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    I've got to say I am really disappointed to be seeing the back of that Jo Swinson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    No matter what soggy, Shurlock and co believe, brexit is still wanted by the majority.

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    I don't agree. Tory voters on either side of the Brexit debate were always going to vote for Boris, add to them Labour leavers voting for "Get Brexit Done" either by switching to the Tories or voting for Nige, and you only need a reatively small number rejecting Corbyn to end up with this result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    I don't agree. Tory voters on either side of the Brexit debate were always going to vote for Boris, add to them Labour leavers voting for "Get Brexit Done" either by switching to the Tories or voting for Nige, and you only need a reatively small number rejecting Corbyn to end up with this result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Not sure where the 80% comes from, and the 68% was a vote for FPTP against a non-proportional voting system that neither Labour or Conservative supported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    Not sure where the 80% comes from, and the 68% was a vote for FPTP against a non-proportional voting system that neither Labour or Conservative supported.
    Indeed- the Labour Party did not have leaving the SM and Customs Union in their manifesto in 2017.

    Weird that on a day that they've had such a comprehensive victory there is still a need for the likes of Littlewood to lie and still go on about betrayal. You've won, lads. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    Not sure where the 80% comes from, and the 68% was a vote for FPTP against a non-proportional voting system that neither Labour or Conservative supported.
    Come on, loser, when are you going to consent to the fact that it is over for you remoaners?

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    Soubry, Grieve, Wollaston, Lee, all seeking new jobs. Wonderful news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    Weird that on a day that they've had such a comprehensive victory there is still a need for the likes of Littlewood to lie and still go on about betrayal.
    It's so ingrained into their DNA that they can't stop themselves.

    So many Labour turkeys voting for a Brexit Christmas. I wonder what else in the Tory manifesto persuaded them to go blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Come on, loser, when are you going to consent to the fact that it is over for you remoaners?
    So, if remain had won the referendum, would you have meekly kept shtum and accepted that "for you the war is over" ? We now wait with baited breath to see what form Brexit will take, and I guarantee that it won't satisfy all of the leavers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Soubry, Grieve, Wollaston, Lee, all seeking new jobs. Wonderful news.
    Quite telling how you, Batman, Hypo,LD get real joy from people losing their seats. No graciousness and truly the nasty party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Quite telling how you, Batman, Hypo,LD get real joy from people losing their seats. No graciousness and truly the nasty party.
    7.4/10

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    Labour fella on BBC banging on about them having the greatest ever manifesto. Yeah thatís what it was

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwaysaint View Post
    Have to feel a bit for the Libdems with how hard it is for them to really make any ground. They had the biggest percentage leap in votes of all major parties. Their total proportion of the vote was over 11%, which would give them plenty of seats under PR, but under FPTP, it manages to translate into a disastrous result with a loss of their leader and a seat.

    I wonder if they'll ever be a significant force in politics again.
    I canít speak for other lapsed LibDems but they lost my vote and trust when they allowed the Tories into power. It wasnít that long ago that they were being squeezed out by Labour and the Tories in the battle for the centre ground. Now they have lost a lot of credibility and the country seems to be moving further right and becoming more nationalistic. They probably need to rebrand and reboot themselves try too hoover up some moderate Torys and Labour people and do something radical to shake off the mistrust of the coalition period.

    Corbyn was beaten before he started. The massed ranks of the right wing media had done for him years before his campaign even started. Labour policies were popular. He was not.

    What can you say about Johnson? It was depressing enough when we voted to leave but to vote this chancer in with a working majority is sheer madness.

    The first FB post I read this morning was from a neighbour saying that she was ashamed of this country this morning. That was before I had checked the result so not the best start to the day. It didnít come as a major surprise as the Get Brexit Done mantra did for Johnson what Make America Great Again did for Trump.

    If the Jews were worried about their future under Labour, those who voted to keep Johnson out should fear for their future under the Tories.

    Still, on the plus side it will be interesting to watch Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Raab, Patel, Hancock etc. grapple with the complexities of Getting Brexit Done and keeping the Union together.

    Rather than bringing the country together, this result feels like it is more divided than ever.

    I am now going to sit back and watch Johnson unleash our potential.

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    With more nationalists than unionists in power in NI, and SNP hoovering up in Scotland, I assume we can all agree that an independence vote and a vote on a United Ireland is now the democratic and right thing to do?

    This election has confirmed that England is miles apart politically from the rest of the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Quite telling how you, Batman, Hypo,LD get real joy from people losing their seats. No graciousness and truly the nasty party.
    I think it's great. They've spent years now spitting in the face of people who voted to leave and having behind closed doors meetings to thwart brexit. They deserve to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    I canít speak for other lapsed LibDems but they lost my vote and trust when they allowed the Tories into power. It wasnít that long ago that they were being squeezed out by Labour and the Tories in the battle for the centre ground. Now they have lost a lot of credibility and the country seems to be moving further right and becoming more nationalistic. They probably need to rebrand and reboot themselves try too hoover up some moderate Torys and Labour people and do something radical to shake off the mistrust of the coalition period.

    Corbyn was beaten before he started. The massed ranks of the right wing media had done for him years before his campaign even started. Labour policies were popular. He was not.

    What can you say about Johnson? It was depressing enough when we voted to leave but to vote this chancer in with a working majority is sheer madness.

    The first FB post I read this morning was from a neighbour saying that she was ashamed of this country this morning. That was before I had checked the result so not the best start to the day. It didnít come as a major surprise as the Get Brexit Done mantra did for Johnson what Make America Great Again did for Trump.

    If the Jews were worried about their future under Labour, those who voted to keep Johnson out should fear for their future under the Tories.

    Still, on the plus side it will be interesting to watch Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Raab, Patel, Hancock etc. grapple with the complexities of Getting Brexit Done and keeping the Union together.

    Rather than bringing the country together, this result feels like it is more divided than ever.

    I am now going to sit back and watch Johnson unleash our potential.
    Looks like all those pages of posts about how horrendous and awful Johnson was failed to resonate. Not sure you had your finger on the pulse of the electorate the way you thought you did. Twitter and your Facebook feed isn't real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    I think it's great. They've spent years now spitting in the face of people who voted to leave and having behind closed doors meetings to thwart brexit. They deserve to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwaysaint View Post
    Have to feel a bit for the Libdems with how hard it is for them to really make any ground. They had the biggest percentage leap in votes of all major parties. Their total proportion of the vote was over 11%, which would give them plenty of seats under PR, but under FPTP, it manages to translate into a disastrous result with a loss of their leader and a seat.

    I wonder if they'll ever be a significant force in politics again.
    Iím afraid thatís what you get when you blatantly defy the will of the people !

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurosaint View Post
    I’m afraid that’s what you get when you blatantly defy the will of the people !
    Ah, "the will of the people". A phrase widely used by Josef Goebbels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Looks like all those pages of posts about how horrendous and awful Johnson was failed to resonate. Not sure you had your finger on the pulse of the electorate the way you thought you did. Twitter and your Facebook feed isn't real life.
    Is interesting how people seem devastated and shocked as seemed to be thinking cos their social media mates think like them everyone else thinks the same way.
    I knew would be Tory landslide so had prepared myself. Banging on about NHS sell off hardly resonated. Useless fckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Apparently because Jeremy Corbyn is worse. Go figure.
    I think that's now beyond doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Is interesting how people seem devastated and shocked as seemed to be thinking cos their social media mates think like them everyone else thinks the same way.
    I knew would be Tory landslide so had prepared myself. Banging on about NHS sell off hardly resonated. Useless fckers.
    Good post. I think when we look back at this the social media factor and how it doesn't tally with the result will be one of the most interesting things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    I think it's great. They've spent years now spitting in the face of people who voted to leave and having behind closed doors meetings to thwart brexit. They deserve to lose.
    As if Whelk would have been feeling any sympathy at all had Johnson, Raab, IDS lost their seats

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    Ah, "the will of the people". A phrase widely used by Josef Goebbels.
    A principle widely ignored by remoaners !

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurosaint View Post
    A principle widely ignored by remoaners !
    Yet Farage said that if the referendum had gone 52/48 for remain, that would not have been the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Good post. I think when we look back at this the social media factor and how it doesn't tally with the result will be one of the most interesting things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    As if Whelk would have been feeling any sympathy at all had Johnson, Raab, IDS lost their seats
    Unemployment isnít funny Wes

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Good post. I think when we look back at this the social media factor and how it doesn't tally with the result will be one of the most interesting things.
    Bugger social media, why is it that throughout the campaign the only people who knocked on our door to canvass opinion were the Jehovah's Witnesses ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Unemployment isn’t funny Wes
    Senior MPs who lose their seats do not end up unemployed, and quite often end up earning far more than they did at Westminster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Boris played a blinder


    Will remainers finally accept that the brexit issue must move forward?

    4th vote on the bounce where the brexit message wins.

    Brexit is going ahead (as Iíve always said it should) but we donít know if there is a majority for it in the country. Your lot has repeatedly bottled the chance to get a direct, unambiguous answer on the question. And for good reason given that second referendum/remain parties won an overwhelming share of yesterdayís vote. FACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    Bugger social media, why is it that throughout the campaign the only people who knocked on our door to canvass opinion were the Jehovah's Witnesses ?
    There's very clearly a load of Labour voters who thought they were going to do much better because they have wrapped themselves in their social media echo chambers. They are now shocked because it didn't go the way all their associates were telling them it would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    I canít speak for other lapsed LibDems but they lost my vote and trust when they allowed the Tories into power. It wasnít that long ago that they were being squeezed out by Labour and the Tories in the battle for the centre ground. Now they have lost a lot of credibility and the country seems to be moving further right and becoming more nationalistic. They probably need to rebrand and reboot themselves try too hoover up some moderate Torys and Labour people and do something radical to shake off the mistrust of the coalition period.

    Corbyn was beaten before he started. The massed ranks of the right wing media had done for him years before his campaign even started. Labour policies were popular. He was not.

    What can you say about Johnson? It was depressing enough when we voted to leave but to vote this chancer in with a working majority is sheer madness.

    The first FB post I read this morning was from a neighbour saying that she was ashamed of this country this morning. That was before I had checked the result so not the best start to the day. It didnít come as a major surprise as the Get Brexit Done mantra did for Johnson what Make America Great Again did for Trump.

    If the Jews were worried about their future under Labour, those who voted to keep Johnson out should fear for their future under the Tories.

    Still, on the plus side it will be interesting to watch Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Raab, Patel, Hancock etc. grapple with the complexities of Getting Brexit Done and keeping the Union together.

    Rather than bringing the country together, this result feels like it is more divided than ever.

    I am now going to sit back and watch Johnson unleash our potential.
    Oh dear, Soggy. You were the most shrill of all the remoaners on here about how unbearable it would be having Johnson continuing as PM, without much concern about how bad the alternative would be. As you say, it will be interesting to watch those you name in the Conservative Party grappling with Brexit and UK unity, but at least now they have a clear mandate from the electorate and the anti-democrat remoaners like you have been put firmly back in their box. Saying that the country is more divided now with a strong majority party in control compared with a hung parliament is just typical of your bizarre thought processes.

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    Being back in the UK for this election has been fascinating. The parallels with the USA's last election are scarily similar.

    Chattering classes in the 'bubble' (London/DC) being essentially condescending to the wider public by indicating only they know best, disaffected voters in working class areas with little to no hope voting for change. Add in the media luvvies ramming their high minded opinions down peoples throats while living it up with their massive salaries and the snowflakes on social media believing social media is the be all and end all (hint: people gravitate to like minded people so these little bubbles are nothing more than that).

    As in the US the silent majority took their revenge at the polls.

    And whether you like him or loathe him Cummings ran a fantastic campaign (albeit against 2 of the biggest losers imaginable).

    Democracy wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    And for good reason given that second referendum/remain parties won an overwhelming share of yesterday’s vote. FACT.
    The Will of the People ? 30% of the electorate voted for Boris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Oh dear, Soggy. You were the most shrill of all the remoaners on here about how unbearable it would be having Johnson continuing as PM, without much concern about how bad the alternative would be. As you say, it will be interesting to watch those you name in the Conservative Party grappling with Brexit and UK unity, but at least now they have a clear mandate from the electorate and the anti-democrat remoaners like you have been put firmly back in their box. Saying that the country is more divided now with a strong majority party in control compared with a hung parliament is just typical of your bizarre thought processes.
    This post, along with all of your others, shows just how blinkered you are. If you can’t see how divided the country is you clearly do not leave your front door every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Brexit is going ahead (as Iíve always said it should) but we donít know if there is a majority for it in the country. Your lot has repeatedly bottled the chance to get a direct, unambiguous answer on the question. And for good reason given that second referendum/remain parties won an overwhelming share of the vote. FACT.

    How are you Gavyn, this bright and sunny morning? Is that the best argument you can advance? Feebly clutching at straws and whining about how unfair it all was that the parties who deigned to ignore the referendum vote were punished by voters in their constituencies. For somebody who is always right, you seem to have miscalculated rather badly this time. Just as a matter of interest, who did you vote for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by washsaint View Post
    Being back in the UK for this election has been fascinating. The parallels with the USA's last election are scarily similar.

    Chattering classes in the 'bubble' (London/DC) being essentially condescending to the wider public by indicating only they know best, disaffected voters in working class areas with little to no hope voting for change. Add in the media luvvies ramming their high minded opinions down peoples throats while living it up with their massive salaries and the snowflakes on social media believing social media is the be all and end all (hint: people gravitate to like minded people so these little bubbles are nothing more than that).

    As in the US the silent majority took their revenge at the polls.

    And whether you like him or loathe him Cummings ran a fantastic campaign (albeit against 2 of the biggest losers imaginable).

    Democracy wins.
    And we end up with Trump and Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurosaint View Post
    I’m afraid that’s what you get when you blatantly defy the will of the people !
    You mean about Brexit? Well, I think the 52% in favour of Brexit were pretty well represented, so it's not exactly an awful thing to say you'll stand for 48% of the country, that's a group that are going to want some representation and it's not undemocratic to say that they are the people you want to stand for. It's not as if they ever expected to be targeting a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    This post, along with all of your others, shows just how blinkered you are. If you canít see how divided the country is you clearly do not leave your front door every day.
    I wish that I had your clarity of thought and understanding of how you think the country ought to have voted if they weren't blinkered thickos who don't get out enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    This post, along with all of your others, shows just how blinkered you are. If you canít see how divided the country is you clearly do not leave your front door every day.
    It's the height of hilarity that you of all people would accuse someone of being blinkered considering how you've been acting throughout the entirety of this election campaign. Pipe down, get some self reflection and get out of your social media echo chamber because you clearly aren't as smart as you think you are. You've been dealt a crushing defeat, learn to deal with it.

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    Has anybody added up all the remain party votes yet? Did they win again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    How are you Gavyn, this bright and sunny morning? Is that the best argument you can advance? Feebly clutching at straws and whining about how unfair it all was that the parties who deigned to ignore the referendum vote were punished by voters in their constituencies. For somebody who is always right, you seem to have miscalculated rather badly this time. Just as a matter of interest, who did you vote for?
    It’s just an observation as John Curtice and other commentators pointed out. So much for the idiosyncrasies of FPTP and an election that inevitably mixed myriad other issues because Brexiters didn’t have the bottle to put the question directly back to the people. Anyway it’s all moot now (as it has been since 2016). I voted tactically Les because I have no real party allegiances. I’m fine. Someone as skilled and mobile as me has always been fine pal. I’m just perplexed by the s**tshow that’s about to come, though on one level oddly upbeat as there is no more hiding place for the Brexiters to deliver. And if you (and other chumps) can read, I’ve always been more focused on the costs and trade-offs of Brexit, not the politics per se. In the end, reality always wins.
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    You get what you vote for. Theresa May herself said not that long ago that the Tories were in danger of turning into the Nasty Party and that is exactly what has happened. By draining the swamp as Duckie keeps saying, all of the reasonable stuff has gone and we are now left with a few fat toads. You only have to look at the reaction by the rabid right on here to see why a Tory landslide was feared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    I wish that I had your clarity of thought and understanding of how you think the country ought to have voted if they weren't blinkered thickos who don't get out enough.
    If you want to describe yourself as a blinkered thicko don’t let me stop you. If you can’t see how divided the country is that is your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    The Will of the People ? 30% of the electorate voted for Boris.
    43.6%
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2019/results

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    If you want to describe yourself as a blinkered thicko donít let me stop you. If you canít see how divided the country is that is your problem.
    Cheer up. #classicdom

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurosaint View Post
    The combined total of the Tories and Brexit party vote share was 45.6%

    The combined total of the Labour, LD, SNP and Green vote share was 50.3%

    FPTP really does f*cking suck, doesn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    The combined total of the Tories and Brexit party vote share was 45.6%

    The combined total of the Labour, LD, SNP and Green vote share was 50.3%

    FPTP really does f*cking suck, doesn't it.
    So much for “the will of the people.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    The combined total of the Tories and Brexit party vote share was 45.6%

    The combined total of the Labour, LD, SNP and Green vote share was 50.3%

    FPTP really does f*cking suck, doesn't it.
    Yes. And the Tories knew that which is why they were desperate to have an election and avoid another referendum. To say this election demonstrates that the will of the people is clearly Leave simply isn't correct. The country is just as split as it was a month ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    The combined total of the Tories and Brexit party vote share was 45.6%

    The combined total of the Labour, LD, SNP and Green vote share was 50.3%

    FPTP really does f*cking suck, doesn't it.
    I don’t get your point. It was an election, not an EU ref.

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