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Oh s###. There is another big lump to go back on the wage bill. I doubt that is what the club needs at present.Nobody will come in for him until the last moment and so we will have to carry his wages for a couple of months.

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Oh s###. There is another big lump to go back on the wage bill. I doubt that is what the club needs at present.Nobody will come in for him until the last moment and so we will have to carry his wages for a couple of months.

 

I'd love it if he stayed and our new £100million plus owner could pay his wages! Real moral booster. A man and a goal scorer... he'd destroy League 1.

 

Nice statement of ambition and intent if we can keep him.

 

Also says Sagga is coming back! :)

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I'd love it if he stayed and our new £100million plus owner could pay his wages! Real moral booster. A man and a goal scorer... he'd destroy League 1.

 

Nice statement of ambition and intent if we can keep him.

 

Also says Sagga is coming back! :)

i suggest that if he stays it is because nobody else will pay his contract, nothing more than that
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Oh s###. There is another big lump to go back on the wage bill. I doubt that is what the club needs at present.Nobody will come in for him until the last moment and so we will have to carry his wages for a couple of months.

 

Do you know his current wages and what clauses were in his contract about relegation?

 

No? then do shut up.

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With Lynam stating the client in the Pinnacle bid is worth 'hundreds of millions' we should be alright like SaintRobbie said, but it's whether or not people like Rasiak and Saga want to stay and play in League One. It's my guess they will be wanting to play Championship at least because they are involved in the Poland squad and they will be pushing for World Cup call ups next year. Only time can tell now I guess..

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Do you know his current wages and what clauses were in his contract about relegation?

 

No? then do shut up.

 

A bit harsh from a mod! I think he was making a good point. Rasiak was signed on very high wages when we got him in our first season in the CCC. Far too high for a L1 to support. Given that Rasiak's stock has fallen in the interviening time period it would be very likely that no CCC club would want to pay him what we are. In which case no wonder he is turning up with a smile on his face for pre-season fitness assessment. He may well turn into our very own Winston Bogarde.

 

Given that we were a freshly relegated Prem team when we signed Rasiak I would assume there is not a chance in hell that a clause in his contract being added to cover the eventuality of relegation to L1.

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Oh s###. There is another big lump to go back on the wage bill. I doubt that is what the club needs at present.Nobody will come in for him until the last moment and so we will have to carry his wages for a couple of months.

 

Well if his goals get us back to the championship it will be worth the wages imo.

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A bit harsh from a mod! I think he was making a good point. Rasiak was signed on very high wages when we got him in our first season in the CCC. Far too high for a L1 to support. Given that Rasiak's stock has fallen in the interviening time period it would be very likely that no CCC club would want to pay him what we are. In which case no wonder he is turning up with a smile on his face for pre-season fitness assessment. He may well turn into our very own Winston Bogarde.

 

Given that we were a freshly relegated Prem team when we signed Rasiak I would assume there is not a chance in hell that a clause in his contract being added to cover the eventuality of relegation to L1.

 

Why not? Knowing Lowe he probably thought 'best be safe than sorry' knowing our finances were a lot worse following relegation from the premiership. Remember Lowe never took a gamble with money.

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Only nickh could make having a 20+ a season goal scorer in your side look bad while having a nipper barely scrapping 10 from 46 games look good :)

 

Seriously though he wont be staying. He is a proven striker with an almost 1 goal every 2 games ratio. He scored 8 goals from 12 starts last season at Watford, if he did not get injured he probably would of got more. Someone will come in for him its just a question of how much. If however our new owners have cash to spend and can get his wages down, maybe performance bonus' rather then a massive weekly wage then he could be vital for our push back to ccc. Leicester had big holding type strikers like Howard etc. We have nobody in that mould here. So Rasiak could fit in well. One thing is for sure it matters not how talented the players are, what matters is they will try in every game for the cause, have pride in wearing the shirt. In my view the fans have been somewhat out of order with Rasiak. We signed him at a time when we were meant to be going back to the prem league. It is not his fault he is on his contract. If someone came to you and said right we want you to work the same hours but for half the pay i doubt you would happily accept that. He is a good footballer with a good record but our club is probably now not in a position to attract players of his caliber.

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I'm a bit confused by these Saga and Rasiak stories which keep appearing on the OS. I'm trying to figure out the club's motivation for this and can't come up with anything other than they are reporting the news.

 

I guess after last summer's abysmal treatment of the senior players, I was expecting headlines like, "Euell cannot be arsed", "Wright-Phillips born in Pompey", and "Saga cruel to baby animals" to try and discredit them.

 

It would be great if we got taken over by someone with the collateral to keep these guys. I also think we could comfortably afford them without much investment, if we tell Euell and BWP to take a hike and Davis leaves/takes a wage cut.

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Only nickh could make having a 20+ a season goal scorer in your side look bad while having a nipper barely scrapping 10 from 46 games look good :)

 

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How many did Rasiak score last season?

The problem with so many on here is that they dont know what a budget means. No wonder we as a nation is so heavily burdened with debt.

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and I suggest if he stays he'll bang loads of goals in! :) YIPEEEE!

If he stays he will have to, to justify his high wages.I doubt there has been a club that has played in L1 football that that has a fanbase that believes they can afford players on high wages...until us of course

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How many did Rasiak score last season?

The problem with so many on here is that they dont know what a budget means. No wonder we as a nation is so heavily burdened with debt.

 

Yeah but you are assuming the existing budget - well non existent budget - not the one we may be about to see through MLT and Pinnacle.

 

If I was MLT as Director of Football I would be convincing the owners to keep all our best players... and MLT seems to be convincing them well thus far.

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Yeah but you are assuming the existing budget - well non existent budget - not the one we may be about to see through MLT and Pinnacle.

 

Robbie I havent seen much meat to the Pinnacle plan but I thought it was generally accepted that we have to stand on our own 2 feet. i doubt that there will be a pot of gold.Id love to be wrong as i want to see a successful team again

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If he stays he will have to, to justify his high wages.I doubt there has been a club that has played in L1 football that that has a fanbase that believes they can afford players on high wages...until us of course

 

I would wager there have been a fair share of players in league one on £10k a week or more over the last 5 years.

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I would wager there have been a fair share of players in league one on £10k a week or more over the last 5 years.

Really? I will accept that MM subsidised Leicester but I thought Leeds got rid of all their high earners.

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How many did Rasiak score last season?

The problem with so many on here is that they dont know what a budget means. No wonder we as a nation is so heavily burdened with debt.

 

10 in 25 games (many as a sub)

 

If he had played in 50, like DMG, then in theory...

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How many did Rasiak score last season?

The problem with so many on here is that they dont know what a budget means. No wonder we as a nation is so heavily burdened with debt.

 

How many did he score in our playoff season? (20 and he spent the second half of the season on the bench to make way for Saga) Also we are now talking about league one.

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10 in 25 games (many as a sub)

 

If he had played in 50, like DMG, then in theory...

 

A very good record for a player who was used as a target man for a long ball game. If you use him properly, with wingers who can cross and centre mids who can pick out a through ball, then he will score more. As was proved when he had Bale/Skacel/Belmadi whipping balls in and Surman/Guthrie picking out the passes during 06/07.

AND let us not forget that he was dropped for pretty much the whole of the second half of that season, for some bizarre reason which Burley never fully explained.

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How many did he score in our playoff season? (20) Also we are now talking about league one
that was 3seasons ago, hes no spring chicken, but to me its not about his goalscoring it is a case of the club working to its budget.When we have the takeover and the new owner stats to show real intent my concerns will be allayed but until the some will be very disappointed if they think we are going into a new golden age.
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In theory, or guessing. With us supplying the ammo????

 

Ok, I'll open another can of stats on your ass. (metaphorically)

 

DMG - 127 shots - 13 goals

Rasiak - 45 shots - 10 goals

 

As someone else has pointed out, Rasiak was used as a big lump in a mainly long ball game at Watford. His own chances would have been somewhat limited. If he'd been in our side with that conversion ratio, he'd theoretically have scored 28 goals from 127 efforts.

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Ok, I'll open another can of stats on your ass. (metaphorically)

 

DMG - 127 shots - 13 goals

Rasiak - 45 shots - 10 goals

 

As someone else has pointed out, Rasiak was used as a big lump in a mainly long ball game at Watford. His own chances would have been somewhat limited. If he'd been in our side with that conversion ratio, he'd have scored 28 goals from 127 efforts.

 

Rasiak played upfront

 

McGoldrick played a large amount of games either behind Euell and Saga or on the right side.

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Ok, I'll open another can of stats on your ass. (metaphorically)

 

DMG - 127 shots - 13 goals

Rasiak - 45 shots - 10 goals

 

As someone else has pointed out, Rasiak was used as a big lump in a mainly long ball game at Watford. If he'd been in our side with that conversion ratio, he'd have scored 28 goals.

So DMG (I dont know why the 2 are being compared) had just under 3 attempts per game and Rasiak had less than 2. Rasiak obviously more prolific, I wonderwhat his stats were when he was 21. Rasiak is a depreciating asset DMG will become worth more as time goes on.It is a balance to work out whether DMG's experience last season will help this.Rasiak is getting older and definately does not want to play for us in this league.I doubt he is worth the money , but IMO of course.

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So DMG (I dont know why the 2 are being compared) had just under 3 attempts per game and Rasiak had less than 2. Rasiak obviously more prolific, I wonderwhat his stats were when he was 21. Rasiak is a depreciating asset DMG will become worth more as time goes on.It is a balance to work out whether DMG's experience last season will help this.Rasiak is getting older and definately does not want to play for us in this league.I doubt he is worth the money , but IMO of course.

 

You're really still clinging onto 'assets' as we find ourselves in league 1?

 

Rasiak is much better than DMG IMO.

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that was 3seasons ago, hes no spring chicken, but to me its not about his goalscoring it is a case of the club working to its budget.When we have the takeover and the new owner stats to show real intent my concerns will be allayed but until the some will be very disappointed if they think we are going into a new golden age.

 

I don't think anyone has stated he is staying it's just we are hoping he stays. As for a new golden age surely any new owners will target promotion in order to secure better revenue, for that reason it's better to secure a proven goalscorer and although he is no spring chicken we are in a lower league. If he is used correctly he will score that 20+ goals that is needed in this league.

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I don't think anyone has stated he is staying it's just we are hoping he stays. As for a new golden age surely any new owners will target promotion in order to secure better revenue, for that reason it's better to secure a proven goalscorer and although he is no spring chicken we are in a lower league. If he is used correctly he will score that 20+ goals that is needed in this league.
If we have to keep him then fine, he should play. If we can get rid of him all the better IMO.I dont see him a a grafter or team player.Many think the same of DMG, it is just another divisive arguement. Whyhe is being compared to DMG and not Saga or Bwp i dont know.
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Ok, I'll open another can of stats on your ass. (metaphorically)

 

DMG - 127 shots - 13 goals

Rasiak - 45 shots - 10 goals

 

As someone else has pointed out, Rasiak was used as a big lump in a mainly long ball game at Watford. His own chances would have been somewhat limited. If he'd been in our side with that conversion ratio, he'd theoretically have scored 28 goals from 127 efforts.

Can you put up the same facts re Saga BWP etc so we can see their stats or give me where you get them and Ill do it
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Rasiak played upfront

 

McGoldrick played a large amount of games either behind Euell and Saga or on the right side.

 

So DMG (I dont know why the 2 are being compared) had just under 3 attempts per game and Rasiak had less than 2. Rasiak obviously more prolific, I wonderwhat his stats were when he was 21. Rasiak is a depreciating asset DMG will become worth more as time goes on.It is a balance to work out whether DMG's experience last season will help this.Rasiak is getting older and definately does not want to play for us in this league.I doubt he is worth the money , but IMO of course.

 

Aaaaagh. Pleas let's not go down the comparing DMG to Rasiak alley. They're like chalk and cheese, two completely different players. I'm not about to get into a debate about who we should keep, who is worth more etc. because it will jsut go round in circle.

 

MLG - DMG did well go get into so many shooting situations last season, regardless of what possition he was playing. However a shot is a shot, and his conversion rate was poor. He needs to improve that is he is to become a decent striker.

 

Nick - Yes DMG is younger and will likely get better whilst Rasiak gets worse. However Rasiak is still an exceptionally good player at this level. He may get less mobile, but he will still be an excellent poacher for 5 maybe 10 years. My point wasn't that Rasiak was better, just that he could have scored many goals in our side last season. You questioned whether he could get 20, I was just pointing out that he could.

 

FWIW I think they could form a decent partnership next season. In Rasiak, Saga, DMG and Lallana we have 4 decent strikers already, but we NEED to play 4-4-2 with a couple of decent wingers providing service. Those 4 players, if they stay MUST play as out and out strikers not winger-come-supporting striker in the hole types who just drift around in no-man's land not doing anything.

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It would be unbelievable if we could keep Rasiak for League 1 - he's been our best striker over the last few years and that was when we were in the CCC. In League 1 he'd take the p*ss.

 

Can't quite see it though as he must surely want to play in a higher league, which then begs the question as to why the OS are bothering with these types of stories about Ras and Saga?

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Can you put up the same facts re Saga BWP etc so we can see their stats or give me where you get them and Ill do it

 

http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/Shooting/0,,10794~200810280~7,00.html

 

To save you the bother, and because I'm massively bored...

 

Conversion rate

Rasiak - 10 goals in 45 efforts - 4.5 shots per goal

Saga - 6 goals in 35 efforts - 5.8 shots per goal

BWP - 6 goals in 55 efforts - 9.2 shots per goal

DMG - 13 goals in 127 efforts - 9.8 shots per goal

Surman - 7 goal in 69 efforts - 9.9 shots per goal

Euell - 2 goals in 39 efforts - 19.5 shots per goal

Lallana - 3 goals in 76 efforts - 25.3 shots per goal

 

Most shots without scoring - Simon Gillett - 26

 

Most accurate

Matthew Patterson - 6/7 on target - 85%

Jack Cork - 5/7 on target - 71%

Jan Paul Saeijs - 9/13 on target - 69%

Rudi Skacel - 18/27 on target - 66%

Simon Gillett - 16/25 on target - 64%

 

Least Accurate

Morgan Schneiderlin - 4/16 on target - 25%

Jason Euell - 13/37 on target - 35%

Stern John - 4/14 on target - 40%

Jordan Robertson - 5/12 on target - 42%

Paul Wotton - 6/14 on target - 43%

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http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/Shooting/0,,10794~200810280~7,00.html

 

To save you the bother, and because I'm massively bored...

 

Conversion rate

Rasiak - 10 goals in 45 efforts - 4.5 shots per goal

Saga - 6 goals in 35 efforts - 5.8 shots per goal

BWP - 6 goals in 55 efforts - 9.2 shots per goal

DMG - 13 goals in 127 efforts - 9.8 shots per goal

Surman - 7 goal in 69 efforts - 9.9 shots per goal

Euell - 2 goals in 39 efforts - 19.5 shots per goal

Lallana - 3 goals in 76 efforts - 25.3 shots per goal

 

Most shots without scoring - Simon Gillett - 26

thanks Arizona. i looked on Soccerbase and they dont do the shots thing.They did have rasiak only scoring 8 in the league though!!

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Notice that true to form the OS reports several items under one heading but fails to link the items together:

(1) Rasiak returns

(2) Players given fitness targets

(3) Did Rasiak meet the requirement? (I would be shocked if he did, unless the target was set based on that of a stunned slug) :)

 

Of course Rasiak would be an asset of sorts in Division 3, but the only true reason for reports about rasiak is to put him in the shop window for interested parties.

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I'd love it if we can afford Rasiak for the season. He's lazy, doesnt work that hard, is getting old and demands a high wage but the bloke knows where the goal is. I'm pretty sure in League 1 he would bang them in, given a modicum of service.

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How many did Rasiak score last season?

The problem with so many on here is that they dont know what a budget means. No wonder we as a nation is so heavily burdened with debt.

 

He scored 8 goals from 12 starts last season.

Acording to http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/Shooting/0,,10794~200810400~7,00.html

He had in the league 27 shots on target and 19 shots off target. So total of 46 shots. Of his shots 56% were on target. And 17% of those were goals.

Another interesting thing is that he assited 4 goals.

 

Now compare to say DMG who had 45 starts and 12 goals. Having 64 shots on target and 54 off target. Meaning of his 118 shots 54% were on target.

However that means only 10% of his shots resulted in a goal. If you take away his penalties would make it look a lot worse.

 

So off starts last season Rasiak has a 66% chance to score upon a start. While DMG has a 26% chance to score upon a start. Its those stats that show the actual gap in level of quality really.

 

Next season we will need more then the 12 goals DMG scored this year if we are to go for promotion. Someone like Rasiak would bag a bundle in league 1. But as i said he wont be here next season, and if he is not signed by a club will be out on loan. I cannot see him wanting to play in division 3 sadly.

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Ok, I'll open another can of stats on your ass. (metaphorically)

 

DMG - 127 shots - 13 goals

Rasiak - 45 shots - 10 goals

 

While I don't argue that Rasiak is clearly a different class of player from McGoldrick, I'd also say that McGoldrick's style and position tends to leave him further from goal and thus much less likely to score from shots he does have.

 

Besides, Rasiak can't even kick a ball more than 18 yards and toe-punts everything beyond 12, so he simply doesn't shoot unless he's close in and though he gets a good return from that, that in itself limits the team's chances to score from some situations.

 

All that said, if we can afford him we should keep him. As few if any of us have an idea what the budget is, it's really a pointless discussion.

 

Holmes to Rasiak in the box would score us about three times the goals that Holmes to McGoldrick would though, IMHO. :cool:

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He scored 8 goals from 12 starts last season.

Acording to http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/Shooting/0,,10794~200810400~7,00.html

He had in the league 27 shots on target and 19 shots off target. So total of 46 shots. Of his shots 56% were on target. And 17% of those were goals.

Another interesting thing is that he assited 4 goals.

 

Now compare to say DMG who had 45 starts and 12 goals. Having 64 shots on target and 54 off target. Meaning of his 118 shots 54% were on target.

However that means only 10% of his shots resulted in a goal. If you take away his penalties would make it look a lot worse.

 

So off starts last season Rasiak has a 66% chance to score upon a start. While DMG has a 26% chance to score upon a start. Its those stats that show the actual gap in level of quality really.

 

Next season we will need more then the 12 goals DMG scored this year if we are to go for promotion. Someone like Rasiak would bag a bundle in league 1. But as i said he wont be here next season, and if he is not signed by a club will be out on loan. I cannot see him wanting to play in division 3 sadly.

 

None of those stats mean anything if you consider McGoldrick's much deeper starting position for about half of his games. And mediocre though he is, McG has already had a half decent return in League One even playing for tripe like Bournemouth.

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