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The Conservative majority is too small to withstand the pressure of Leave supporting MPs refusing to support legislation etc. The loss of a large number of disillusioned Leave voters at a General election would mean a considerable loss of existing Conservative seats to other parties. The biggest beneficiary would be UKIP who could also benefit from a Labour vote switching in the North of England. The UK will split from the EU, there will be trade but the other EU conditions will be vetoed by the Conservative Leavers.
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I voted Conservative. The Conservative majority grass roots is Eurosceptic or more to the point don't want the EU at any price. The Politicians got it wrong over the referendum and many lost their jobs including the PM, make the same mistake again and ignoring the grassroots Conservative vote will lead to a mass defection to UKIP to really get out. Liberal and Labour voters don't get the ill feeling that there is amongst Conservatives towards the politicians and the EU. The Express, Sun and Mail will reinforce that feeling if there is any left wing attempt to subvert the referendum decision.
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What the politicians don't get yet is that most of the people who voted out, voted out of the EU not a cobbled up arrangement. If Theresa May doesn't want to be leader of the opposition she'd better get that sooner rather than later. We can trade at whatever terms are negotiated but the rest is a red line. Out means out. The Leave voters are watching carefully and any attempt at a fudge will end in tears for the Conservatives. A majority of Conservatives voted to leave and will desert them.
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Probably the best result, a clean break, out two years after A50 with no fudged agreements. I'd take that any day of the week.
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The imports and exports are for goods. This argument is about £100b annual deficit on goods that support manufacturing jobs in the EU used as leverage, especially in Germany.
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2015 EU / UK deficit £68b. Jan ,Feb and March 2016 £23.9b, April approx. £16b (from HMRC graph ), May £12.7 that makes a deficit on goods of over £52b in the first five months of this year (HMRC). By my reckoning a £100b deficit is reasonable. Additionally exports are decreasing and imports are increasing year on year with the EU so the deficit is increasing. We export about 45% to the EU decreasing but run a surplus with the rest of the world with the remaining 55%. Our trade outside the EU should increase as we make trade agreements outside the EU and especially if the EU fail to agree a deal that includes restricted access to EU citizens.
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You didn't and lost. We did and the sooner the better. In the end we will get a good deal or the Conservative leavers will see this government off. If you lefties were Conservative voters you might have a bit of influence but being Liberal and Labour voters leaves you neutered.
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£100b annual surplus published by the national statistics department in June.
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No free movement, Trade will happen. We don't want to be part of the single market, that's what we voted to get out of. How the EU especially Germany decides to trade their £100b surplus with the UK is their problem. Tariffs are a two way street. Fishing grounds will be another problem for the EU. I'd just as soon see us run out of time and just be out.
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I think the U21 format has changed this year to U23.
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Thumb in the dyke stuff from the Remoaners, If the Government activate Article 50 it's activated. When they decide is up to them as we don't have a constitution. Repealing the 1972 Act would need a vote. An October date has been set but the Judge only indicated displeasure if Article 50 was activated before then and that it would probably have to be up to the Supreme Court to rule on the claim. The Government has said that it wants to get it's negotiating position set before activating. there is only five month in this year so the beginning of 2017 sounds sensible. Another case of clutching at straws and chucking money at lawyers. I'm really pleased the IMF has pronounced again, with their record of forecasting being on a par with Cameron and Osborne we are probably set fair for a while.
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In the say 30 year life of Trident unless the law changes we will flush well over £500 billion into foreign aid. Cheap at the price looking at that. Maybe we should spend that at home and on the military.
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By the time that comes, we will be out. At the moment it looks like a split up for Labour. What Conservative would vote for that rabble or the LDs. UKIP could well be the beneficiary of the Leave Labour voters and end up with many seats in the North of England and would support the Conservatives in killing any re-entry move. Once we are out we won't be going back. By 2020 we will have settled down to life outside the EU.
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Go for it Boys and Girls. Split the vote, that'll work.
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Conservative Remain voters will vote Conservative or not bother. Leavers will vote Conservative as long as we leave in accordance with their wishes or switch to UKIP if The government doesn't deliver. The left wing vote is pretty irrelevant to the Conservatives as it's divided amongst one rabble or another. UKIP is the only danger on the horizon for the Conservative vote. With FPTP it could cause all sorts of problems if it hoovers up spiteful Leave voters and win a lot of seats in England. Why the Conservatives are going to come out.
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I don't think for one minute May is going to take too much notice of Sturgeon with 16m leave voters looking over her shoulder. Scotland because they have chosen to elect 59 SNP MPs has made itself an irrelevance to the Conservatives. May in the end will only be interested in satisfying the demands of the majority of Conservative voters who are predominately Leavers and keeping UKIP off her back. Sturgeon is living in cloud cuckoo land if she thinks she can veto anything.
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If they follow your template the Conservatives will be buried by the leave vote switching to UKIP. In the end if we will fail to reach an agreement with the EU, acceptable to the Conservative Leave voters, the Conservatives will see they have run out of time and deeply unpopular with their own supporters will panic faced with losing the 2020 GE and pull the plug on the EU. You lefties will have no effect on the result because it will be people like me that will switch to UKIP. The Conservatives fear this already so your left wing predictions just like The Conservatives not winning the 2015 GE, and Remain winning the referendum are already missing the point. The Leave voters will drive this government out of the EU sooner rather than later on their terms.
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It's not until the final friendly a week before the league start that a proper eleven is picked. Mostly 45mins mix and match before that with everybody getting a go.
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Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary, David Davis Brexit Minister, Liam Fox International Trade, contrary to wishful thinking it sounds like we are about to play hardball with the EU. In the end the neatest solution is no agreement and just walk away. That should concentrate minds at the EU. The Government has no wriggle room, they either get a result or they will lose the next election with UKIP benefiting enormously with the support of a disillusioned leave vote of traditional Conservative and Labour voters. Even a UKIP majority if Labour implode and split.
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There is no point in entering it if we don't use it to give experience of men's football to the academy players.
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Probably a guide to how things will go with the EU is it's failure to close out deals with major countries. The Article 50 is a unique situation for the EU. At the end of two years we are out if we want. The EU can extend it if they want but not if we don't want. Probably so we can get on with our lives we should repeal the 1972 act and take the EU out of our laws. Triggering article 50 and negotiating in parallel with talking to countries that want deals outside the EU. Negotiating with the EU is a two way street and if there is no agreement, which I'm sure there won't be inside two years unless either cave in. The Conservatives can't because a majority of it's voters are for leave. The next election would be a definite loss if they can't satisfy their voters with the outcome. They are totally boxed in. Anything else is wishful thinking.
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Theresa May has one major problem, it may have been overlooked but she can't govern without the Brexit MPs supporting her in Parliament. Therefore we are coming out and it really doesn't matter if we don't have a deal with the EU. It's probably the neatest split anyway. Better to play hard ball if they don't want to deal rather than capitulate as some on here would rather see. I think it is better to be Britain first and the EU wherever they want to be.
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It looks like the Labour party have royally ****ed themselves for the foreseeable future. Can't say I'm sorry, they've been a rabble for too long. probably a couple of parties will come out of this with predictable results. Ukip could do well in the north out of this. Having voted out once, those Labour voters from the last GE might well do the same next time.
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She read out a statement at 1215, Grayling, May's COS made a statement at 1245 ish.