't all the players show similar understanding of the saints situation and offer a wage cut. Mind you inappropriate salaries for our level of income is one of the roots of our current problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublesaint Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 What exactly is going to be done with the money collected, who is in charge of it and for example if someone does come in and buy the club and wipes out the overdraft etc, what happens to it then. I would not give a penny in the circumstances where a club has been financially ran into the ground by paying too high a wage bill in relation to the incoming revenue,Saints may well go under completely, but they will not be the last in the current climate where exhorbitant salaries are made to distinctly average players. Also instead of bucket collections, people may have thought about the financial effects of boycotts etc through the entire season, in effect they would have been doing what is suggested now had they turned up at St Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Baz Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Having paid up front for my season ticket for years and lost money on my shareholding, regretfully I will not put any money in a bucket to cover players wages, when they earn far more I ever dreamed of and most are intellectually challenged. If they all should come out and state that they will be giving back a % of their wages to the club, I would donate. A spot on post Rooney! I feel the exact same way. The amount of money I & other fans have spent this & previous seasons, season tickets, merchandise, refreshments etc should have been more than enough to support this club. Is it our fault the ex-board wasted money this season on players like Pulis, Gasmi & Schneiderlin amongst others, when the club was already on it's knees? Of course not. Also, if the players had shown half as much loyalty, commitment & passion as us fans this season, we wouldn't be in the relegation fight we are in now. We have a more than adequate side on paper, but the majority are a bunch of lazy, over-paid, money grabbing bast*rds, who, from what was dispalyed at the Wolves game recently, don't give a sh1t about the plight of our beloved club. So, until commitment shown by them on & off the field, pay cuts, deferring wages, donating to the cause etc, I personally, will not put a penny in the bucket! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 If people want to donate wouldn't they be better off just buying a few extra tickets or something from the store? At least then it would show up in the accounts as ticket/merchandise sales and the club would look more attractive to an investor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 I would urge fans to make a point by refusing to put money in but to give the club the support by turning up and cheering them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Can I just ask, when another poster on here suggested a Bucket Collection, he was shot down in flames? Yet this one is getting quite alot of support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Can I just ask, when another poster on here suggested a Bucket Collection, he was shot down in flames? Yet this one is getting quite alot of support? the sign of "support" will be what's in the buckets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Many seem to be questioning the logic of the bucket collections. Surely the idea is to ensure the club keeps going long enough to find a buyer ? That has to make sense ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilf Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 I can't get there today so I've just ordered a load of stuff from the on-line store. Next I'll have to persuade my family that these items are what they want to give me for my birthday. Good luck to all of you going today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Many seem to be questioning the logic of the bucket collections. Surely the idea is to ensure the club keeps going long enough to find a buyer ? That has to make sense ? sounds good in principal but can't see the logic in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 I would urge fans to make a point by refusing to put money in but to give the club the support by turning up and cheering them on. After looking at all the scenario's I feel that's just as bad as the other idiots who were refusing to go to St Mary's, but happily fund away teams. If you want this club to have any chance of existing we have to do this, keep the club alive until the take over can happen and we should be able to escape from this without a points deduction. If the take over does not happen we are shafted anyway! What really galls me is that two faced crunt Crouch asking us all to dig deep. When he was playing billy buffalo bollax and waving his imaginary £2M around shouting " here's mine, show me yours", which suddenly disappears into his pockets on the end of a piece of string. There is no need to be in this financial position and Crouch was up to his pikey neck in putting us here, but not donating will only make things worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 can't see how this will make a difference - if we get bought this hopefully won't be needed, if we don't then it won't make any difference. Yes there certainly seem to be conflicting stories coming out of SMS as to whether more money is actually needed to get us to the end of the season or not. I hope Leon and co aren't taking hard-earned cash from supporters that will end up going into the Administrators pot. I'd also like to hear that our under-performing players have done something to help the club for a change and taken a cut in pay before they fock off to greener pastures in a few weeks time. I still think it's likely that Barclays will be allowing the Administrator a facility for a few weeks in the knowledge that if we're sold they will get some of their money back, whereas if we crash now they get nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 After looking at all the scenario's I feel that's just as bad as the other idiots who were refusing to go to St Mary's, but happily fund away teams. If you want this club to have any chance of existing we have to do this, keep the club alive until the take over can happen and we should be able to escape from this without a points deduction. If the take over does not happen we are shafted anyway! What really galls me is that two faced crunt Crouch asking us all to dig deep. When he was playing billy buffalo bollax and waving his imaginary £2M around shouting " here's mine, show me yours", which suddenly disappears into his pockets on the end of a piece of string. There is no need to be in this financial position and Crouch was up to his pikey neck in putting us here, but not donating will only make things worse. maybe urge was too strong. I have paid for a season ticket through out and will continue doing so. If you think this charitable cause is better than others that is up to you but I will support the club but not donate to pay bwp to go on the p1ss -who is the idiot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 After looking at all the scenario's I feel that's just as bad as the other idiots who were refusing to go to St Mary's, but happily fund away teams. If you want this club to have any chance of existing we have to do this, keep the club alive until the take over can happen and we should be able to escape from this without a points deduction. If the take over does not happen we are shafted anyway! What really galls me is that two faced crunt Crouch asking us all to dig deep. When he was playing billy buffalo bollax and waving his imaginary £2M around shouting " here's mine, show me yours", which suddenly disappears into his pockets on the end of a piece of string. There is no need to be in this financial position and Crouch was up to his pikey neck in putting us here, but not donating will only make things worse. there is no reason why he should give £2m, but there was no reason to offer it in a macho gesture but decide against it now when really needed but ask us to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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