Master Bates Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 In todays Echo, Mark Wotte has warned clubs Lallana won't be cheap. Wolves want him for £500k, however that is way below the value of up to £5m being talked up in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 500k would be a joke price. I'd expect at least £1m ! I doubt we'll ever get £5m though. And anyway, has Lallana said he wants to leave now then? wasn't he mates with Surman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 I don't think he was more than team mates with Surman, everytime i've seen him out and about he's been with Joe Mills and that lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 He should be cheap as he was absolute plop last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 i have no idea what would warrent 5m..? or close to that IMO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 i have no idea what would warrent 5m..? or close to that IMO.. A mansion with a nice garden and a couple of butlers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 i have no idea what would warrent 5m..? or close to that IMO.. talent and potential. He is class, but needs good coaching and a stable team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 talent and potential. He is class, but needs good coaching and a stable team around him. half of the kids in the CCC are this...they would struggle to get 5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 half of the kids in the CCC are this...they would struggle to get 5m I should say so! I would be a little p1ssed off if I was buying the club for £15mil only to realise that lallana constituted about a third of that.... He ain't worth a million as it stands but hey,if they can get 5mil then jump right in......can never see it in a million years though. No club in there right mind is going to part with that sort of money for a L1 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 When we were looking as if we were going under, other clubs were in a position to offer ridiculously low amounts in an attempt to pick up a fire sale bargain. Now that it looks as if we might be bought within a matter of days by people who do appear to have serious money behind them, we again have the whiphand. The law of supply and demand returns to the situation. If somebody is desperate to buy him, then they will be forced to pay a realistic price for him. If they don't, there will not be the imperative to sell him at any cost that existed until recently, as we have hopefully bought enough breathing space through the sale of Dyer and Surman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 I should say so! I would be a little p1ssed off if I was buying the club for £15mil only to realise that lallana constituted about a third of that.... He ain't worth a million as it stands but hey,if they can get 5mil then jump right in......can never see it in a million years though. No club in there right mind is going to part with that sort of money for a L1 player. But he isn't a league one player, is he? He hasn't ever played in league one for us. He is a fizzy pop league player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 But he isn't a league one player, is he? He hasn't ever played in league one for us. He is a fizzy pop league player. lol then we are not a league 1 club then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 In todays Echo, Mark Wotte has warned clubs Lallana won't be cheap. Wolves want him for £500k, however that is way below the value of up to £5m being talked up in January. And I thought McCarthy was desperate to be seen not capitalising on our misfortune... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 OK I will say IMHO...Most football peeps would see more skill, end football product, potential,future etc etc than in Mighty Mac or Surman...By a long way....Lallana is a very big talent and has a big future with the right club and coaching team/management team. It is all about opinions and I know at least one other person agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 So when mick Mccarthy said he didnt want to be seen as taking advantage.....he was a lying c*nt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 lol then we are not a league 1 club then... More like Conference league team at the mo:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 lol then we are not a league 1 club then... If you can't differentiate between the circumstances of club and players, then it you who deserve the :rolleyes:. By your feeble reasoning, you might as well classify Owen as being a fizzy pop player and ask why ManUre would be interested in a player from the lower divisions. If a player has habitually played his games at a certain level, it is fair comment to consider him a player of that level, even if his club are relegated. So to classify Lallana as a 3rd division player, perhaps you will kindly inform us all of the number of games that he has played in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 If you can't differentiate between the circumstances of club and players, then it you who deserve the :rolleyes:. By your feeble reasoning, you might as well classify Owen as being a fizzy pop player and ask why ManUre would be interested in a player from the lower divisions. If a player has habitually played his games at a certain level, it is fair comment to consider him a player of that level, even if his club are relegated. So to classify Lallana as a 3rd division player, perhaps you will kindly inform us all of the number of games that he has played in that division. are you saying lallana is too good for league 1..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 In todays Echo, Mark Wotte has warned clubs Lallana won't be cheap. Wolves want him for £500k, however that is way below the value of up to £5m being talked up in January. Another player wanting to leave 'negative' [surman] Southampton? Or... another player uninspired by Wotte? £500K is a joke for someone with genuine potential. He's way better than Surman. Whats more we need him to SURVIVE in League 1. God we need a takeover and a respected manager to rally the troops. We need it fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 are you saying lallana is too good for league 1..? He's certainly good enough to play in the Championship. Admittedly he hasnt shown anywhere near his true potential in the last year but he is a very capable player when on form (as shown in the last few games of the 2007/2008 season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 are you saying lallana is too good for league 1..? Are you saying that McCarthy wishes to deliberately reduce the quality of his Premiership squad by including league 1 players who are not good enough to do a job in the top flight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Are you saying that McCarthy wishes to deliberately reduce the quality of his Premiership squad by including league 1 players who are not good enough to do a job in the top flight? err.. strange answer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 OK we will take Vokes, Craddock AND Kightly AND NOT forgetting the £500,000.. Now that is a fair deal for Saints and Wolves AND similar suggestion to the other top leagues side looking at Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 err.. strange answer.. a strange answer to a strange question. It is patently obvious that if Lallana is bought by a Premiership club, that he is probably too good for league 1; unless of course McCarthy is a blithering idiot. At the very least, having played most of his senior football at Championship level, he is at least a championship player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 a strange answer to a strange question. It is patently obvious that if Lallana is bought by a Premiership club, that he is probably too good for league 1; unless of course McCarthy is a blithering idiot. At the very least, having played most of his senior football at Championship level, he is at least a championship player. not right now though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 We wont get anything near £5m for him. £2m would be great for a player who failed to deliver for all but the first 10 games of the season. I'm not sure why people think he is worth £5m. One goal against West Brom last season and suddenly everyone thought he was the best thing since sliced bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Another player wanting to leave 'negative' [surman] Southampton? Or... another player uninspired by Wotte? £500K is a joke for someone with genuine potential. He's way better than Surman. Whats more we need him to SURVIVE in League 1. God we need a takeover and a respected manager to rally the troops. We need it fast. wake up, we're in league ONE.... If a team from a higher div comes in then players will leave. End of story.. Its not Wootes bloody fault. Whats wrong with u? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 not right now though No. He is a Championship player, playing for a club technically in League 1, the club having not played any games in this division yet since over 30 years ago. Apart from a short loan at Bournemouth, he has not habitually played at this level, so cannot realistically be classified as a League 1 player any more than Owen can be classified as a Championship player by anybody with any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 he's the best thing since sliced bread IMO. A player with real ability that is also more than happy to work and dive into tackles. He offers tremendous potential and that's why he is worth millions already. We must do everything we can to keep him at least for one more season as he is the last player left at the club that I actually think is worth watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 No. He is a Championship player, playing for a club technically in League 1, the club having not played any games in this division yet since over 30 years ago. Apart from a short loan at Bournemouth, he has not habitually played at this level, so cannot realistically be classified as a League 1 player any more than Owen can be classified as a Championship player by anybody with any sense. lol we are not a league 1 club yet as we have not played a game in the division.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 lol we are not a league 1 club yet as we have not played a game in the division.. Well, we could be playing in the Blue Square league yet next season. Didn't you stop to consider that? But still the distinction between the status of the club and the player continues to elude you somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 So when mick Mccarthy said he didnt want to be seen as taking advantage.....he was a lying c*nt? Lol, definately agree. Wonky nosed pr!ck !! Lallana is a good player with a good potential and i certainly would not like to see him go, we have already lost two of our more talented players in Surman (who had a bad season but get off his back) and DMG (who will be a very good player in a few years) for cheap amounts. We need to get stability and soon to stop all this **** happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 I think you guys are splitting hairs on this one. His price willall depend on what people are willing to pay for him. People talk about potential, but let's look at a few other players who had 'potential' in the past: David Prutton - England U21 captain, we signed him for £2.5m James Beattie - Played several times, and scored, for England U21s, cost £1m. Bradley Wright Phillips - Made several Prem appearances for Man City, joined us for £750k Andrew Surman - Has contricuted much more to Saints over the last couple of years than AL. £1.2m with a few add ons. Nathan Dyer - We sold him for £400k. Michael Carrick - England U21 regular, Spuds got him for £2.75m. Tom Huddlestone - England U21 regular, signed for Spuds for £3m. To command a £5m fee you really have to be something special. Tallented though Lallana is, he just isn't that special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 (edited) wake up, we're in league ONE.... If a team from a higher div comes in then players will leave. End of story.. Its not Wootes bloody fault. Whats wrong with u? Partly correct, but watching an exodus of our better young players does not give me any confidence that Wotte has the respect some seem to say he does. Its still partly down to leadership and desire to play for the manager. But, we (and the players) dont know who that is likely to be until Fry stops fannying around and sells the club. I know we've had to sell Surman to buy some time... literally... but that MUST be all that we lose before a new manager can assess his squad and make some decisions for the new owners. Lallana MUST stay until he can at least have the chance of being inspired by the new manager. If Wotte is the new manager, well I would understand why Lallana will want to leave frankly. Edited 4 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Someone at Wolves needs to take Mick McCarthy aside and remind him that they've been promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Partly correct, but watching an exodus of our better young players does not give me any confidence that Wotte has the respect some seem to say he does. Its still partly down to leadership and desire to play for the manager. But, we (and the players) dont know who that is likely to be until Fry stops fannying around and sells the club. I know we've had to sell Surman to buy some time... literally... but that MUST be all that we lose before a new manager can assess his squad and make some decisions for the new owners. Lallana MUST stay until he can at least have the chance of being inspired by the new manager. If Wotte is the new manager, well I would understand why Lallana will want to leave frankly. We are in Div 1 with at least - 10 points surely even with most inspirational manager players with talent would probably wish to play in a higher league and earn more money. MLT stayed here I know because most fans think he did because of Loyalty Perry Grove does not . I am currently reading his autobiography in which he says MLT was one of most skilful players he ever saw but he wanted to be a big fish in a small pond and never tried to show how good he really was. Not all players are in the MLT mould today and want to earn as much as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 We are in Div 1 with at least - 10 points surely even with most inspirational manager players with talent would probably wish to play in a higher league and earn more money. MLT stayed here I know because most fans think he did because of Loyalty Perry Grove does not . I am currently reading his autobiography in which he says MLT was one of most skilful players he ever saw but he wanted to be a big fish in a small pond and never tried to show how good he really was. Not all players are in the MLT mould today and want to earn as much as possible I was told that some other person wrote the book for Perry and it was Terry Venables and Glennn Hodle who kept saying about MLT fish and little fish ponds.....For various reasons the likes of Groves, Venables and Hoddle are very jealous of MLT.....info and opinion based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 I was told that some other person wrote the book for Perry and it was Terry Venables and Glennn Hodle who kept saying about MLT fish and little fish ponds.....For various reasons the likes of Groves, Venables and Hoddle are very jealous of MLT.....info and opinion based. No I dont think Groves is as he was saying that he wished he had not got injured because he would have worked well with MLt and scored lots of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 If Wotte is the new manager, well I would understand why Lallana will want to leave frankly. Wotte is the manager yet you're not leaving and he's not even paying you :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 No I dont think Groves is as he was saying that he wished he had not got injured because he would have worked well with MLt and scored lots of goals. I agree Groves speed and style of play would have been good for us...I remain utterly convinced that Perry was injured and not up to it..I believe that he knew and Arsenal were definitely aware....Fair do if we had a clue and gambled...Perry in my view was at Arsenal , a better player team wise than given credit for....I was invited into the boardroom on quite a few matches..particularly Saints...Senior Arsenal officials definitely thought they had off loaded a lame duck at the time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 If Wotte is the new manager, well I would understand why Lallana will want to leave frankly. boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 I am currently reading his autobiography in which he says MLT was one of most skilful players he ever saw but he wanted to be a big fish in a small pond and never tried to show how good he really was. Not all players are in the MLT mould today and want to earn as much as possible For various reasons the likes of Groves, Venables and Hoddle are very jealous of MLT.....info and opinion based. Not everyone needs the affirmation of lots of medals and more money than you can ever spend. I remember seeing a MLT interview where he was asked why he turned down the big money moves to a 'big' club. He said "I love playing here, all my friends and family are close by, I have a four bedroom detached house, two cars and if I retire at 30 I'll never have to work again. Why would I leave?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 (edited) I agree Groves speed and style of play would have been good for us...I remain utterly convinced that Perry was injured and not up to it..I believe that he knew and Arsenal were definitely aware....Fair do if we had a clue and gambled...Perry in my view was at Arsenal , a better player team wise than given credit for....I was invited into the boardroom on quite a few matches..particularly Saints...Senior Arsenal officials definitely thought they had off loaded a lame duck at the time.... I dont really want to discuss Perry Groves or MLT as I have no idea of his motives. The point I was trying to make that unlike MLT people like Shearer Wallace Wallace Walcott Beattie etc have moved on to play in better teams than Saints and this will probably continue with players like Lallana . Edited 4 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 I dont really want to discuss Perry Groves or MLT as the point I was trying to make that unlike MLT people like Shearer Wallace Wallace Walcott Beattie etc have moved on to play in better teams than Saints and this will probably continue with players like Lallana . Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 But he isn't a league one player, is he? He hasn't ever played in league one for us. He is a fizzy pop league player. No,he hasn't played for us yet in league 1 but he did for a bournemouth side that got relegated for one reason or another. Tbf he didn't set the championship on fire,ok there were a few milliseconds of his potential but little else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 We are in Div 1 with at least - 10 points surely even with most inspirational manager players with talent would probably wish to play in a higher league and earn more money. MLT stayed here I know because most fans think he did because of Loyalty Perry Grove does not . I am currently reading his autobiography in which he says MLT was one of most skilful players he ever saw but he wanted to be a big fish in a small pond and never tried to show how good he really was. Not all players are in the MLT mould today and want to earn as much as possible Quite agree with this John, which is partly why I have campaigned for an MLT statue by the players entrance at SMS with 'LOYALTY' on the plinth! I appreciate that Lallana may wish to go rather than play League 1 football. However, the point is he is under contract, therefore he can't leave. I appreciate he may move anyway - regardless of who the manager is - but I would like the NEW manager to at least be given the opportunity to appeal to him to stay, the NEW manager to be able to select his squad for this years campaign before we allow anyone else to go. If he still wishes to leave so be it. But he WILL leave under Wotte. There must be no more sales until after the takeover and the managerial position is clarified by the new owners. The new manager must be given the best possible chance of selecting from the current crop of players in order to then hunt for areas he feels he must reinforce... even if the manager is orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 To command a £5m fee you really have to be something special. Ade Akinbiyi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Ade Akinbiyi? Yeah well, that was just retarded. Even so, he apparently scored 16 goals in the old Div 1 the season before Leicester signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 £5m is probably only a little less than what SMS will be sold for. Puts players transfer fees in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Reading 4-4-2 magazine - Patrick Kluivert waiting for offers from England! Doing his coaching badges at the moment but does not want to retire just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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