Lord Duckhunter

This is exactly why the vote is being hurried through in June . The manifesto commitment was by the end of 2017 , which would have given Cameron more time to negotiate a decent settlement . He couldn't do that because he wants us in before the shiete hits the fan.

Great post

You're joking right. They're a bunch of establishment pinkos . People like Parris and Aaronovitch are soaking wet centralists .

You're talking nonsense man . You're excluding Abbott & Corbyn, yet picking and choosing your Leave " cretins" . The past week I've heard credible decent arguments for leaving from Digby-Jones ,Dr David Owen , Gisela Stuart , Frank Field, Giles the trendy vicar & Michael Howard . Farage & Galloway will play their part in bringing in certain groups ( and their wives in Galloway's case) , but if you think people wanting to leave are a bunch of golf club bores or loons ,you're going to get a big shock come the glorious day.

QT in my home town tonight . Car crash tv for remain . Abbott & Truss shocking , let's hope we see more of them in the coming months

Rubbish , there should have been one over Masstrict.

Anybody who wants countries like Poland , Bulgaria & Cyprus to decide who receives our benefits , who comes into our country and what we can charge VAT on , is an extremist imo .

Complete nonsense . As we've seen previously , once the EU extremists get a Remain vote ,that's it , regardless of how the EU changes . You only get another vote if you vote the wrong way .

Had somebody said Bulgarians & Poles would have free movement in a future EEC during the last vote , they'd be accused of talking nonsense . It's uncertain as to whether the Turks will join , funny because the Remainians don't like uncertainty . Dave has said his vote is for a lifetime , who can tell what will happen in the next 30, 40 , 50 years .

And will continue to do so , when we leave . my lad lives in Aus , I lived in The US , Cyprus is full of Russians . People lived and worked abroad before the EU. You don't need to be in a political union to live in a foreign country .

So they'll all buy ferry or Eurostar tickets and jump aboard will they ? If it was as easy as that , surely they would get Ryanair or Easy jet tickets and fly in now . Why aren't there migrant camps at Gatwick or Luton ?

Spot on The fact that to get this great deal Dave had to go begging to Poland , Romania & Germany to let us change our benefit rules , proves your point . The Remainians are clinging to nurse too scared to let go of the comfort blanket . Good job this attitude weren't around earlier in our history , otherwise the pilgrim fathers may have only moved to Wiltshire . Nobody can predict the future , will Turkey join the EU in the next 20 years , that would make a pretty unstable future . The only certainty if we stay in , is the certainty that we won't be able to decide who can come and go , who can claim benefits . There will be certainty that that the EU will continue to make domestic policy , continue to tell us what vat we can and can't charge and on what . That sort of certainty is not that of an independent nation .

"The country would be better off if we stayed in " is interesting . How do you measure " better off " ? Increase in GDP per head of population , increase in average earnings , or just the GDP of the country . Labour fought the last election on the idea that we did have growth , but that growth had made the rich rich richer and the poor poorer . They seem unable to accept the same argument for EU membership . Is it possible that the macro figures show we are better off , but vast numbers of our population are worse off . They are having their wages surpressed by too much supply , the fact that BMW's go up in price is hardly going to keep them awake at night . Prosperity is not a black & white issue , there are plenty of shades of grey and it boils down to gut instinct rather than figures . Tony Benn claimed the EU was a rich mans club and it's funny that lefties believe Tories are the devils children , that they will destroy the NHS ,that they do favours for their city buddies , get rich on the backs of the poor, hate the working man , yet believe every single thing they say on the EU . Dave the man who'll sell the family silver , the NHS and crush the poor is working for the good of everyone with his fantastic " deal". Whilst Geoge Galloway , Frank Field , Bob Crow & Tony Benn , who spent their whole lives sticking up for the poor are wrong. Strange days

You can Trade with the EU without accepting free movement of people . Mexico , South Africa , Turkey all have free trade agreements with the EU , can Mexicans turn up without work permits and work , are millions of Turks entitled to move here ?

It's why Corbyn , until he needed to maintain party unity , wanted us out . Surprised anyone on the left can overlook this. The biggest threat to opening up the NHS to American providers is not the Tories , but their beloved EU

Corbyn has been consistent in his approach towards the EU , until he needed to keep his front bench together . He voted to Leave , voted against Maastricht and even talked of leaving during his leadership hustings. If anybody put his career & party before his principles it is him , rather than Boris

Just like Corbyn then .

They will be treated exactly the same as Victor and Mane . We won't be able to treat different nationals differently . Pretty progressive stuff , treating people on the basis of their skills and content of their mind , rather than where they come from

But you'll accept opening up our NHS to American health care providers .

**** me , if Canadians had the same narrow negative outlook as the Remainians on here , it would be a state in the USA .

More harmony from the Remainians as Nicola Sturgeon warns Cameron he " better not campaign in Scotland " .

Not unelected Europeans .

Cameron claims that Corbyn " hates Britain " , Hillary Benn says he won't share a platform with any Tory . Labour ministers claim that Cameron will sell the nhs to his city buddies , The Nats call labour red Tories , Sturgeon is called the most dangerous women in the uk , yet all the lap dog bbc can concentrate on is Leave splits & Farage / Galloway show . Pathetic from the establishment , George & Nigel are life long Leave people , but for entirely different reasons , but they're still consistent , unlike the Mays and Javids of the world . The mayor of London coming onboard shoots a load of Cameron's foxes .

There's also the question off getting the timing through Westminster . The Nats were against a June date because there's Scottish elections in the early summer , they wanted Sept . I also read somewhere that the electrol commission weren't happy with June for the same reason . I guess labour will vote for June & it'll carry , because like Cameron they'll want to go early before the migrant thing kicks off all summer , but it would be interesting if they pushed for a different date just to embarrass Dave. Sept is better for Leave MPs , so the government will be defeated if labour want to do so.

Hopefully that will dawn on some of them because there's no other way they're going to get another referendum anytime soon . Of course the SNP used to be anti EU , until they started to base their answer to the " what will an independent Scotland look like" on The Celtic tiger and EU membership .