Patrick Bateman

It just didn't make sense. Hence you're on your own planet. Was it supposed be funny?? Hilarious.

What planet are you on?

It's just a mechanism to replace cash - imagine how quick it'd be paying at a bar with no cash, no cards (unless they're contactless as well)!

Celtic vs Rangers ...

If you lose your wallet and it's full of cash ... ? (you can block your bPay account)

Totally different parts of the "bank".

Who has time to read all this sort of stuff??

Who writes these atrocious articles for "Here is the city" and what is "Here is the city"?

It is old news, but I thought it was amusing. Maybe I have bad taste too.

Awesome, thanks Norm! Did you post them on the old Saintslist days? I remember very similar pics going up then, loads of excitement when the first slap of concrete steps went in

Don't you ever have a proper chip butty with loads of butter on the bread?

Jesus. I've read it all now!

How will that atmosphere sound for the other games then? Brilliant Go and have a glass of rose, light some candles and have a bath.

Not if they have to take out a £30m loan to build 10,000 seats and that loan gets recalled by the bank because they want their money back and we go into admin ... If we sell our players and don't get so lucky with the next lot or we get a load of injuries and get relegated, doesn't look so smart then either ... Bottom line; If we are selling out the stadium, week-in, week-out for a couple of seasons, then yes, but we're not. We're way off.

Your point has been answered. Now please present me with a compelling business case for an expansion? Based on the data available to me here, a 14 year pay back on an additional 10,000 seats isn't compelling.

Because it was a family day out for many people who never actually go to a game, ever. I know many who went who never go to St Marys.

Without being too mean, your world must be so simple. You're exactly like those people on Dragon's Den (or people I see weekly trying to get me to help fund their ideas) who come up with a half-baked idea, a business case with no foundation and no research or data to back it up. Saints get "lumped in" with those stadiums as they're pretty similar, bog-standard medium size city/town stadiums, built for the size of catchment. Well, except Middlesbrough who seem to get about 3 people per match now. And even when we do sell out (how many times last season, a couple?), it is not hard to get a ticket - corporate normally always has space. For the last match last season, I ended up with 4 tickets from people who didn't want to go, so flogged them on. Even though, I struggled to shift them. Very simply; It would cost about £30m (using Steve's seat calculations), if not more, to build 10000 seats on the Kingsland. At an average cost of £30 a seat (it wouldn't be that high after concessions), that would take 100 matches, to recoup the £30m. If based on your 7 game sell-out a year, we got an extra 10000 for those 7 matches (!!!!), that would take nearly 15 years, just to pay back the original investment. I'm out.

Could not agree more. We don't have the catchment, nor the demographics. How many times did we exceed 30,000 at the Dell, when the Dell was all standing and could accommodate that many? Not many I reckon. Until we "win stuff" and start wasting money on players like Falcao and clowns like Balotelli, we won't see the plastics and volume of day-trippers other grounds get. Look how awful the atmosphere is at Old Trafford, Anfield, The Emirates where they get more football tourists.

That's only part of it. I know loads of people who went who never go to a Saints game usually. They went as it was a "big day out" for them and/or for their families. There are an awful lot of people who don't go to many Saints matches and WILL pick and choose due to cost, online streaming, family reasons, work reasons, having other life activities reasons. I genuinely think we don't live in a big enough catchment or city to warrant expanding for some time, until we start winning stuff then all the new fans will emerge.

Part of the match day experience and fun, surely?

Good point. Shouldn't they be writing for the Sun

The first post. Thanks, bye.

Shouldn't the title be; "Saints not keen on stadium expansion unless we sell out every match for a prolonged period"? You should be writing headlines for the Sun. And for what it's worth, I totally agree with this approach - we need to focus on the existing experience, make it more attractive to sell out all areas first.

Jesus Christ - why is this forum full of absolute nutters? What are you like at home? I'm sure half of you are bi-polar. A player linked with a club, shock. It happens, it happened a lot over the summer, it'll keep happening a lot the better we do. It's no big deal.

Think that's a bit unfair. He's still done nothing wrong and is ending his epic journey of a career at his hometown club - he probably would like to play more, but I'm sure he's still just buzzing to be there, involved and on the bench with the odd appearance.