StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 I was using this post to reply to another thread, but went off on a tangent so might as well make it a thread of it's own. The players... Nobody is moaning about players getting paid lots. Lucky them, I work in sales, if I am good, I get lots of money, if I am bad, I get paid f*ck all, if only the same was said of our football players, the wage bill would have been zero for the last couple of years. However, not one of the has lead by example and put a penny in, to be honest, I am pretty p*ssed off that Kelvin Davies and Jason Euell tried to lie and say they had deffered wages..... why did they do that? I feel sorry for all the effort the Saints Trust went to just to pay for Wayne Thomas' wages for a week, I feel embarrassed for Goodies Fish and Chip shop who worked their arses off for free to pay for Bradley Wright-Phillips weekly wage. F*ck the players, the sh!te they have served up all season, for NOT A SINGLE ONE of them to stand up and say " Hey, I am willing to give a weeks wage, even a days wage to the cause " F*ck them, f*ck the lot of them, I hope we start with a completely new team next season, they can all f*ck off as far as I am concerned, and that includes Kelvin Davies. I don't give a f*ck how much they earn, just a days wage would have been enough, just to lead the way, but they don't care, they will get paid that for some other team. Surman..... supposedly a Saints fan, not put a penny into the pot, yet other Saints fans are having the guilt trip put on them..... just goes to show, people can kiss the badge all they want, they can say how much they love the club, the fact is that Matthew Le Tissier is the last Saints player to ever 'not' put his money where his mouth is and stay here for the love. I don't blame players for moving on, it's a job, I wouldn't lose a weeks wage for the company I work for if they went into administration, I would find a new job.... the same as most footballers would do. What I would not do is lie to the public and try to suggest I did, nor would I claim how much I love Southampton FC blah blah f*cking blah. B*llocks to them, b*llocks to them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Sad but true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 you summed up my feelings too.To think fans were putting money in buckets to pay these ******s, turns my stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Its times like these you realise who true Saints people are, Le Tissier, McMenemy, Crouch and Channon are the only four i can list as TRUE Saints fans at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthedell Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 absolute top post the best i seen on here in ages !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 To be honest with you Stu I have thought that way about footballers (of any club) for quite some time. I like watching the games but worshipping the players, having their names on the back of a 'club' shirt and other such hero worship to the one section of society who certainly do not deserve it is not my bag of chips and nor will it ever be. Truth be told they really couldn't give a toss about you, me or the club unless it's two o'clock in the morning and you are a nubile twenty year old filly then they might just be interested....for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 For once stu I completely agree. When anyone agrees with me why do they always start the post with 'for once' ? :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Nobody is moaning about players getting paid lots The money players are being paid has been the focus of mosts attention and the reason for most not giving a **** at the minute, your post is a bit conflicting as your saying you would act in the same way by not working for **** all, performance related pay will never transcend into professional football, goal bonus is one thing, appearances are another but knowing every day how lucky you are to have a god given talent and will never experience the hardship those who supported you will always be lost on these people(footballers, singers etc..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 (edited) Spot on Stu, to be fair... It's amazing how players who have led us to relegation and some of the worst performances in decades have not at least felt a little bit guilty about picking up their wages whilst knowing the club was on the brink of extinction AND its fans scraped every last penny together... worst thing of all? Not even a ****ing thank you from some of the overpaid xxxx's... Edited 15 May, 2009 by Crab Lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 The fact that, even on here, fans were effectively having the thumbscrews put on for not wanting to contribute to the collections was for me the most distasteful thing of this whole shameful episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 unless it's two o'clock in the morning and you are a nubile twenty year old filly then they might just be interested. You leave Channon out of this !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 True, they are a bunch of tossers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 When I look at the page on the website of those who have donated £1k or more it would be good to see a few of the players names plus people like LMc and Mike Osman, of course these people may have donated to the cause and could have asked for their names not to be added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 You leave Channon out of this !!! He was trying to chat up my mum once in Braishfield Club, along with a couple of other Saints players. He must have been about twenty and she was about forty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 They could move sideways and become MPs, theyve had their snouts in the f**king trough long enough. Agrees/w Stu Romsey wholeheartedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 I was using this post to reply to another thread, but went off on a tangent so might as well make it a thread of it's own. The players... Nobody is moaning about players getting paid lots. Lucky them, I work in sales, if I am good, I get lots of money, if I am bad, I get paid f*ck all, if only the same was said of our football players, the wage bill would have been zero for the last couple of years. However, not one of the has lead by example and put a penny in, to be honest, I am pretty p*ssed off that Kelvin Davies and Jason Euell tried to lie and say they had deffered wages..... why did they do that? I feel sorry for all the effort the Saints Trust went to just to pay for Wayne Thomas' wages for a week, I feel embarrassed for Goodies Fish and Chip shop who worked their arses off for free to pay for Bradley Wright-Phillips weekly wage. F*ck the players, the sh!te they have served up all season, for NOT A SINGLE ONE of them to stand up and say " Hey, I am willing to give a weeks wage, even a days wage to the cause " F*ck them, f*ck the lot of them, I hope we start with a completely new team next season, they can all f*ck off as far as I am concerned, and that includes Kelvin Davies. I don't give a f*ck how much they earn, just a days wage would have been enough, just to lead the way, but they don't care, they will get paid that for some other team. Surman..... supposedly a Saints fan, not put a penny into the pot, yet other Saints fans are having the guilt trip put on them..... just goes to show, people can kiss the badge all they want, they can say how much they love the club, the fact is that Matthew Le Tissier is the last Saints player to ever 'not' put his money where his mouth is and stay here for the love. I don't blame players for moving on, it's a job, I wouldn't lose a weeks wage for the company I work for if they went into administration, I would find a new job.... the same as most footballers would do. What I would not do is lie to the public and try to suggest I did, nor would I claim how much I love Southampton FC blah blah f*cking blah. B*llocks to them, b*llocks to them all. Sums it up for me really - however, I was thinking today if we are so close to going to the wall and that means in effect no club - would I forego a weeks wage to keep the wolf from the door? I know what I would do - it appears the players (Saints through or through or not) do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 The money players are being paid has been the focus of mosts attention and the reason for most not giving a **** at the minute, your post is a bit conflicting as your saying you would act in the same way by not working for **** all, performance related pay will never transcend into professional football, goal bonus is one thing, appearances are another but knowing every day how lucky you are to have a god given talent and will never experience the hardship those who supported you will always be lost on these people(footballers, singers etc..) It's not conflicting... the Academy players genuinely owe Southampton something, many of them have benefited from being at one of the best Academys in the country, and it is fair to say, many of them would not have been proffesional footballers if it was not for this education. What's one days wage? Seriously? No matter how much you earn? My beef is not with them though, my beef is not with the players who openly are in it for the money ala Skacel. My beef is with the self-proclaimed 'Saints Fans' like Surman, the players like Lallana who 'love' the club, the c*nts who kiss the badge at every opportunity, Davies and Euell trying to make out they have deffered their wages etc etc..... Yes I wouldn't take a pay-cut to save the company I work for, but I wouldn't be making up stories about how I did, nor would I be claiming to love the club and blah blah f*cking blah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 He was trying to chat up my mum once in Braishfield Club, along with a couple of other Saints players. He must have been about twenty and she was about forty! Are you saying he always had an eye for a old nag ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Steady - she was fine looking women for years but I suppose I'd say that as it was my mum! She's still around but 80 now. Last time I saw Channon was in the Malthouse on Sunday dinnertime and he told my I was "...a waste of time on behalf of my mother" but I can't remember why - I don't think I even spoke to him so some of the yoof in there must have peed him off. It were many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 I suppose the one positive from the possibility of us going bust would be that there is alot of them c*nts who will really struggle to find anyone who will take them, maybe they should realise it is in their best interests for SFC to continue. And Crab Lungs is right, how many of them have actually come out and said " Hey guys, thanks, thanks alot " They are all off on holiday now, their agents are busy fixing them up with a plan B if we go bust, I wonder how many of them will turn up to Saints Aid, you would think one or two at least? Surely? If the club goes down the sh!tter it won't be because I have not put much of my money in, it will be because the players have under-performed for the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 It's not conflicting... the Academy players genuinely owe Southampton something, many of them have benefited from being at one of the best Academys in the country, and it is fair to say, many of them would not have been proffesional footballers if it was not for this education. We(SFC) too have benefited to the tune of millions from their education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 We(SFC) too have benefited to the tune of millions from their education Not the ones who are still here we haven't, and we won't. The whole Academy at present is worth less than 1 Theo or Bale.... Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Not the ones who are still here we haven't, and we won't. Their fault or ours ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Top post Stu - spot on IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 (edited) I suppose the one positive from the possibility of us going bust would be that there is alot of them c*nts who will really struggle to find anyone who will take them, maybe they should realise it is in their best interests for SFC to continue. And Crab Lungs is right, how many of them have actually come out and said " Hey guys, thanks, thanks alot " They are all off on holiday now, their agents are busy fixing them up with a plan B if we go bust, I wonder how many of them will turn up to Saints Aid, you would think one or two at least? Surely? If the club goes down the sh!tter it won't be because I have not put much of my money in, it will be because the players have under-performed for the last two years. Unfortunately Stu, you will not find many, if any, selfless players in this day and age. They live in a totally different world and whilst there are exceptions (Damiano Tommasi, and I think another fella at Roma, and an Ath. Bilbao player who deferred or requested minimal wages) in the UK you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with an ounce of humility and ethics. Telfer I suppose is one, as was Taricco... but these cases were a while ago. I don't blame the fans essentially for not being at SMS... especially with the prices and the product on offer... I do proportion a large amount of the blame on the trough-dwellers who KNOWINGLY continued to take, take, take whilst the club was going to the wall. Its simply amazing that the fans rallied around yet even in a credit crunch, put their hands in their pockets. worst of all though is not one has said 'thank you' or given anything back. It stinks, and if we cease to exist the only bright cloud on a very dark horizon will be that the deck will be swept of these bloodsuckers. Edited 15 May, 2009 by Crab Lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Their fault or ours ? A mixture of both, in all honesty, don't want to turn it into a thread about the kids on £500 a week. It is more the senior players claiming they deffered wages and the players kissing the badge etc etc which really grate me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Unfortunately Stu, you will not find many, if any, selfless players in this day and age. Is this due to the day and age where it is impressed upon them how short their careers are and 'statistics' suggest 3mil is the figure to be considered a millionaire, watching the Hillsborough legends game the other night, heard a comment about Trevor Steven being involved in business as a football agent, having an interest in a company that provide private jets and something else, commentator said 'gone are the days when ex pros bought a pub' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Agree in the main, but where was the quote from Davis and Euell saying they had deferred their wages? I thought it was only a rumour on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Agree in the main, but where was the quote from Davis and Euell saying they had deferred their wages? I thought it was only a rumour on here. It was in the Echo.... funnily enough, I am trying to search the archive of their website and can't find the story..... how convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Well put Stu. I find it incredible that not one of our current under performing shower has made just some sort of gesture. They’ve had fantastic backing all season considering the gutless performances served up on a regular basis. Speaks volumes and confirms (if further conformation was really needed) that the majority of this squad are lacking in many ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Stu I agree 100% with that. Im gonna to name drop here but it is something that has stuck in my mind. Chris Marsden once said to me "there is only one kind of loyalty in football, and that is the fans" sums it up really doesnt it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 This is a good friday night thread. Weve all had a few beers and feeling emotional. I agree totally, **** EM ALL! ANd that includes any major shareholders who were looking to make money, and any ac****ant or administrator involved. (Been saying the same myself for the last few weeks./months/years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Stu I agree 100% with that. Im gonna to name drop here but it is something that has stuck in my mind. Chris Marsden once said to me "there is only one kind of loyalty in football, and that is the fans" sums it up really doesnt it! Chris Marsden ****ged my ex.... true story. Cost him his marriage to boot though.... haha gutted. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 I was using this post to reply to another thread, but went off on a tangent so might as well make it a thread of it's own. The players... Nobody is moaning about players getting paid lots. Lucky them, I work in sales, if I am good, I get lots of money, if I am bad, I get paid f*ck all, if only the same was said of our football players, the wage bill would have been zero for the last couple of years. However, not one of the has lead by example and put a penny in, to be honest, I am pretty p*ssed off that Kelvin Davies and Jason Euell tried to lie and say they had deffered wages..... why did they do that? I feel sorry for all the effort the Saints Trust went to just to pay for Wayne Thomas' wages for a week, I feel embarrassed for Goodies Fish and Chip shop who worked their arses off for free to pay for Bradley Wright-Phillips weekly wage. F*ck the players, the sh!te they have served up all season, for NOT A SINGLE ONE of them to stand up and say " Hey, I am willing to give a weeks wage, even a days wage to the cause " F*ck them, f*ck the lot of them, I hope we start with a completely new team next season, they can all f*ck off as far as I am concerned, and that includes Kelvin Davies. I don't give a f*ck how much they earn, just a days wage would have been enough, just to lead the way, but they don't care, they will get paid that for some other team. Surman..... supposedly a Saints fan, not put a penny into the pot, yet other Saints fans are having the guilt trip put on them..... just goes to show, people can kiss the badge all they want, they can say how much they love the club, the fact is that Matthew Le Tissier is the last Saints player to ever 'not' put his money where his mouth is and stay here for the love. I don't blame players for moving on, it's a job, I wouldn't lose a weeks wage for the company I work for if they went into administration, I would find a new job.... the same as most footballers would do. What I would not do is lie to the public and try to suggest I did, nor would I claim how much I love Southampton FC blah blah f*cking blah. B*llocks to them, b*llocks to them all. Amen I sometimes wonder is our club worth saving. Probably not......but the fans are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Amen I sometimes wonder is our club worth saving. Probably not......but the fans are! lets hope our new owners and players have a different moral code to the last set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 This is a good friday night thread. Weve all had a few beers and feeling emotional. I agree totally, **** EM ALL! ANd that includes any major shareholders who were looking to make money, and any ac****ant or administrator involved. (Been saying the same myself for the last few weeks./months/years) Well, that is a point, the f@ct is, without trying to be ITK, if the major shareholders had sold up at a reasonable rate, without trying to make a profit, we wouldn't be in this situation. More than one investor was put off by certain peoples unreasonable demands for their stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 I once worked for a company that went into administration, I went for 2 months without pay. The promise from the administrators was that if we stayed and kept the business running so it could be sold as a going concern, we would receive our unpaid wages from the new owners. The other option was voluntary redundancy. For those 2 months, I borrowed from friends and family to keep myself ticking over then paid them all back when, as the administrator promised, I was paid my owed wages. The fact that once I received my unpaid wages I then fooked off to another job is beside the point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painswick Saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 (edited) Very sad , but true. Stu RomseySaint has summed up matters quite succinctly Edited 15 May, 2009 by Painswick Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 And another point, I had a Goodies Fish and Chips on the Charity Day, and I had one the other day... ( that's why I am fat ) ... it might be wrong, it was the same dish, served by the same people, but it tasted so much better when I knew it was going in to the pockets of the staff and owners of the Chippy than the bitter taste it left on the charity day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 And another point, I had a Goodies Fish and Chips on the Charity Day, and I had one the other day... ( that's why I am fat ) ... it might be wrong, it was the same dish, served by the same people, but it tasted so much better when I knew it was going in to the pockets of the staff and owners of the Chippy than the bitter taste it left on the charity day. Is battered skate on the menu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Well said. If any of the players read the forum, which i doubt they do, then you should be ashamed. For YOU to let your employers down, is one thing. To not help in a situation where your employers might not even exist in a few weeks is unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Is battered skate on the menu? That would be amazing, I wouldn't eat it, probably just stare and laugh, and if it moved, I would stamp on it till it didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 B*llocks indeed. It's such a surreal feeling donating money to pay those who are paid more in a month or 2 than I am in a year. I tell myself it's to save the club but in reality it's to subsidise those whose lack of pride and footballing inadequacy places us in League 1 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Is battered skate on the menu? Fear not, it will be again soon, probably in 2 seasons time when we're on a par with them Seriously though, for me to comment on a thread like this when i have been, rightly or wrongly, very critical of the fans in recent times speaks volumes. But what Stu has touched upon has been somewhat overlooked and is damning... i don't think this should ever be forgotten, whatever happens. **** whoevers in boardroom and whoever claims power, the REAL DAY when we get 'our club' back is the day when we have 11 players who will bleed for the red and white. When that happens, the city, the people, the outlook will all change - and it will be noticeable everywhere. There will be the long craved unity after such a divisive period of time... fans will no longer argue politics, but team selections... Flowers will look brighter, food will taste better and goals will be appreciated more than they have ever been. FWIW, we're not out of the woods yet but I believe that day won't be far off from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Nice one Stu, very impassioned and I totally agree with your emotions. It does always seem that the fans are the ones that are taken for mugs, I doubt one Saints current player gives a **** about our current plight as they will still earn a wage elsewhere as another club will offer them a lifeline if we do go bust - something which the club itself may not have the luxury of if this situation drags on much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Harsh words fueled by the frustration on our present situation IMHO. Would people be moaning about the wages if the club was not in the carp? I mean, if everything had worked out just the same (crap season and relegated) but SFC was still in a healthy state financially, would there be threads on this forum criticising players for the amount of money they earn? Hypothetically speaking, if I find out my Saints supporting neighbour next door earns £1000 a month more than me, am I within my rights to insist he pays that £1000 to Save our Saints because he can surely afford it? No. So some of the Saints players earn more than me too - that doesn't mean they should start paying it back to the club does it? The fact that some of their wages may exceed your own income does not mean they are awash with spare cash to donate to all and sundry. They were given a contract and they get paid accordingly. Get over it. Who said Davies and Euell offered to defer their wages? Did you hear them say it or did you read it in the same place that is now telling you they didn't after all? I am as ******ed off about the whole sorry affair as the next man, but to get all bitter and twisted of players earnings and how they should pay some back to help out is wasted energy. I have my flame proof vest on ready for the onslaught....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 The payers have let us down..... a new club should be without the current lot - except KD.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 The leeches have bled this club us fans love dry, and us the fans are suffering. As Duncan, points out it is us the fans who deserve our club, and very few others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 the REAL DAY when we get 'our club' back is the day when we have 11 players who will bleed for the red and white. When that happens, the city, the people, the outlook will all change - and it will be noticeable everywhere. QUOTE] Well said mate. I still maintain the support this season, with all things considered, has been very good and extremely patient. Here's to next season with decent owners (i'm sure it'll be tomorrow!?!) a few new grounds, a united and loyal support and .... 'you can stick your points deduction up your arse' etc UTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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