Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4425104.Plenty_of_names_in_the_frame_for_Saints_job/ not a bad selection IMO for me coppell tisdale boothrooyd in that order of preference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4425104.Plenty_of_names_in_the_frame_for_Saints_job/ not a bad selection IMO for me coppell tisdale boothrooyd in that order of preference Looks like they've been sniffing the printing ink down there again,apart from Cotterill and Wotte all the rest are non-starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Looks like they've been sniffing the printing ink down there again,apart from Cotterill and Wotte all the rest are non-starters. I wouldn't say Tisdale is a non-starter but some of the rest I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Looks like they've been sniffing the printing ink down there again,apart from Cotterill and Wotte all the rest are non-starters. why is Boothroyd a non starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Tisdale for me all day long...sign him up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 why is Boothroyd a non starter? Because he'll be looking higher up than the 3rd division,Tisdale will probably stay at Exeter rather than fall into the bear-trap that wil be SFC under the new regime, we'll get there but we're on minus -10 and the fans will probably turn on any manager that doesn't win every game 6-0.If I was a manager I'd think long and hard about next season at SFC,fan's expectations will be very high and the knives come out pretty easily down at SMS. Cotterill is my favourite for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Because he'll be looking higher up than the 3rd division,Tisdale will probably stay at Exeter rather than fall into the bear-trap that wil be SFC under the new regime, we'll get there but we're on minus -10 and the fans will probably turn on any manager that doesn't win every game 6-0.If I was a manager I'd think long and hard about next season at SFC,fan's expectations will be very high and the knives come out pretty easily down at SMS. Cotterill is my favourite for the job. to be fair i think this season many will just be pleased we have a club to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndy1970 Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 In todays Sun, it says Shearer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 I'd rather wait and see that the takeover is completed then worry about the manager. It is all a bit too quiet for my liking, not that I am paranoid or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 This is just idle speculation - the Echo is no more in the know than the ITKers on here! We've just got to get behind whoever Pinnacle choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 In todays Sun, it says Shearer!!! That's that settled then, Shearer it is... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2468858/Toon-torment-for-Big-Al.html Surely it can't be wrong if it's in the SUN..!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2468858/Toon-torment-for-Big-Al.html Well it is hardly a major article on Shearer joining Southampton is it? More a case of a journo wondering how to finish one of his sentences....oh, I know, I'll mention the highly unlikely Southampton link as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 According to SSN this morning Shearer is off to WBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 That's that settled then, Shearer it is... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2468858/Toon-torment-for-Big-Al.html Surely it can't be wrong if it's in the SUN..!!! So to sum this up then. Next season we will have a club run by Lynam,MLT,Crouch and presumably some accountant or other and managed by Shearer. Oh brave new world. And there was me hoping that we were going to have some experienced people on the job.It really does sound like the Teddy Bear's Picnic, everything to please the fans and very little to get a very difficult job done.Still it's only rumour and speculation thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Well it is hardly a major article on Shearer joining Southampton is it? More a case of a journo wondering how to finish one of his sentences....oh, I know, I'll mention the highly unlikely Southampton link as well. Damn foiled again - and there I was thinking that the Sun journalist were far, far to professional to simply 'make things up' or print 'wild speculation', I thought they checked all of their leads and facts. Ohhh well - back to the drawing board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 So to sum this up then. Next season we will have a club run by Lynam,MLT,Crouch and presumably some accountant or other and managed by Shearer. Oh brave new world. And there was me hoping that we were going to have some experienced people on the job.It really does sound like the Teddy Bear's Picnic, everything to please the fans and very little to get a very difficult job done.Still it's only rumour and speculation thankfully. Sorry - what are you saying - you don't think that this 'dream team' will work and we should bring in more experienced people. Ummm cunning plan - but not the way we normally do business you know...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 According to SSN this morning Shearer is off to WBA to do what? Couldn't keep Newcastle up with some really good players so what exactly he'll be expected to do at WBA beats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 June, 2009 to do what? Couldn't keep Newcastle up with some really good players so what exactly he'll be expected to do at WBA beats me. WBA would be in a different league to when he was at newcastle.. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Isn't tisdale at exeter who are in the same division as saints? Why would he be so desperate to move a club in the same division after experiencing so much success at his current club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Isn't tisdale at exeter who are in the same division as saints? Why would he be so desperate to move a club in the same division after experiencing so much success at his current club? i know it is the done thing to dumb down saints etc. but serioulsy. exeter or saints...? seriously..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 WBA would be in a different league to when he was at newcastle.. HTH Shearer's complete lack of grasp of defensive play led to Newcastle getting relegated, it was so gong-ho that it was unbelievable.He needs to learn the trade in the conference or something,as far as I can remember strikers turned managers have a woeful record when they are directly parachuted into the top flight.Is any of the top managers now a former striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Shearer's complete lack of grasp of defensive play led to Newcastle getting relegated, it was so gong-ho that it was unbelievable.He needs to learn the trade in the confrerence or something,as far as I can remember strikers turned managers have a woeful record when they are directly parachuted into the top flight.Is any of the top managers now a former striker? mark hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 i know it is the done thing to dumb down saints etc. but serioulsy. exeter or saints...? seriously..? You're answering questions with questions. I asked first. Put our own fondness for our club aside and ask yourself why should we be such an attractive proposition for any manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Shearer's complete lack of grasp of defensive play led to Newcastle getting relegated, it was so gong-ho that it was unbelievable.He needs to learn the trade in the conference or something,as far as I can remember strikers turned managers have a woeful record when they are directly parachuted into the top flight.Is any of the top managers now a former striker? Alex Ferguson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 mark hughes Hughes managed Wales for 5 years before he got a club job, Wales is about League 2 standard so he had time to learn.i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 June, 2009 You're answering questions with questions. I asked first. Put our own fondness for our club aside and ask yourself why should we be such an attractive proposition for any manager? exeter... hmm no resources, probably taken them as far as he can (probably too quickly) small fan base. probably at the limit of their current potential saints. even though we are in the crap. have some decent players, easily premier league facilities, great ground to call home. POSSIBLY have alot of money than what you are used to available to you. believe in your own ability to get saints up. attract better players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Alex Ferguson? there again 3 scottish clubs managed before Man U,gradually working his way up the ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Shearer's complete lack of grasp of defensive play led to Newcastle getting relegated, it was so gong-ho that it was unbelievable.He needs to learn the trade in the conference or something,as far as I can remember strikers turned managers have a woeful record when they are directly parachuted into the top flight.Is any of the top managers now a former striker?Didn't Marco Van Basten go virtually straight into managing the Dutch national team after doing little more than piddling around with Ajax reserves for a few months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 exeter... hmm no resources, probably taken them as far as he can (probably too quickly) small fan base. probably at the limit of their current potential saints. even though we are in the crap. have some decent players, easily premier league facilities, great ground to call home. POSSIBLY have alot of money than what you are used to available to you. believe in your own ability to get saints up. attract better players Or an outsider could accuse us of ... half empty stadium fickle fans ... with high / unrealistic expectations. history of board room squabbles financial uncertainty (although nobody is well place to comment on this currently) best players possibly wanting out due to relegation. squad ill suited to league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Or an outsider could accuse us of ... half empty stadium fickle fans ... with high / unrealistic expectations. history of board room squabbles financial uncertainty (although nobody is well place to comment on this currently) best players possibly wanting out due to relegation. squad ill suited to league one. they could. but the facts remain. success at saints will bring you far far greater rewards and recognition than success at exeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 (edited) Or an outsider could accuse us of ... half empty stadium fickle fans ... with high / unrealistic expectations. history of board room squabbles financial uncertainty (although nobody is well place to comment on this currently) best players possibly wanting out due to relegation. squad ill suited to league one. I think you could make a similar list for most clubs - especially those that have fallen from grace as quickly as we have. However long the list of negatives you can dream up, it would still be a no brainer if somebody had to choose between managing Saints and managing Exeter (assuming that person was confident in his ability to do either). It is plain daft to think otherwise IMHO. Edited 8 June, 2009 by kpturner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 June, 2009 I think you could make a similar for most clubs - especially those that have fallen from grace as quickly as we have. However long the list of negatives you can dream up, it would still be a no brainer if somebody had to choose between managing Saints and managing Exeter (assuming that person was confident in his ability to do either). It is plain daft to think otherwise IMHO. another example grayson, dropped down a league to manage a bigger club i know it is the done thing to knock saints vut seriously, it is not arrogant to believe that even now saints ARE bigger than exeter.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Or an outsider could accuse us of ... half empty stadium fickle fans ... with high / unrealistic expectations. history of board room squabbles financial uncertainty (although nobody is well place to comment on this currently) best players possibly wanting out due to relegation. squad ill suited to league one. At this moment in time we don't really have a team,it is now about 30days (or less) to the first pre-season game.Who'd want to take on that situation rather than stay with a club that he's got promoted to the same level in 2 seasons.Believe you me managing Southampton FC next season will be a big,thankless and difficult job,few will fall over themselves to give up a job that they already have to take it. Wotte or Cotteril, therein lies the choice,unless we go route 3 Nick Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Shearer's complete lack of grasp of defensive play led to Newcastle getting relegated, it was so gong-ho that it was unbelievable.He needs to learn the trade in the conference or something,as far as I can remember strikers turned managers have a woeful record when they are directly parachuted into the top flight.Is any of the top managers now a former striker? Sir Alex Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/jun/08/premierleague-arsenal ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/jun/08/premierleague-arsenal ??Does it mention me being signed by Saints as replacement for Surman? All true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Shearer's complete lack of grasp of defensive play led to Newcastle getting relegated, it was so gong-ho that it was unbelievable.He needs to learn the trade in the conference or something,as far as I can remember strikers turned managers have a woeful record when they are directly parachuted into the top flight.Is any of the top managers now a former striker? To add to Mark Hughes (well done TDD) Sir Alex Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Because he'll be looking higher up than the 3rd division,Tisdale will probably stay at Exeter rather than fall into the bear-trap that wil be SFC under the new regime, we'll get there but we're on minus -10 and the fans will probably turn on any manager that doesn't win every game 6-0.If I was a manager I'd think long and hard about next season at SFC,fan's expectations will be very high and the knives come out pretty easily down at SMS. Cotterill is my favourite for the job. I think you have just summed up why I would be OK with Wotte getting a season. I think he would do well enough to keep us up and stabalise us for 1 season. Brining in someone like Tisdale then would give him and us a decent spring board to go off. Bring in Tisdale now and do bad and the new lot will just carry on the merry go round of managers that Lowe started, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Shearer's complete lack of grasp of defensive play led to Newcastle getting relegated, it was so gong-ho that it was unbelievable.He needs to learn the trade in the conference or something,as far as I can remember strikers turned managers have a woeful record when they are directly parachuted into the top flight.Is any of the top managers now a former striker? I don't think it was gung-ho at all - it was just a prime example of someone who talks a good game but is absolutely f u c king rubbish at motivating and coaching when it comes down to it. His team had no idea what formations they were playing and had absolutely no patterning of play. They ran around alot, but they had no idea when they went out onto the pitch how to construct an attacking move and defend. In fact, they were one of the most toothless teams i have ever seen in the Premier League... Put that together with his staggering lack of charisma (he made SG Eriksson look like a psychopath) and you get a very bad manager. Shearer is very good at giving little soundbites and stating the obvious, but I doubt very much he is any good at coaching given the evidence of his 8 (most very winnable) games in charge. Kinnear, an average manager BUT a motivator, probably would have kept them up.... a good lower league manager would have gained more respect there without a doubt once the players realised that Shearer couldn't cut it. The above also goes to Ince... although he is even more stupid and grossly inarticulate. Billy big ****** when he played, but when it comes down to it, just a gob sh i t e. So please, none of those above. Tisdale, Boothroyd, Simpson or Dowie would be solid bets though. If I was to dream, Coppell, WGS or Metsu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 To add to Mark Hughes (well done TDD) Sir Alex Ferguson Ahem. Post 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Isn't tisdale at exeter who are in the same division as saints? Why would he be so desperate to move a club in the same division after experiencing so much success at his current club? did you not notice Grayson dropping down a division to manage Leeds United. If the money is right and owners make the right noises about ambition then any manager is a possibility. I just wonder if there is not someone in the lower leagues (other than Tis) that would be suitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 did you not notice Grayson dropping down a division to manage Leeds United. If the money is right and owners make the right noises about ambition then any manager is a possibility. I just wonder if there is not someone in the lower leagues (other than Tis) that would be suitable? Paul Tisdale, Dave Penney.... Like Grayson... maybe Sean O'Driscoll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 i know it is the done thing to dumb down saints etc. but serioulsy. exeter or saints...? seriously..? My thoughts exactly! Why are people saying it wouldn't be a step up just because they're in the same division as us. If you were managing Burnley and Liverpool called you up offering the managers job who would you go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Paul Tisdale, Dave Penney.... Like Grayson... maybe Sean O'Driscoll? I mean Paul Simpson as well as Tisdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 The Coventry Telegraph are saying its Dowie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Out of the names being thrown around, my order would be: 1. Steve Coppell 2. Gordon Strachan 3. Paul Ince 4. Paul Tisdale 5. Mark Wotte 6. Steve Cotterill 7. Glenn Hoddle 8. Aidy Boothroyd 9. Iain Dowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 (edited) The Coventry Telegraph are saying its Dowie! Just seen the article and it is merely a reworking of the guff in the Echo to appeal to those reading in Coventry. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/football-rumours-gossip/2009/06/08/iain-dowie-linked-with-southampton-fc-manager-role-92746-23816565/ Edited 8 June, 2009 by Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 (edited) Hughes managed Wales for 5 years before he got a club job, Wales is about League 2 standard so he had time to learn.i Well he did beat Italy along the way. Edited 8 June, 2009 by Torbay Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4425104.Plenty_of_names_in_the_frame_for_Saints_job/ not a bad selection IMO for me coppell tisdale boothrooyd in that order of preference Straight lift from this messageboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 Thanks to those who responded to my posts with some reasoned debate. For what it's worth, I was pursuing the arguments I put forward after somebody tried the same tactic against me during a recent discussion. My intention isn't to be overly negative about Saints and I certainly wasn't trying to suggest that I believe the potentially negative points about the club. Moreover, my intention was to make us realise that we have to avoid becoming over complacent about our status and the appeal we may hold for potential managers. Depending on what sort of man Tisdale, or any other manager is, they may see the glass half full or glass half empty version of Saints. You could argue that they're not the right man if they choose to turn down an approach for the sorts of reasons I suggested. However, my main aim is that we shouldn't necessarily be surprised if we are turned down by some of the managers being suggested. There are always two sides to every story etc. For what it's worth though, I don't want Wotte here long term and I hope that a new appointment is one that brings a united fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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