Micky

Lets face it, the whole season has been a bloody pantomime up to now anyway and so therefore that wouldn't look out of place in our team. Probably faster and fitter than half of our squad anyway - bring it on - give it a game...!

Derby did Man U fair and square - but how that relates to our game against them is beyond me. Football is full of surprises, didn't see many people predicting we would go to Reading and win, look at the teams that Burnley have taken out in their cup run. There are loads of 'one off' surprises that you can quote - but in the grand scheme of things trying to compare individual games and point to form is pretty fruitless. For us it matters only about what we do between now and the end of the season - shove Derby...!!

My experience of a tandem is that the guy at the front does all the peddling and works his butt off, while the guy at the back sits and does naff all because his 'partner' can't see his skiving, idle ways. I take it DMG will be on the back then...!!!

Can't say that I'm particularly overwhelmed - but I guess 'something is always better than nothing'.

Phew - thank god for posts 2 - 6, I thought I had lost my marbles for a minute there...!!!

Interesting theory - makes a change from the normal D & G merchants - I hope you are correct.

Perhaps these conclusions are nearer the actual truth... Here we are only 4 days into the new year and the old ITK and source problem has once again arisen. It's gonna be a good one......

Most foolish post of the day.... nay year actually, as we are only 5 days into it....

Somebody is lying.... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7592 or at the very least being 'economical with the truth...!'

The truth hurts - but Tim is right in a way. These kids are being fed to the lions, they aint good enough - but they are all that we have. We need to keep believing in them otherwise they will surely fold at every game in which the going gets tough. Spin no, encouragement, advice and support - yes. Currently it's the only way we are going to get out of this mess.

Would agree - I didn't see anybody not trying today - the fact of the matter is they played to thier potential, but this was never, ever going to be anywhere near enough to worry Man Utd. They are simply not good enough to compete. Individually we probably have a few that are good enough - collectively, unfortunately we are nowhere near the mark. Tis not thier fault - they just aint good enough.

Exactly - so if you're going to do anything against the top sides - you have to play well, get your fair share of luck and defend properly. Unfortunately none of those things happened for us today.

Because they are 10 times better than us - simple fact really.

Better team spirit perhaps.... we look like a team that really doesn't have too much confidence no matter who we play.

Red or Yellow - you have to also take into account that somebody is also assessing Mike Rileys performance as well. It looked a rash, poorly timed tackle - a red for me.

For those that haven't seen it: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2086897.ece

Point..?

Laughable - hello - he doesn't want to smoke on the concourse. (He did have a crafty few puffs there though, and that might well be terminal for you if you were one of the 15000 or so that were withn 100 meters of him when he committed that cardinal sin). Again you appear to be playing moderator and trying to regulate what can and cannot be discussed here. You seem to think that he wants the ban lifted - he doesn't - he wants some arrangement in place to be able to smoke safely away from non smokers. No more no less. Honestly guys - he wants a cigarette - it ain't the end of the world. BTW - Should we also get a petition going to: Get a centre back Remove Lowe Remove Wilde Get Corke back Organise a mass demo ...or perhaps just discuss the possibilities here on the forum.

Damn - nothing like starting the New Year as you mean to go on I guess. Could be a long hard second half to this season now.

I am not quoting anything from the club...! I'm agreeing with the rules - so is MC. He has not vented his frustration anywhere - merely raise a valid issue about his matchday experience. If relating his smoking experience, and posting an honest account of it here, in the hope of finding a workable solution is in your opinion irrational then I wonder how you view the many other threads here. I would imagin that those posters currently trying to organise mass demonstrations and oust certain board members are not only irrational but should be sectioned - surely?

Errr no he doesn't - read post 244.

Many thanks for bringing some perspective to the argument - perhaps his point wasn't well made - but the fact remains, I still think that his request for smoking arrangements should at least be considered. It would be interesting to see how many publicans would be willing to revert to 'smoking allowed' premises if the law allowed them to.

Ahhhh right - so we won't bother with SWF now then. Whenever we have a problem or issue with the club we will resort to pen and paper - and write to the club in person. Just like you do with all of the 'issues' that you have with the club then eh? Or do you air them here, on the Saints Web Forum? Just for the record as well - I agree with the ban, totally. But I can also appreciate others requirements as well. Thanks for your input - it was enlightening to say the least - the very least that is.

I only really read the first line - nobody is advocating tolerance to drink drivers - total rubbish. Strangely though drinking is actively encouraged in entertainment venues. I don't wish to get into some stupid argument with you about toilet seats and the like - I really cannot be bothered. Nobody is advocating smoking inside SMS - purley looking for sensible smoking arrangements for those who attend.

No idea what the bold statement is meant to mean. As for the rest of your argument - yes it holds water to some extent and certain issues would need to be dealt with, that said - smoking facilities are apparently being successfully implemented at Derby, Coventry and other stadiums - therefore I still see no reason why not here. If there is a cost issue that cannot be met, then perhaps it is not possible, but simply discriminating against people, on the grounds that they are smokers, for me, is not an option.