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After reading the potential new signings thread thought i'd start this one.

 

A bit premature i know, but assuming we do get a buyer with a bit of money to keep some of the better players & everything is well going into the summer who would you keep & sell for next season? Likewise who would you buy & then what would your starting XI be?

 

Keep:

Kelvin Davis, Tommy Forecast, Chris Perry, Wayne Thomas, Jan Paul Saeijs, Lloyd James, Olly Lancashire, Joseph Mills, Paul Wotton, Lee Holmes, Jason Euell, Morgan Schnerderlin, Simon Gillett, Jake Thompson, Oscar Gobern, Ryan Smith, Marek Saganowski, David McGoldrick, Matthew Paterson

 

Offload:

Bartosz Bialkowski, Killer (as a player), Lee Molyneux, Rudi Skacel, Romain Gasmi, Anthony Pulis, Andrew Surman Bradley Wright Philips, Adam Lallana, Grzegorz Rasiak, Stern John.

 

Starting XI:

 

Davis

James - Saeijs - Thomas - Mills

Thompson - Gillett - Schnerderlin - Holmes

Saganowski - McGoldrick

 

Pretty damn good team in league 1 IMO. If Saga were to go then i'd bring in Rickie Lambert from Bristol Rovers. If Saeijs doesn't want to stay then Perry can take his place & Euell or Wotton in place of Schnerderlin if he wants away. Obviously if Surman & Lallana wanted to stay then i'd keep them but being realistic i think they'll go.

 

Opinions?

 

PS - Paul Tisdale for manager.

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Good thread - although I think Davis, Thomas, Euell, Schnerderlin, Gillett, Thompson, Gobern, Saga and McGoldrick will all either want to leave or will be too expensive to keep (unless we get taken over by someone with very deep pockets).

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After reading the potential new signings thread thought i'd start this one.

 

A bit premature i know, but assuming we do get a buyer with a bit of money to keep some of the better players & everything is well going into the summer who would you keep & sell for next season? Likewise who would you buy & then what would your starting XI be?

 

Keep:

Kelvin Davis, Tommy Forecast, Chris Perry, Wayne Thomas, Jan Paul Saeijs, Lloyd James, Olly Lancashire, Joseph Mills, Paul Wotton, Lee Holmes, Jason Euell, Morgan Schnerderlin, Simon Gillett, Jake Thompson, Oscar Gobern, Ryan Smith, Marek Saganowski, David McGoldrick, Matthew Paterson

 

Offload:

Bartosz Bialkowski, Killer (as a player), Lee Molyneux, Rudi Skacel, Romain Gasmi, Anthony Pulis, Andrew Surman Bradley Wright Philips, Adam Lallana, Grzegorz Rasiak, Stern John.

 

Starting XI:

 

Davis

James - Saeijs - Thomas - Mills

Thompson - Gillett - Schnerderlin - Holmes

Saganowski - McGoldrick

 

Pretty damn good team in league 1 IMO. If Saga were to go then i'd bring in Rickie Lambert from Bristol Rovers. If Saeijs doesn't want to stay then Perry can take his place & Euell or Wotton in place of Schnerderlin if he wants away. Obviously if Surman & Lallana wanted to stay then i'd keep them but being realistic i think they'll go.

 

Opinions?

 

PS - Paul Tisdale for manager.

 

Keeper -Davis -no brainer if we can keep him

 

RB - James -think looked pretty decent as RB last 1/3 of season, we missed him when he was suspended.

 

CBs - 2 from Perry, Size and Thomas - although option for Size didn't kick in as relegated so would need to start again

 

LB - Think we could do with new LB

 

RM - Thompson, Gobbern, Smith

 

LM - Holmes, Mills

 

CM - Gillet, (my early tip for player of season!) Wooton - think we could do with a creative midfielder not sure if Schneiderlin will be here for div 1

 

CF - DMG -if stays will get 20+ next season and my other tip for player of the season

 

CF - would like a new strong, experience target man, a BT type for div 1

 

Of your keep list I wouldn't be sure about Saga - wages, commitment, dips in form etc

 

So need to sign, LB, central midfielder and CF.

 

ps have funny feeling Gasmi might turn out to be ok!

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Good thread - although I think Davis, Thomas, Euell, Schnerderlin, Gillett, Thompson, Gobern, Saga and McGoldrick will all either want to leave or will be too expensive to keep (unless we get taken over by someone with very deep pockets).

 

Gillet, Thompson, Gobern all signed contracts while we were poor

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manager: souness assistant: magilton

 

davis

 

james gerrard thomas lynch

 

gillett stock

 

lallana mcgoldrick surman/gobern

 

Rasiak

sign:

 

lynch- brighton/forest

 

gerrard- walsall

 

stock- doncaster (probably wouldnt get but who knows)

 

obviously in a perfect world. Also provided players ive put in stay and theres a few quid to spend.

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Keeper -Davis -no brainer if we can keep him

 

RB - James -think looked pretty decent as RB last 1/3 of season, we missed him when he was suspended.

 

CBs - 2 from Perry, Size and Thomas - although option for Size didn't kick in as relegated so would need to start again

 

LB - Think we could do with new LB

 

RM - Thompson, Gobbern, Smith

 

LM - Holmes, Mills

 

CM - Gillet, (my early tip for player of season!) Wooton - think we could do with a creative midfielder not sure if Schneiderlin will be here for div 1

 

CF - DMG -if stays will get 20+ next season and my other tip for player of the season

 

CF - would like a new strong, experience target man, a BT type for div 1

 

Of your keep list I wouldn't be sure about Saga - wages, commitment, dips in form etc

 

So need to sign, LB, central midfielder and CF.

 

ps have funny feeling Gasmi might turn out to be ok!

 

surely that team is not totally unrealistic as long as we are not skint and also with stability, confidence, half decent manager should do well??

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Starting XI:

 

Davis

James - Saeijs - Thomas - Mills

Thompson - Gillett - Schnerderlin - Holmes

Saganowski - McGoldrick

 

 

Opinions?

 

Thomson looked miles out of his depth whenever he played for Saints and did next to nothing at Bournemouth from what I hear. Holmes is ****. That midfield won't get us out of League 1, not a chance. Also Saga and McGoldrick offer neither pace nor strength up front. Patterson and BWP might offer both but then again will they score goals? Tough one.
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So we keep playing with a team full of kids. Where is the muscle?

 

Davis, JPS (31), Thomas (30), Gillett(23/24), Holmes (22) and Saga (31) aren't kids. That's more than half the team.

 

Of the others McGoldrick would be 22 most of the season, James 21, Thomson 20, Mills 20 and Schneiderlin 20.

 

That's no teenagers and a mix of older and younger players. They're not as young as you might think. On the other hand, they are all pretty crap.

 

I was thinking it would be fun to create an XI of players we haven't ever really replaced. as in the last really decent player we had in each position. How far would we actually have to go back for right midfield, for example? I can't start threads, any others fancy it?

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Good thread - although I think Davis, Thomas, Euell, Schnerderlin, Gillett, Thompson, Gobern, Saga and McGoldrick will all either want to leave or will be too expensive to keep (unless we get taken over by someone with very deep pockets).

 

Gillett, Thompson and Gobern too expensive to keep or will want to leave. Really? Two of them have not done anything yet, while Gillett is hardly going to have Championship clubs banging at the door, albeit he improved in the last third of the season before getting injured. I agree with the others but would think keeping these three would not prove difficult.

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After reading the potential new signings thread thought i'd start this one.

 

A bit premature i know, but assuming we do get a buyer with a bit of money to keep some of the better players & everything is well going into the summer who would you keep & sell for next season? Likewise who would you buy & then what would your starting XI be?

 

Keep:

Kelvin Davis, Tommy Forecast, Chris Perry, Wayne Thomas, Jan Paul Saeijs, Lloyd James, Olly Lancashire, Joseph Mills, Paul Wotton, Lee Holmes, Jason Euell, Morgan Schnerderlin, Simon Gillett, Jake Thompson, Oscar Gobern, Ryan Smith, Marek Saganowski, David McGoldrick, Matthew Paterson

 

Offload:

Bartosz Bialkowski, Killer (as a player), Lee Molyneux, Rudi Skacel, Romain Gasmi, Anthony Pulis, Andrew Surman Bradley Wright Philips, Adam Lallana, Grzegorz Rasiak, Stern John.

 

Starting XI:

 

Davis

James - Saeijs - Thomas - Mills

Thompson - Gillett - Schnerderlin - Holmes

Saganowski - McGoldrick

 

Pretty damn good team in league 1 IMO. If Saga were to go then i'd bring in Rickie Lambert from Bristol Rovers. If Saeijs doesn't want to stay then Perry can take his place & Euell or Wotton in place of Schnerderlin if he wants away. Obviously if Surman & Lallana wanted to stay then i'd keep them but being realistic i think they'll go.

 

Opinions?

 

PS - Paul Tisdale for manager.

 

My thoughts are not too far off of yours, but I don't think there is any way that a current full international would want to ply his trade in League 1. So Saga will surely go (plus he has already said this in the Polish press).

 

I am also not too sure about Euell. He would certainly have to take a big pay cut.

 

As for players coming in, as I have been saying for almost a year now we need a new RB and a new LB. I am not having a go at James here as he has definitely grown into the RB position, but I would still rather see him used in midfield (and as a back-up RB). Plus I would want to see us bring in a big, strong, CF. The problem I have over here is keeping track of those available and able to play in the lower leagues, so I have no idea as to who these new players would be. So my line-up would be something like:

 

-------------------------------Davis-------------------------

 

New RB----------Saeijs------------Thomas------New LB

 

James-----------Gillett-------------Euell-----------Holmes

 

-------------------New CF-----------DMG----------------

 

And we would still have the likes of Mills, Perry, Wotton, White, Paterson, McKlaggon, etc to come in.

 

Not too bad IMO.

 

P.S. I 100% agree with your choice of manager!!!

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Davis, JPS (31), Thomas (30), Gillett(23/24), Holmes (22) and Saga (31) aren't kids. That's more than half the team.

 

Of the others McGoldrick would be 22 most of the season, James 21, Thomson 20, Mills 20 and Schneiderlin 20.

 

That's no teenagers and a mix of older and younger players. They're not as young as you might think. On the other hand, they are all pretty crap.

 

I was thinking it would be fun to create an XI of players we haven't ever really replaced. as in the last really decent player we had in each position. How far would we actually have to go back for right midfield, for example? I can't start threads, any others fancy it?

 

Problem is because we have been so bad we tend to think of most of them as kids rather than just not good enough. Thomas was never very good and we haven't seen him this season.Spiderman plays as though he has outgrown his body and has no strength. If we could buy a steady right back or if Hatch could step up we could have a good right midfield player in James. Plus his season at rightback might help him cover any runs a rightback would make.

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So my line-up would be something like:

 

-------------------------------Davis-------------------------

 

New RB----------Saeijs------------Thomas------New LB

 

James-----------Gillett-------------Euell-----------Holmes

 

-------------------New CF-----------DMG----------------

 

And we would still have the likes of Mills, Perry, Wotton, White, Paterson, McKlaggon, etc to come in.

 

Lot's of ifs and buts but I would imagine Fish Mills would be our starting LB next season.

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I think people could be surprised about Saga. I spoke to him after the Burnley game & he said he'd very much like to say as long as Wotte wasn't incharge. He seemed very keen on returning back in January & had a great little run although did then drop off. Davis i think will certainly stay aslong as we offer him a new deal. McGoldrick is a must keep for league 1, he will bag 20-25+ in league 1.

 

As for comments about the midfield, i think it is strong enough for league 1. What we need is pace & players who can beat players & get to the by line, Thompson & Holmes can both offer this. Schnerderlin & Gillett in the middle would be ideal, one who can pass the ball around & the other to get in the faces of the opposition & break their play up.

 

Saeijs has said he would like to stay despite relegation although someone did say he'd only stay if Wotte stayed. Thomas if fully fit would be perfect in league 1 imo, then 2 youngsters on the wing in Mills who has impressed at S****horpe & Lloyd James who has probably been the most improved palyer this season.

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As much as I'd like to see us keep hold of the likes of Saga, Euell, Surman and Lallana, realistically I just can't see it happening. Below is what I think our squad will look like in a month or so without any new signings.

 

Goalkeepers - Poke, Forecast, Bialkowski

 

Defenders - Hatch, James, Perry, Lancashire, Thomas, Molyneux, Mills

 

Midfielders - Wotton, Pulis, Gillett, Gobern, Holmes, Thomson, Smith

 

Forwards - McLaggon, McGoldrick, Paterson, White

 

With the above in mind, it would mean that the following have left . . .

 

Davis, Saeijs, Svensson, Liptak, Skacel, Surman, Euell, Gasmi, Schneiderlin, Saganowski, BWP and Lallana

 

The players I have highlighted in bold are the ones that I would like us to keep, but just can't see it happening. Alot depends on who the new owners are too. If they've got a bit of money, maybe we'll be able to keep the likes of Saga and Euell, but if not, then they'll need to have some funds to invest in the first-team, otherwise we may face an uphill struggle just to maintain our status as a League One team.

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Team for next year, my one luxury being keeping Davis...

 

Davis

Hatch Perry Saejs Mills

Thomson Gillet James Holmes

McGoldrick

Paterson

 

I'm not certain if McGoldrick will want to stay, i'm assuming that Skacel, Lallana, Surman, Scneiderlin, Saga and BWP will all deem themselves too good for league one (even if a new owner could afford to keep them...)

 

Gillet and James to provide energy and snap in the tackle in the middle, with plenty of width provided by holmes and thomson. Paterson to lead the line with height and strength, Mcgoldrick in a supporting role just behind running at the opposition on occasion. Mills and hatch should have enough energy to get forward and support holmes and thomson.

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As much as I'd like to see us keep hold of the likes of Saga, Euell, Surman and Lallana, realistically I just can't see it happening. Below is what I think our squad will look like in a month or so without any new signings.

 

Goalkeepers - Poke, Forecast, Bialkowski

 

Defenders - Hatch, James, Perry, Lancashire, Thomas, Molyneux, Mills

 

Midfielders - Wotton, Pulis, Gillett, Gobern, Holmes, Thomson, Smith

 

Forwards - McLaggon, McGoldrick, Paterson, White

 

With the above in mind, it would mean that the following have left . . .

 

Davis, Saeijs, Svensson, Liptak, Skacel, Surman, Euell, Gasmi, Schneiderlin, Saganowski, BWP and Lallana

 

The players I have highlighted in bold are the ones that I would like us to keep, but just can't see it happening. Alot depends on who the new owners are too. If they've got a bit of money, maybe we'll be able to keep the likes of Saga and Euell, but if not, then they'll need to have some funds to invest in the first-team, otherwise we may face an uphill struggle just to maintain our status as a League One team.

 

Spot on I think, much more realistic view of who is likely to stay.

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As much as I'd like to see us keep hold of the likes of Saga, Euell, Surman and Lallana, realistically I just can't see it happening. Below is what I think our squad will look like in a month or so without any new signings.

 

Goalkeepers - Poke, Forecast, Bialkowski

 

Defenders - Hatch, James, Perry, Lancashire, Thomas, Molyneux, Mills

 

Midfielders - Wotton, Pulis, Gillett, Gobern, Holmes, Thomson, Smith

 

Forwards - McLaggon, McGoldrick, Paterson, White

 

With the above in mind, it would mean that the following have left . . .

 

Davis, Saeijs, Svensson, Liptak, Skacel, Surman, Euell, Gasmi, Schneiderlin, Saganowski, BWP and Lallana

 

The players I have highlighted in bold are the ones that I would like us to keep, but just can't see it happening. Alot depends on who the new owners are too. If they've got a bit of money, maybe we'll be able to keep the likes of Saga and Euell, but if not, then they'll need to have some funds to invest in the first-team, otherwise we may face an uphill struggle just to maintain our status as a League One team.

 

I'd agree with that, assuming we might keep one or two of the bold players, and sign one or two, should be a capable team for the division, but then again I thought that this season as well. McGoldrick might be a tough one to keep as well. But also think that Paterson will be in the goals next season if he stays and plays. Feel that skcel's never lived up to his hype and has been largely terrible lately and that either mils or molyneux could become a very good left back for us.

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I'd agree with that, assuming we might keep one or two of the bold players, and sign one or two, should be a capable team for the division, but then again I thought that this season as well. McGoldrick might be a tough one to keep as well. But also think that Paterson will be in the goals next season if he stays and plays. Feel that skcel's never lived up to his hype and has been largely terrible lately and that either mils or molyneux could become a very good left back for us.

 

bearing in mind that we've already come acropper with appearance fees for paterson this season, we might not be able to afford to make him a first teamer. all the ongoing costs of our bought in youth have to be factored in.

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Davis

James, Perry, Saeijs, NEW SIGNING

Thomson (?), Gillett, Wotton, NEW SIGNING

McGoldrick, NEW SIGNING

 

The likes of Mills, Paterson and McLaggon are also likely to play a role.

 

As for Holmes, very good player, who would fit well on the right, BUT all through his young career he has been plagued with injury. He will not be fit all season, not a chance. We need someone new there for me.

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Davis

James, Perry, Saeijs, NEW SIGNING

Thomson (?), Gillett, Wotton, NEW SIGNING

McGoldrick, NEW SIGNING

 

The likes of Mills, Paterson and McLaggon are also likely to play a role.

 

As for Holmes, very good player, who would fit well on the right, BUT all through his young career he has been plagued with injury. He will not be fit all season, not a chance. We need someone new there for me.

 

1st choice Holmes, with cover of Mills, Smith, Gobbern, Thomson, Mclaggon?

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Keep:

Kelvin Davis, Tommy Forecast, Chris Perry, Wayne Thomas, Jan Paul Saeijs, Lloyd James, Olly Lancashire, Lee Molyneux, Joseph Mills, Paul Wotton, Lee Holmes, Jason Euell, Morgan Schnerderlin, Simon Gillett, Jake Thompson, Oscar Gobern, Ryan Smith, Marek Saganowski, David McGoldrick, Matthew Paterson

 

Starting XI:

 

Davis (Forecast)

James (Hatch) - Saeijs (Lancashire) - Thomas (Perry) - Mills (Molyneux)

Smith (Thomson) - Gillett (Wotton) - Schnerderlin (Euell) - Holmes (Gobern)

Saganowski (Paterson) - McGoldrick (White/McLaggon)

 

Changed things a little to include back up players, 2 players per position.

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As much as I'd like to see us keep hold of the likes of Saga, Euell, Surman and Lallana, realistically I just can't see it happening. Below is what I think our squad will look like in a month or so without any new signings.

 

Goalkeepers - Poke, Forecast, Bialkowski

 

Defenders - Hatch, James, Perry, Lancashire, Thomas, Molyneux, Mills

 

Midfielders - Wotton, Pulis, Gillett, Gobern, Holmes, Thomson, Smith

 

Forwards - McLaggon, McGoldrick, Paterson, White

 

With the above in mind, it would mean that the following have left . . .

 

Davis, Saeijs, Svensson, Liptak, Skacel, Surman, Euell, Gasmi, Schneiderlin, Saganowski, BWP and Lallana

 

The players I have highlighted in bold are the ones that I would like us to keep, but just can't see it happening. Alot depends on who the new owners are too. If they've got a bit of money, maybe we'll be able to keep the likes of Saga and Euell, but if not, then they'll need to have some funds to invest in the first-team, otherwise we may face an uphill struggle just to maintain our status as a League One team.

 

Good post. Nice to see a bit of realism over who we may keep and lose. I really hope we can keep DMG, but clubs may come calling. I'd worry that Forecast may not be up to becoming the number 1, but I can't see us spending any money on bringing in an established keeper.

 

I feel Paterson could do well next year, he's shown flashes of quality in his few limited appearances this season. That's a very, very lightweight forward line though, I would hope we could bring someone in with a bit of muscle up front. Possibly a big centre back as well.

 

To be honest, I hope that we could get a decent loan in from somewhere as well. There must be some prem clubs willing to loan out some youngsters. For example, I think Leicester has Liverpool's reserve team captain for the season, centre back?

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I'm sure DMG will get a couple of CCC offers. For all the whinging on here, he scored more than most in the league in a ****e team.

We'll surely lose DMG, Surman, Lallana, Saga, Schneiderlin, Rasiak, John.

 

I think Kelvin and JPS might stay but it obviously depends on new manager and new owners. If they do stay, though, we;ve got the makings of a decent defence for the Third Division.

 

Of course if it all goes tits up and we start life in the Conference next season then all bets are off.

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This more realistic to what we will see

 

Tommy Forecast

Lloyd James, Chris Perry, Wayne Thomas, Lee Molyneux

 

Oscar Gobern, Paul Wotton, Simon Gillett, Ryan Smith

 

Matt Patterson, Jamie White

 

There will be no new signings without investment all proceeds from sales paying off all the old debts

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This more realistic to what we will see

 

Tommy Forecast

Lloyd James, Chris Perry, Wayne Thomas, Lee Molyneux

 

Oscar Gobern, Paul Wotton, Simon Gillett, Ryan Smith

 

Matt Patterson, Jamie White

 

There will be no new signings without investment all proceeds from sales paying off all the old debts

 

On my pessimistic days I'm with Sir Topham Hatt. This could be the team... and it could struggle.

But still live in hope that new owners will bring a little more to the table...

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Don't forget Poke will be peobably coming back to us - as we extended his contract for another year for this very reason!

 

There is probably no way we could afford the wages of players like Kelvin, BWP, Saga, Skacel, Rasiak, Euell and BWP in League 1 - so those not out of contract will be gone on loan or frees!

 

I wouldn't be surprised if that applies to Wayne Thomas as well! So expect him to go on loan to a CCC club!

 

Personally I'd like to see the back of Wotte, Saejis and Ryan Smith - so I hope they move on as well!

 

We need a new management team, a fresh start and a different approach!

 

We should be looking at bringing in players like Phil Ifil for right back to complete with Hatch - leaving James to play in midfield - and Mark Yeates to play upfront with a bit of pace, power and presence! Both are at Colchester - in their early 20s and capable of playing at a higher level.

 

They are the type of players we are missing - players between the age of 24-28 - at or near their peak - and with the potential to play at a higher level.

 

We should get rid of nearly all the old carthorses if we can!

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As a slight aside, you can almost put out an 11 of pointless signings this season:

 

GK: Forecast

RB:

CB:

CB: Lipstick

LB: Molyneux

RM: Smith

CM: Schneiderlin

CM: Pulis

LM: Gasmi

ST: Roberston

ST: Pekhart

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---------- Kelvin Davis-------------

 

Man-------Perry----Man-------Man

 

Man-----Man----Gillett--------Man

 

----------Man------Man-----------

 

Bench: DMG, Man, Man, Man, Man

 

If we want to mount a realistic promotion attempt. If we keep it as it is... we go down.

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I think the following

Goalkeepers - Davis, Bialkowski, Poke will all go, leaving Forecast & presumably a new signing

 

Defenders - Hatch, James, Perry, Lancashire, Molyneux, Mills will stay. I hope Saeijs stays & Thomas goes. (Everyone on here has convinced themselves because he didn't play this season that he is great, but remember the sacred Pearson rated him so lowly that he preferred Darren 'the Glassman' Powell to him at the end of last season). Skacel (presumably) will finally go, too.

 

Midfielders - Wotton, Pulis, Gillett, Gobern, Holmes & Thomson will all stay. Smith is out of contract so who knows? And Gasmi (I thought) was only a lone to keep Morggan company. Surman is certain to go, sadly. Schneiderlin & Lallana, not certain - neither have impressed of late, but both have the talent to make it, though may not get too many serious offers

 

Forwards - McLaggon, McGoldrick, Paterson, White to stay. John, I guess, has gone & Rasiak won't be far behind him. As for Euell, BWP & Saga - they will hopefully all go (4 goals in the last 12 games between them says it all). Personally I am amazed anyone on here would ever want to see them pulling on a Saints shirt again.

 

What we need is an experienced keeper if Davis goes, another solid CB if Saeijs goes & a Steve Howard type centre forward, then we can mould our youngsters around that solid spine & I think we will do okay

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If we can afford it the first bloke we should be getting is Cox from Swindon.

 

27 goals in a team fighting relegation is an exceptional return.

Quite why he would leave Swindon to join us who will start the season 10 points behind Swindon is beyond me. You do know that he is being touted around for teams in the Prem. Reality checks are needed by some, we will be in Division 3 next season.

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No ones mentioned Jeffrey Imudia? Could see him pushing on or at least being on the fringes of first team next year depending on which defenders we have.

 

Not sure if anyone's mentioned Lancashire either, who'll be decent in Lge 1 (hopefully).

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