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Alternatively we have taken 3 points off of teams that we needed to in order to avoid relegation and to put them in further trouble.

Was one of the first midfield players to score goals by arriving late in the box, or ghosting in as it was called then. I used to play in the back four in the early days when playing football but eventually moved into midfield and copied players like Peters style, then later John Walk. England under Alf Ramsey was a very difficult team to beat. Martin Peters was a big part of the team during that period. Terrific footballer. RIP

I have called him out when he has had a pop at me, which he has done on a number of occasions. I am sure you and Wes are old enough to fight your own battles.

I don’t think you can accuse managers by the jobs they lose. Even the best managers get sacked. The vast majority of mangers still find jobs are are constantly recycled.

If you get grief from one poster and want to give it back that is your choice. It doesn’t give you the right to hurl childish insults to everyone else who doesn’t agree to you. It is not hypocrisy and cant. If you behave like an arse you have to expect to get called on it.

I guess not. Just read a report about the doorstep abuse that candidates of all parties have received in this election. Aren’t we supposed to be a tolerant country. Seems that we are getting nastier by the day. Did you see Johnson yesterday? When caught out looking at his phone his reply was well say something interesting. Little wonder that basic decency goes out of the window when you have people like him and Trump behaving the way they do. Wes seems to be taking his lead from Boris.

Lol. How do you know? That is just your projection as it is what you do. If I had been on the winning side I would have been quietly relieved and got on with life. This isn’t a game. This is about our future and our children’s future. My children all want to remain in the EU. They are gutted over the result and they are gutted that we will 5 more years of Johnson. Still, so long as you are happy...

If there is one thing worse than a bad loser it’s a bad winner. Give it a rest Wes.

It has started already. Keir Starmer has not confirmed that he is standing for leader of the Labour Party yet but already the ever odious Sun has started to smear him. Apparently now it is enough to say that you had working class parents and then going to university and becoming a QC. What a crime.

Good job Neil Shipperley wasn’t helping him with the gardening!

Quiet day Wes?

Quite right. It comes to something when our racists can’t even tell someone to go back to the right country!

He was always on the TV in the 60’s and 70’s. Very versatile entertainer. I was stood next to him for a while at The Who gig at The Valley many years ago. 81 so a pretty good innings. RIP Kenny.

“Played” is the perfect word Duckie. We have all been “played.”

Because you have to have mountains of money and a large boat to be a happy and fulfilled human being? No wonder so many of us are bitter and twisted.

You wouldn’t have a good word to say about Clegg if he had sided with Labour. And for someone whose party has been led by political pygmies Cameron, May and Johnson and several others before, your criticism is a bit hollow.

I would have said Jo Swinson but in reality I think Clegg did for the LibDems when he allowed the Tories to run the country. That was it for me and, I suspect, many others. There was an interesting a article in The Guardian the other day by Simon Jenkins who was basically saying that the LibDems have had it and should call it a day. Hard to argue with that given their present position in the current electoral system. He suggests that they should join forces with Labour to provide a modern centrist party. To me this basic plan has a lot of merit, but a lot depends on the direction of Labour under a new leader. If they reign in some of their far left leanings but resist the urge to become New Labour 2 they might be able to keep the support of the younger more radical followers whilst winning back the disaffected older voters. Whether they can find enough common ground with the LibDems remains to be seen, but the LibDems have made their position pretty much redundant. Thoughts?

Whilst we are talking about democracy, how democratic was it for Johnson to throw a bunch of democratically elected MPs out of their own party?

You are right, we didn’t vote to join. In 1975 we had a democratic vote to stay in. A democratic vote.

You might have a low opinion of Liberals Wes but constantly calling them dumb isn’t helpful. As for not being democratic, isn’t part of the process giving a voice to what you believe in? If they had of won a working majority on the main point of their manifesto they would have won the democratic right to stop Brexit. We had a vote to join the EU years ago, is it undemocratic to overturn that vote now? Farage made it perfectly clear that he would have continued the fight to leave if the vote had been reversed. You and the other Brexiteers on here would be posting everyday calling for another vote. There is no right or wrong on this issue but both sides of the argument clearly feel very strongly about what they think is best for the country and those feelings and beliefs aren’t going to vanish overnight. Whilst there was still hope to stop it or to at least go for a second referendum, you can’t blame remainers for fighting their corner. If the situation was reversed I would expect you would feel the same. Still, it is done now and you have won the war. Perhaps we can re-engage in the argument in 20 years time when another generation try to rejoin the EU?

You are probably right Euro! Although it would be a very boring world if we all agreed about everything. I’d just settle for proportional representation right now

What’s your definition of a “lefty” then Wes?

Alkmaar beat Ajax 1-0. Joint top of the league.

Clasie lines up at centre half against Ajax?? Still 0-0.