Micky

I don't, but I might choose to, and if I did - I would still comply.

My I larfed.... I have just added that to my watch list to see how much it actually goes for... never mind the sellers state of mind, you have to worry about the buyer. 60 quid, I wouldn't give you 60p for the thing....!

I have no idea if my views are racist - this thread I find somewhat confusing. What I don't find confusing is that a Police Officer requested that a woman identify herself and she failed to do so, as a result she found herself in front of a judge - good. Racism, don't know - but, thank god, 'common sence' prevailed. I freqently travel, am often asked to identify myself to customs and excise officers, security staff and occasionally police officers, and I do so - every time. What is the difference between me and this lady?

Yes, we are probably all agreed on this. But the specific question that the OP raises is (I think), can (will) we catch Brighton, can (will) we overhaul them, will we win the league?

Ahhhhh European Law - the final bastion of justice when all else has failed - let's all run to the European Law. I hate to say this, but even if European Law says that it is discriminatory, try and find me an insurance company that is going to insure an 18 year old driver, driving a 2 litre motor for the same premium as somebody who is over 25, has full no claims. Google that. Sorry - but until thousands of 18 - 25 year olds take thier cases to the European Courts - and win them - then they will continue to pay high insurance premiums. It is so, because the facts point to them as being a high risk group. So for me - still not discriminatory, unfortunate for some, maybe, but discriminatory - no.

Of course we can catch them - but not until next season. They are home free now (and thoroughly deserve to be), let's just concentrate on not blowing 2nd place and then see who's top dog next year - should be interesting.

Ummm noted - poor quote selection by myself. Should of omitted the first sentence, it is not in context.

Without wishing to cause an argument - there is absolutely nothing discriminatory about it at all. Insurance companies have such high premium for drivers within a certain age range (generally classed as young people) because the facts show that they are more likely to be involved in accidents and thus require to claim upon their insurance. There is no discrimination there, insurance companies work very much like bookies - they have shown over a long period of time that young drives claim more.

Don't know where I stand on this to be quite honest - I probably fall into your 'elderly' category, yet when I'm out driving I look at the way some of the yoof drive and it dismays me. I tend to watch a lot of those reality police programs as well, and the joyriding / car theft chases that take place (while funny) are really quite dangerous - 90 percent of the people that 'bale out and run' after crashing the car appear to be somewhat youthful to me. (Well I couldn't run that fast anyway) I also tend to think that driving is a culteral thing as well - and we in Britain are not particularly good drivers (although our roads probably don't help either). I work abroad a lot and drive in both Holland and Germany amongst other places, but those two countries have very different road cultures as well. In Germany, many road sections are unregulated and so speeds on motorways are often in the 120+ in the outside lanes - meaning that you rarely see poor lane discipline. Generally speaking there B road system and town systems are also well thought out - there is no such thing as an accident in Germany, somebody is always in the wrong. If you drive from Germany to Holland, the very first thing you notice is the speed limit 120kmph - similar to ours in the UK. But the big exception is that they keep to it. A lot of Hollands motorways are radio controlled, which obviously regulates drivers, and conditions them to drive within certain limits. Another thing you notice about the roads as well is how well maintained, marked and how clean they are - Holland is really a place to drive and relax - it is not the rat race that you get in the UK. I rarely see 'boy racer' cars in these countries either, whether relevant I don't know - but it would appear that many of the young drivers tend to 'understate' their cars as opposed to over here where I see wall to wall 900 engines with great big exhaust pipes, cheapo alloys and a few fire stickers. As I say, driving is a cultural thing - personally, I just don't think we are very good at it in the UK.

Which is a totally trivial reason to carry out such an act, but Sky has an even more bizarre reason: "At the end of shore-based basic training and then lengthy specialist onboard work submariners are awarded a "dolphins" badge, which helps marks their difference from surface sailors. The MoD refused to comment on claims that the incident took place after a row unfolded over the use of a toilet." http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201104115969143 As I said before - totally sad incident for all involved.

Well that's that then - best lock this thread now. If only all threads were so cut and dried...!

Cherries look like they may not make the play-offs even now - their current form is gash.....

He's behind you.......!!!!

Love the Sky Sports 'Live' Commentary: Final comment: 90 Leyton Orient are in control of the match. Key player: Lee Barnard WTF is all that about....!! lol

Sounds like we rode our luck a bit, 2 offside goals, hitting the post, everything else went our way in the other games as well. Mind you, away win, 3 points and a clean sh*t to boot - well happy.....

And breathe........

So in effect having an armed guard on board really appears pretty unecessary really. I have worked on many Military bases both at home and operationally, and while there is obviously a need to have armed guards, I cannot recall any instances where the weapon was loaded while inside a base or 'safe' building. Take normal barrack guards for instance - they too patrol with loaded (made safe) weapons, but on completion of their duty they report to an unloading bay, are met by a guard commander who supervises the safe unloading of the weapon, and who takes the loaded magazine from the guard before he enters the guardroom - hence no loaded weapon in a confined space. I have seen accidents occur in such situations, where weapons have been discharged in building (one a 'charlie g'...!) but these were caused by negligence and not observing the correct procedures. Don't get me wrong - if somebody wants to harm somebody else and they have access to weapons and ammunition, then it's likely that they will find a way. I just find it strange that a loaded SA80, basically an infantry weapon with an operational range of 300 metres is deemed necessary inside a nuclear submarine.

Tragic incident, isn't the first and probably wont be the last time that this sort of shooting takes place - but the fact that the men were meant to be comrades makes it all the harder to understand. It sounds as though it was a calculated attack though, had the guy selected automatic instead of single shots, he could have emptied the full mag in under 5 seconds. In the confines of the Ops Room of a submarine that would have been devestating and many more could have been killed or injured. Don't know what level of weapons control is exercised on Navy subs, but suspect that procedures could well be reviewed in light of this. Is there really any need to carry a loaded weapon on board whilst docked in Southampton, who knows. Sad incident for all concerned really.

Although probably posted in a flippant manner, you actually raise quite a good point. I have worked in numerous environments where mobile phones are banned and as such have had to surrender them at the company reception or leave them in the car. I have attended business meetings between different opposing parties where mobiles were strictly banned for fear of recording or relaying information for 3rd parties. I'm sure others have been subjected to similar measures in their working role as well. The point being - many professional companies deal with the issue of mobile phones and ban them from thier premises, thus we are not allowed to take them to work - yet our schools cannot ban our children from bringing them to their place of education, or control them once they are there - madness.

Couldn't agree more - I love my kids, but know that they are no angels. I have recently had issues with their schooling and have met with both the Headmaster and teacher to try to work towards a solution - both were very honest and helpful. Parents need to work in partnership with the education staff if they want their children to reach their full potential, as is borne out in your sons case. My first comment on this thread was along the lines of 'giving the schools back to the teachers', I stand by that, but we have an awful long way to go if this where we currently are: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Teachers-Strike-Darwen-Vale-High-School-Staff-Walk-Out-Over-Violence-And-Threats-By-Pupils/Article/201104115967755?lpos=UK_News_First_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15967755_Teachers_Strike%3A_Darwen_Vale_High_School_Staff_Walk_Out_Over_Violence_And_Threats_By_Pupils Quite sad, shocking and disturbing really.

The sash has served it's purpose, feel privilidged that you were around to wear it on our 125th anniversary, back to the closet with it now in preparation for those lucky folk who will don it on our 250th. Hail - the return of red and white stripes.

Gotta hand it to the guy, there are an awful lot of players who drop down a division or two in their twilight years and basically 'coast' - doing just enough. But, from what I've read, Radhi seems to be doing it week in and week out now. Perhaps he wants one more shot at glory and promotion would be a real bonus for him at his age - hope he achieves it. Top man. (Clean sh*t - my I larfed...!!!)

This. Coupled with the fact that the amount of fouls probably tells you something about the amount of challenges that we are making during the game, which in turn would point to a high workrate level. It would also indicate that we are making the challenges in the 'right areas' of the pitch as well.

Sorry, you lost me, what was the point you were trying to make....???

Good lad hutch - go smoke your guts out mate - brilliant timing....!!!