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I am not a member of the Labour Party, but I find it hard to believe that anyone in the party would rather just take the Putney seat than win the General Election.

Just trying to lighten the mood Whelk.

If nothing else we have discovered that, as a party leader, it is better to be Islamophobic than anti-Semitic.

We have been discussing electoral reform on here for years.

I don’t know what is more depressing. 5 more years of Tory policies or 5 more years of Wes’s inane posts.

I wasn’t suggesting that they should. But why the rush? It isn’t going to make the slightest bit of difference to the party if he stays a it longer whilst they sort themselves out. He will go soon enough. I’m more concerned about what happens when he does.

I admire your optimism Nick but I don’t share it. Johnson has removed many moderates and his front bench is very poor, as is he. His strength is as a front man and it is a worry as to who will be pulling the strings. As for Corbyn, whatever you think of him, Labour’s plans were far better for most of us than Tories thin manifesto. Working in coalition with the LibDems they could have made a decent fist of repairing the damage done to the country in the last decade. I feel most disappointed for my 3 children though. They are all in their early 20’s and were desperate to see a change of Government and more hope for the future. All we can hope for now is that both Labour and the LibDems sort themselves out and form a decent opposition so that we have something to look forward to in 5 years time.

They could do a lot worse than go for Keir Starmer as their next leader. A very bright man, but not hugely charismatic. With his background he would also make an excellent Home Secretary. I think they are right to wait a while though. Major decisions are never best made in knee jerk reaction mode and they need some time to work out what type of Labour Party they want to be. To be an effective opposition they need someone they can unite behind and it was clear Corbyn was never trusted by the Blairites. F*** it up now and we could be stuck with the Tory’s for the next decade.

So much for “the will of the people.”

If you want to describe yourself as a blinkered thicko don’t let me stop you. If you can’t see how divided the country is that is your problem.

You get what you vote for. Theresa May herself said not that long ago that the Tories were in danger of turning into the Nasty Party and that is exactly what has happened. By draining the swamp as Duckie keeps saying, all of the reasonable stuff has gone and we are now left with a few fat toads. You only have to look at the reaction by the rabid right on here to see why a Tory landslide was feared.

And we end up with Trump and Johnson.

This post, along with all of your others, shows just how blinkered you are. If you can’t see how divided the country is you clearly do not leave your front door every day.

I can’t speak for other lapsed LibDems but they lost my vote and trust when they allowed the Tories into power. It wasn’t that long ago that they were being squeezed out by Labour and the Tories in the battle for the centre ground. Now they have lost a lot of credibility and the country seems to be moving further right and becoming more nationalistic. They probably need to rebrand and reboot themselves try too hoover up some moderate Torys and Labour people and do something radical to shake off the mistrust of the coalition period. Corbyn was beaten before he started. The massed ranks of the right wing media had done for him years before his campaign even started. Labour policies were popular. He was not. What can you say about Johnson? It was depressing enough when we voted to leave but to vote this chancer in with a working majority is sheer madness. The first FB post I read this morning was from a neighbour saying that she was ashamed of this country this morning. That was before I had checked the result so not the best start to the day. It didn’t come as a major surprise as the Get Brexit Done mantra did for Johnson what Make America Great Again did for Trump. If the Jews were worried about their future under Labour, those who voted to keep Johnson out should fear for their future under the Tories. Still, on the plus side it will be interesting to watch Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Raab, Patel, Hancock etc. grapple with the complexities of Getting Brexit Done and keeping the Union together. Rather than bringing the country together, this result feels like it is more divided than ever. I am now going to sit back and watch Johnson unleash our potential.

If you think we will not be in serious trouble if we wake up with Johnson as PM with a working majority tomorrow you really haven’t been paying attention over the last decade.

That’s actually very funny Duckie. Thanks for the laugh.

That’s good Whelk, it will take your mind off the years of depression to come

Oh?

I’m with you. Too many people can’t be bothered. They need to be.

You may be right, but if she wanted to bail out completely why not find someone who could?

Yes, you would assume that she carried out due diligence but none of us really know what she based her decision on. If she just wanted to sell up, take the money and bail I don’t understand why she has retained an interest in the club.

We all laughed at the Americans when they voted Trump in. If you vote a Conservative the rest of the world will be laughing at us.

If you want our own version of Trump as Prime Minister and want more of the same for the next 5 years. Vote tactically to ensure that this idiot does not get voted in and that we have a real chance of change and a better society. This election campaign has shown you exactly what kind of lying, feckless, spineless, bottle job Johnson is. He could even face up to Andrew Neil and Trump will make mincemeat of him in any trade negotiations.

Apparently he was also not convinced by man made climate change. Another downside is he gave Lenny Henry a career on Tiswas. Still, a very interesting character.