Lord Duckhunter

Labour will be forced to go into the election matching the Tory pledge for an in/out referendum, they will not have the nerve to tough it out and not promise one. The lib/dems had one in their last manifesto, so would be strange not to also have that pledge. The establishment don't want one of course, and their get out will a coalition. All establishment parties pledge will be slightly different, and contain the proviso that "they form the next government". Now if you're correct and labour romp to victory, they will be stuck with a 2017 referendum, which will cast a shadow over everything political. Its also a referendum where labour could be on the losing side, its hard to see millliband continuing after backing an IN for economic reasons , only for the public to reject that. I really believe that an outright win at the next election could be a poisoned chalice. There's a lot to play out and its premature to think labour have it in the bag. Not least the independence vote in Scotland, salmond could be the Tory saviour yet . Also the economy could show real signs of recovery by election. And finally there's the prospect of some sort of Ukip / Tory pact, there's no doubt a united right could hang onto power. The real drama will play out in next years European elections, if Ukip top them, then the establishment really will be panicking.

This would be mine, and it was free.

Had Holt banging that Peno in, they might not of been good enough. They were only good enough because we defended better as a unit and played well going forward. When we had games we played poorly in, we couldn't keep sides out. At other times we should have seen the game out but didn't, Stoke away, Wigan away. Until we start nicking games we're average in, we'll never progress. With our present Centre half situation, that isn't going to happen.

Our dead ball situations have been woeful with lallana and Gaston the worst culprits. The only bloke who looks like delivering a decent ball is Fox. We don't play with wingers that get by the full back and whip it in early, we cant deliver a dead ball, and people wonder why Lambert isn't knocking a few more in. Have our centre halves scored this season, have they even got a header on target? We're not Barca, we should be getting more goals from set pieces.

Ken Bates did the same at Chelsea, there was rumours they were days away from admin when he sold up.

But going up through the leagues they had a wage bill way above what they could afford. They would never have won the cup if they hadn't gone through the leagues like that. Same with Fulham, they had KK as manager in Division 3 FFS, did they cheat to get into the Premiership?

Neither did the Skates in 2008. If Wigan go into administration in 2 years time, will they have cheated to win this seasons FA Cup?

There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever, but surely its wrong for the said benefactor to want rules brought in to prevent others following suit. I couldn't give a shiny shiete how Wigan finance themselves, whether they get a loan , whether they over spend or how they run their business, provided its an equal playing field and other clubs are allowed to emulate them. My original point was in answer to the quote that it was great to see them win it fairly and not cheat as the skates did. I merely pointed out that in 2008 the skates were run on a similar basis. In my opinion neither cheated, but saying the skates cheated but Wigan somehow won it in some sort of fairy tale honourable way is nonsense.

They couldn't emulate Wigan because he wanted wages capped at a % of turnover. Going up through the leagues he financed the club enabling them to pay higher wages than the cap he is calling for.

Lets wait and see where Wigan are in 5 years time, if they're skint, in administration and back where a club of their size should be, can we backdate our "cheating " claims to todays win? I've no particulary wish to defend the skates, but I dont see much difference between the skates of 2008 and Wigan today. As for using others money, did man Utd cheat?

I think you are all being a bit harsh on the singers, one of them had a particularly nice pair of tits.

Correct me if im wrong but didn't defrauding the taxman and business happen after the skates cup win. Wasn't gaydamak doing exactly what Whelan is when they won it. I don't understand how one is cheating and one is ok.

The thing about Whelan is he's a grade a hypercrit . He was on Alan sugars programme about football finance bemoaning teams that gambled, that over spent, said wages and debt should be capped and linked to turnover, completely ignoring the fact that had football followed his advise Wigan couldn't have risen through the leagues. Its like he wants to pull the ladder up behind him denying Rochdale, Walsall , brenford and the like the chance to emulate what wihan have done. Then there was him moaning about Sven being appointed " its hindering english managers " he cried " they need a chance" before appointing that well known Englishman Roberto Martinez.

They would still be in division 4 if Dave whelan didnt subsidise their rise through the leagues. Wigan aren't an example of a club living within their means . They're an example of a club that overspent to reach the premiership gambling that once there the tv money could help them balance the books. I'm sure if boscombe take that approach next year , they'll be called the new skates on here.

It will be extremely unlikely that Wigan get more than a point at Arsenal, therefore we are safe even on 39. My worry was always going into Sundays game only a point ahead of the bottom 3, I was worried how that would affect us on the back of 2 defeats. All of a sudden the Sunderland game seems easier, Wigan having blown a 1-0 and 2-1 lead at home , has taken the presure right off us. The big games are now Newcastle - qpr and Norwich -wba , if either of them lose sat, then Wigan have a squeak, if they both pick up 3 points then they're pretty much dead and buried . I just can't see Wigan getting 41 points.

Same here, I let mrs duck sort out the holiday this year and she's ****ed it up. If its an away game I'll end up behind the 8 ball regarding loyalty points and a home game will mean missing a game I've paid for already.

I get annoyed with my mates during the match.They sit to the right of me and I spend the whole game waving at them, even giving them the Gareth bale hand gesture, but they ignore me and pretend they don't know me. It makes me look like I have no friends

One thing I've noticed is how many of their mates they tell that they hate us. Ive lost count the number of other sides supporters I meet , who upon finding out I support Saints tell me about a work mate or mate, who really hates us "scummers" . They seem to want to be defined by how much they hate us. Unfortunately , we seem to be heading in that direction, im pretty sure the majority of saints fans weren't really that bothered about them when I was growing up, the hatred really came from them, I always felt they hated us a load more. Nowadays its pretty much mutual.

That was the first away game I took my little lad to. They played that Chelsea dagger thing after every goal they scored and our lot were making more noise than them, my nipper loved it. He thought it was so funny that we had let a goal in and were going mad by singing and dancing along. Loads of Forest fans spoke to us after the game, and he's never forgotten it. He's 13 now and he still goes on about it.

Exactly, and the Germans living at SW1A 1AA

It wont be VAT that we lose our membership over. It'll be denying the people a vote for so long, unrestricted immigration, pouring people's hard earned money down the drain and our parliament being neutered by unelected foreign bureaucrats.

I would be interested in which franchise dictates to the franchisee how much money they can personally put into the business, and what they can spend it on. If Roman Abramovich invested in a MacDonald's franchise I'm sure they wouldn't start telling him he could only spend x amount of his turnover on his burger flippers. the whole thing is immoral. Why can Man City spend what they like to get amongst the big boys and then vote to deny other clubs that chance. Has FFP rules been in place at the start of the Premiership then Wigan and Fulham would not be in the Premiership to take advantage of them. Because of the date these rules come into effect Bournemouth cant do what Fulham have done, is that really fair? My mate is a Plymouth supporter, if he won the lottery why shouldn't he be able to do a Jack Walker and buy Premiership football for his team?

Perhaps verbal can explain what exactly is wrong with the Farage statement he quoted "Every party changes their policies between general elections… Just because we stood under a different leader in a different general election with a policy of 31 per cent, doesn’t mean that’ll be our policy next time round: it won’t." Or is he trying to say that parties should fight election after election after election with the same tax policy?

The EEC ship sailed a long time ago.

Funny story from Ian Ridley on talksport today. Said as a young reporter he asked for an interview with Fergie, he had never met him before but Fergie agreed to meet him on Monday morning at 7am. Ridley turned up and made some comment about how early it was. Fergie said "I get to work at 6.30 every day, I don't need much sleep". Ridley making polite conversation said "a bit like Maggie Thatcher then". To which Fergie lost it, went red and shouted at him "do NOT compare me to that bloody woman"