Arizona Posted 3 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2009 At the time, and if it was on Arsene Wenger's recommendation (who when it comes to spotting potential is the best around) I would probably have gone with the French teenager. Shame it hasn't worked out for him but he's still young and will probably go on to fulfill his undoubted potential elsewhere. You'd have taken a French teenager over cold hard cash? :-s It's not like Wenger picks players from obscurity and they're the first name on the team sheet straight away. Many of the players he picks need years to get into the side, even class acts like Theo. Many of them never make it. What about Francis Jeffers, Aliadiere and all the Arsenal youth players born in England? We have been desperately short of 2 things this season. Cash and experience. Signing Schneiderlin was never going to solve either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 3 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2009 4 yr contract that could rise to 1.5 m euros. still only 19 with handful of first team games. won;t write him off yet. I'm not writing him off. Just pointing out that it was an appaling decision to sign him. We couldn't afford him and he was highly unlikely to deliver in his first season in the CCC. Admittedly no one knew he would be this bad, but it was still a poor decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 do you know how much we paid? its not the £1.2m figure you quote, guess the total amount would be reached on things like promotion or interniational games etc. Often quoted as rising to when just on appearances - this was only could rise to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 looks like any spending of money was a wrong decision -as we have shown we haven't got any! Don't think there is any need to single him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzybear Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 I have always rated the £1 million signing of Alan McLoughlin as Saints worst transfer deal. Our record signing at the time, bought from Swindon who had got the guy on a free transfer themselves (and duly laughed all the way to the bank), played 27 games before we off-loaded him to pompey for a conciderable loss. An utter plum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Schneiderlin - aged 19. Say no more! The problem with Schneiderlin - IMHO - is that he was built up to be this brilliant superstar who was going to transform the team much like Rudi was. He was only ever going to disappoint us in that respect. He's a 19-year old lad and has had to try and learn a new culture/language/way of playing football. Also he has been injured for large chunks of the year. He hasn't covered himself in glory by any means but I still believe he would do well elsewhere. Just like Lallana and Surman, they are good players but they have struggled to find any sort of form this year. The crunch for all of them will be how they deal with this season's events over the summer. Either they use it to make themselves stronger players, or they just disappear into obscurity. Let's hope they do improve for our sakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 think it was Arsene W who said he doesn't expect any foreign signings to perform nearly at their best for 12 months due to impact of moving to new country etc. And muct be harder at 19. Maybe we shouldn't have spent out whatever the fee was up front but doubt it was the difference between financial survival and admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 I cannot see the ability to vote for neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 3 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2009 do you know how much we paid? its not the £1.2m figure you quote, guess the total amount would be reached on things like promotion or interniational games etc. Often quoted as rising to when just on appearances - this was only could rise to. As I said, £1.2m however it is made up. Even less than half of that is up front, when we're talking about £500k to stop SFC being wiped off the face of the Earth, it was the wrong decision. We're splitting hairs here anyway. I don't care if 99p was paid up front and we owe the rest when he reaches 100 caps for France and gets a World Cup Golden Boot. Spening money on kids, when we had a squad full of better adapted kids (i.e. ones who grew up watching and playing English football and have spent the last 3 years sat at the back of block 6 for every home game) was wrong. I cannot see the ability to vote for neither If I'd put that in the poll, it would be a bit of a fore-gone conclusion. ;-) Wanted you lot to rack your brains a bit first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 fair enough, disagree tho. If we have paid £100,000 up front for someone who ends up playing 100 for France -think that was deal worth doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 (edited) Schniderlien.... Stupid money wasting buy....we had very little money apparently and wasted it on this lightweight frenc bambi... Thing is we we get anywhere near the 1.2mill?....not a chance.. Edited 17 May, 2009 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 we haven't paid £1.2m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 fair enough, disagree tho. If we have paid £100,000 up front for someone who ends up playing 100 for France -think that was deal worth doing! But then again to pay £600,000 down on A 1.2 MILLION pound DEAL...in our financial position WAS stupidity even if he plays 200 times for France....We were not in a position to buy him and take Gasmi and the other many strange aquisitions ...VERY STRANGE business by Rupes and Kim the whale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 I still think he will be a quality player, he can pass the ball as well as anyone in the league and he will get stronger and get used to the pace through playing games. worth keeping IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 But then again to pay £600,000 down on A 1.2 MILLION pound DEAL...in our financial position WAS stupidity even if he plays 200 times for France....We were not in a position to buy him and take Gasmi and the other many strange aquisitions ...VERY STRANGE business by Rupes and Kim the whale. did we pay £600,000? our current situations shows payments out were too high - but you could go over many transactions the same way. Yes he hasn't shown what potential we hoped he had, but I don't think anyone here has a clue how much was paid or his comparative wages? Therefore harsh to single him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Perhaps spending £1.2m on Pearson's wages would have been a better investment, but of course that wasn't part of the revolutionary masterplan was it... Still, Lowe's 'genius' is there for all to see now - relegation, and administration. Job done. Not quite. We still can become extinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 did we pay £600,000? our current situations shows payments out were too high - but you could go over many transactions the same way. Yes he hasn't shown what potential we hoped he had, but I don't think anyone here has a clue how much was paid or his comparative wages? Therefore harsh to single him out Not picking on Spiderman..But he should never have been brought to the club at the payments we have paid so far....I believe you will find we still owe a big chunk which we are unable to pay...Not sure what will happen as you know we still owe for Mighty Dave Mac and young Hatch fee to Exeter and one other lumps for players Patterson and Lallana to Bournemouth?...It is hoped for the new investors will pay these off....As for Spiderman we may have to give him back or get Uncle Arsene to pay off his old club for his nephew. I think many posters who have seen him play many more times than me will confirm that Spiderman has a certain amount of skill in certain areas but not for us in the CCC and in my opinion even IF we could pay off our debt he would NOT cope Div 1...trust me on that...Like Exeter and a few other teams who have sussed him ..you just stand on his toes and say boo early on and he disappears. I am sure all the accounts will show how much we have wasted this season.. Unless the books get lost:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 3 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2009 we haven't paid £1.2m! Nobody is saying we paid that up front, but is our administration not sue to the fact that we bunked on some of the 'small instalments' for players like DMG, Lallana, Hatch etc, combined with the fact that we have no cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Stuart Ripley... 4 years deal for a man who couldn't walk, let alone run. Given the context of the finances though and the line being fed us at the time, Schneiderlin is right up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 People are talking about his 'potential', but in our position we needed people who were proven at this level. We also needed a couple of big fat defenders to push people around like alot of championship clubs seem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 he'll come good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 (edited) People are talking about his 'potential', but in our position we needed people who were proven at this level. We also needed a couple of big fat defenders to push people around like alot of championship clubs seem to have. Exactly. I don't think people are actually crucifying Schneiderlin, merely pointing out that in our precarious position it probably wasn't wise to splash the cash on a young prospect, when (a) we were skint and (b) we needed someone who could come into the team and make an immediate impact. Edited 3 May, 2009 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoakley Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 I think he will be good next season for us or for someone else like people say hes only 19 maybe 20 now and he is very good at passing the ball and getting some tackles in but he needs to do it a bit more for him to become a good midfielder in his role hes not a attacking midfielder but a creative holding one which involes the good passing but also tackling and ball wining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Added a rather hypothetical pole to make things sporting. I went for Wotton. He's an old clogger and it's uncannily like watching Jermaine Wright, but at least he can influence a game. Basically I've gone for crap over not giving a sh*t. I take it by "influence a game" you mean that he shouts a bit, unless you mean the uncanny ability he has to make us look even worse when he's in the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Spiderman is NOT the biggest waste of 1m-1.5 m that has to go to 2003 signing of Scottish International left winger Neil McCannt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I take it by "influence a game" you mean that he shouts a bit, unless you mean the uncanny ability he has to make us look even worse when he's in the team? If one size leaves you will need Wotton at the back and at least as cover... He has a contract anyway and therefore he will be around....I think in Div 1 he will be more than useful to have around..fitness permitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Whether the money was all paid up front or not is irrelevant, it's still a commitment to £1.2m. If only £600k was paid as a deposit then the rest is part of the debt that the club is due to pay. Either way it was crazy expenditure for a club in our position. Remind me again, how many goals has he scored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 its not irrelevant at all - think about it when we would have to pay it and how he would be doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 It never fails to amaze me how some players get criticised for continually passing the ball to their own team mates. I can remember Oakley and Magilton getting the same treatment, and also Folly when Sturrock played him at DM for a while. Mind you I used to moan about Bally's short square passing all those years ago. I am not saying that Morgan is in the same league as any of the above, but he is by far the best passer of the ball that Saints have at the moment. If someone can toughen him up a bit, Scheiderlin and Gillet could be a force to be reckoned with. If not here then maybe at another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Considering the fragile position we were in on and off the pitch then Shcneiderlin's signing would appear to have been very poor value for money. In this instance it was the context of the signing that caused a stir. Throw in the fact that our Head Coach didn't appear to have signed him and never saw him play, then you do start scratching your head about just what was going on. But we have also had many duffers in the past. Speedie and Dixon in return for Shearer still makes me cringe. We then had a rash of players who IMHO never delivered e.g Ripley £2.5m!!, Howells (big wages) , Hughes (wages), Groves, Hirst £2m. Have we had more than our fair share?? Have we always seemed to buy many at mid range prices that then don't deliver?? Or are we exactly the same as many other clubs out there?? We seem to have specialised in buying ones that are injured and spend the next two seasons after their arrival trying to get them fit, and then usually fail. Just occasionally we are really lucky enough to unload them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Gawd, where do you start? McCann, Hurlock, McLaughlin (sp?), Charley George (lost it by the time he came here), Frank Saul (can we have Martin Chivers back please), too many to mention over the years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockhill Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 anthony pulis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I take it by "influence a game" you mean that he shouts a bit, unless you mean the uncanny ability he has to make us look even worse when he's in the team? Don't get me wrong, I really don't rate Wotton, but I'd have him in the side ahead of Schneiderlin, simply because he gets stuck in. Yes Morgan can pass better, but going by the assists, he has never made an important pass. He receives the ball, plays the obvious pass and we're no nearer to scoring than we were before. Games just seem to pass him by, like he's not even there. You have to watch carefully to notice he's on the pitch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 McLoughlin was indeed pure ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Don't get me wrong, I really don't rate Wotton, but I'd have him in the side ahead of Schneiderlin, simply because he gets stuck in. Yes Morgan can pass better, but going by the assists, he has never made an important pass. He receives the ball, plays the obvious pass and we're no nearer to scoring than we were before. Games just seem to pass him by, like he's not even there. You have to watch carefully to notice he's on the pitch at all. To be honest Morgan just isn't used to playing with static crap like our front line. The fact that he came to us instead of going to skate with whom a deal was done by Strasbourg means that there is far more to his "transfer" than meeets the eye. His agent said so, Strasbourg said so. That none of you believe it is just down to you. We have an absolutely gash record with young players who don't fit the standard template of "English Football". Some of them English as well but successive managers have had no time for them preferring names and hard assed hackers instead. We would have a bloody good side if we got back all the lads who weren't good enough for our recent bevvy of managers and let the other clubs have the highly paid garbage instead. We have brought players to the club and just let them fade away because they didn't fit in with our "style" good players who've done alright for themselves elsewhere, Morgan will be no different. The word on the street around the Meinau said he hated Southampton and couldn't wait to leave because we just didn't play football but crude hacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I really think everyone is being a little hard on MS , he is a very young & inexperienced kid who was thrust into a very poor team and expected to be a Gerrard , Lampard ,Barry etc capable of winning games on his own. He is still IMO a great prospect but he needs to be playing in a team were experienced players take the limelight & pressure off him. I for one hope he sticks with us and with the right management and a winning team I am sure we will see his true worth. As for Wotton , He is not the greatest to ever pull on a Saints shirt but he could be a ace in Division one next season, Type of experienced & committed player that is needed in the fight to regain our championship place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 this is stupid. One he is very young, and therefore not always consistent. Two he has had a few injuries to contend with. Three it was his first season in a very young team, and a very new league and enivronment from what he is used to. He can pass well and despite what some say he can tackle. I think people will end up eating their words providing he stays. Him and Gillet could be very handy in the middle next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 this is stupid. providing he stays. . :(:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 So we're choosing to write off a kid who looked fantastic at the start of the season and ended up looking knackered and uninterested after a couple of injuries and playing too much at such a young age. I really don't believe the ******** sprouted on this forum by so called football experts. Havn't we seen talented youngsters played out of form by too many games at a young age? Where is the encouragement to play well when there is doom and gloom from the rest of the club and the fans. I know this post will get ridiculed by 'experts' saying 'if i was being paid £******* a week i'd put the bloody effort in' we'll that's not how it works with nippers, is it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I'm not saying he can't be good in the future, just that he is absolutely the worst signing we could have made this season. Just when we'd stripped the squad of almost all experienced players and were short on cash, we spend money (I don't care how much is up front, in instalments, caps for France etc) on a teenager with no experience of the English game. I don't care how good he MIGHT be in the future. We needed good players capable of doing a job NOW to stay in the League. It seems some on here are content with being relegated to L1, providing as long as we have the next Fabregas, Robben and Torres and World Class Ryan Smith in our squad. I am not trying to compare MS to Dryden, Draper, Delgado et. al. in terms of ability. However he was absolutely the last signing we needed right now and has been terrible this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 That he is trailing in the poll to Wotton, who lacks Schneiderlin's silky skills, is an indictment of his season and his impact at Saints. Looks like too much was expected of him. Tragically, his was a key position in midfield, and wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 That he is trailing in the poll to Wotton, who lacks Schneiderlin's silky skills, is an indictment of his season and his impact at Saints. Looks like too much was expected of him. and whose fault was that, he was built up by the SMS PR machine and never really had a chance to develop away from the spotlight Rupert and JP just did not understand the CCC and what was required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Signing MS was another example of Lowe's pig headedness and "I know best" attitude. He may turn into a good players, however he isn't at the moment. Personally, I believe Lowe brought him, to sell at a profit. Showing us all what a great visionary he was. The problem was, he's now proberly worth less than we paid and we spent money we didn't have. To get rid of Pearson, Woggy and loan out 3 goalscorers because of money issues, and then sign an untested teenage French kid, for x amount, shows how messed up Lowe's priorities were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Signing MS was another example of Lowe's pig headedness and "I know best" attitude. He may turn into a good players, however he isn't at the moment. Personally, I believe Lowe brought him, to sell at a profit. Showing us all what a great visionary he was. The problem was, he's now proberly worth less than we paid and we spent money we didn't have. To get rid of Pearson, Woggy and loan out 3 goalscorers because of money issues, and then sign an untested teenage French kid, for x amount, shows how messed up Lowe's priorities were. The other problem with his youth policy is that ALL of our nippas are now probably worth much less as a result of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stax Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Perhaps spending £1.2m on Pearson's wages would have been a better investment, but of course that wasn't part of the revolutionary masterplan was it... Still, Lowe's 'genius' is there for all to see now - relegation, and administration. Job done. Agreed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Arsenal paid for most of his fee so don't worry about it. (Would prefer Wotton in League One) No they didn't. That rumour is a load of old ********. Football clubs don't get other football clubs to buy players for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I voted Schneiderlin because he is young and could improve, but only at the start of the season did he show a bit of potential, then he seemed to trail off and, well, be rubbish. I reckon Wotton could do a job for us in League One, but I haven't been overly impressed by him this season, except towards the end of the Burnley game where he did give it his all. Still, it could be worse, Schneiderlin isn't exactly Ali Dia is he, thank God we didn't spend £1.2m on Ali Dia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 He will be quality in a few years. So will Ali Dia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Whether the money was all paid up front or not is irrelevant, it's still a commitment to £1.2m. If only £600k was paid as a deposit then the rest is part of the debt that the club is due to pay. Either way it was crazy expenditure for a club in our position. Remind me again, how many goals has he scored? Why does his goal output matter ? He's a defensive central midfielder. Besides, it's not like any of our central midfielders contributed. Gillett, Schneiderlin and Wotton got 0 goals between them. We haven't had a proper goal-scoring central midfielder since the days of Magilton and Ekelund. Our failure this season was the lack of goals from attacking players such as Smith, Dyer, Euell, Pekhart, Robertson, Lallana and Saganowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Why does his goal output matter ? He's a defensive central midfielder. Besides, it's not like any of our central midfielders contributed. Gillett, Schneiderlin and Wotton got 0 goals between them. We haven't had a proper goal-scoring central midfielder since the days of Magilton and Ekelund. Our failure this season was the lack of goals from attacking players such as Smith, Dyer, Euell, Pekhart, Robertson, Lallana and Saganowski. Schneiderlin is a creative midfielder, whether he was played as one is a completely different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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