Guided Missile Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I wonder if Markus Liebherr was motivated by the history of our club to complete the deal, in competition against other bidders that may have not had that recognition in mind, but may have been more interested in the investment potential. I also wonder whether this will also drive him forward, to return the club to it's "family club" image. The Times reported: The Times understands that part of the attraction of the club to Liebherr, a deeply religious man, was that they were formed in 1885 by members of the St Mary’s Church of England Young Men’s Association, hence the “Saints” nickname. His background, IMHO, will form the basis of many of the decisions he makes with regard to the club and I would have thought that would extend to the choice of manager and behaviour of the players. I also re-read the forum rules and can see no issue with discussing Herr Liebherr's religious belief's and the way it influence(d) the way he has/will run our club but I must admit I won't be suprised if this one gets locked as well, given the attraction many so-called liberal commentators have in restricting free-speech and the expression of opinions opposite to their's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 And I hope it ends in the same admin response, perhaps with a couple of points infraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I wonder if Markus Liebherr was motivated by the history of our club to complete the deal, in competition against other bidders that may have not had that recognition in mind, but may have been more interested in the investment potential. I also wonder whether this will also drive him forward, to return the club to it's "family club" image. The Times reported: The Times understands that part of the attraction of the club to Liebherr, a deeply religious man, was that they were formed in 1885 by members of the St Mary’s Church of England Young Men’s Association, hence the “Saints” nickname. His background, IMHO, will form the basis of many of the decisions he makes with regard to the club and I would have thought that would extend to the choice of manager and behaviour of the players. I also re-read the forum rules and can see no issue with discussing Herr Liebherr's religious belief's and the way it influence(d) the way he has/will run our club but I must admit I won't be suprised if this one gets locked as well, given the attraction many so-called liberal commentators have in restricted free-speech and the expression of opinions opposite to their's... Liberals don't have a problem with free speech.... in fact they advocate free speech. We just don't like you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Liberals don't have a problem with free speech.... in fact they advocate free speech. We just don't like you! In fairness, he's removed the veilled anti-Semitism part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I doubt it was enough to spend £13-£15M, but I understand he was fascinated by our history & was particularly delighted to see the original church is still standing, still in use & just around the corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 (sighs with ennui) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I wonder if Markus Liebherr was motivated by the history of our club to complete the deal, in competition against other bidders that may have not had that recognition in mind, but may have been more interested in the investment potential. I also wonder whether this will also drive him forward, to return the club to it's "family club" image. The Times reported: The Times understands that part of the attraction of the club to Liebherr, a deeply religious man, was that they were formed in 1885 by members of the St Mary’s Church of England Young Men’s Association, hence the “Saints” nickname. His background, IMHO, will form the basis of many of the decisions he makes with regard to the club and I would have thought that would extend to the choice of manager and behaviour of the players. I also re-read the forum rules and can see no issue with discussing Herr Liebherr's religious belief's and the way it influence(d) the way he has/will run our club but I must admit I won't be suprised if this one gets locked as well, given the attraction many so-called liberal commentators have in restricted free-speech and the expression of opinions opposite to their's... Background influences the decisions we all make. However people from similalr backgrounds often have totally differing views. Of two people growing up in poverty one may be a communist and the other an entrepreneur. Attributing pretty nasty, given 20th century history, motivations to Markus, without knowing anything about him or his personality was pretty low IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 GM lets not go there. Why use this site to make the man fell uneasy.It doesnt matter what his religeous beliefs are. I support your mindset normally bt this could be overstepping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 GM lets not go there. Why use this site to make the man fell uneasy.It doesnt matter what his religeous beliefs are. I support your mindset normally bt this could be overstepping Aye, his beliefs, and ultimately his motivation for buying us, are his damned business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I doubt it was enough to spend £13-£15M, but I understand he was fascinated by our history & was particularly delighted to see the original church is still standing, still in use & just around the corner I suspected as much and it make you wonder whether he would have been inspired to spend £13-15M if the stadium would have been located in the middle of a retail park at Stoneham... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Mods....... Please lock this thread. We know ML likes to see the fans views (as the Echo trumpeted), let's not let GM upset him just yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I suspected as much and it make you wonder whether he would have been inspired to spend £13-15M if the stadium would have been located in the middle of a retail park at Stoneham... ...and your point is? Does it matter? is that any a less motivation than what drives most of the rest of us - a random accident of place of birth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 In fairness, he's removed the veilled anti-Semitism part. Yeh, but still wants the limelight.....this was covered a couple of days ago....but our Mr M, loves the moment. Lock it again Mods..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 StockPort County were also founded from a church, why did'nt he buy them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I am just delighted he has purchased the club. If his beliefs and values were instrumental in influencing this and enhance the future of our club then better still.But really this is a matter solely for ML. I am also delighted the joker wheeled out by Pinnacle has not been able to cause further embarassment for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I wonder if Markus Liebherr was motivated by the history of our club to complete the deal, in competition against other bidders that may have not had that recognition in mind, but may have been more interested in the investment potential. I also wonder whether this will also drive him forward, to return the club to it's "family club" image. The Times reported: The Times understands that part of the attraction of the club to Liebherr, a deeply religious man, was that they were formed in 1885 by members of the St Mary’s Church of England Young Men’s Association, hence the “Saints” nickname. His background, IMHO, will form the basis of many of the decisions he makes with regard to the club and I would have thought that would extend to the choice of manager and behaviour of the players. I also re-read the forum rules and can see no issue with discussing Herr Liebherr's religious belief's and the way it influence(d) the way he has/will run our club but I must admit I won't be suprised if this one gets locked as well, given the attraction many so-called liberal commentators have in restricting free-speech and the expression of opinions opposite to their's... I'm not sure even you can be confused by those bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I wonder if Markus Liebherr was motivated by the history of our club to complete the deal, in competition against other bidders that may have not had that recognition in mind, but may have been more interested in the investment potential. I also wonder whether this will also drive him forward, to return the club to it's "family club" image. The Times reported: The Times understands that part of the attraction of the club to Liebherr, a deeply religious man, was that they were formed in 1885 by members of the St Mary’s Church of England Young Men’s Association, hence the “Saints” nickname. His background, IMHO, will form the basis of many of the decisions he makes with regard to the club and I would have thought that would extend to the choice of manager and behaviour of the players. I also re-read the forum rules and can see no issue with discussing Herr Liebherr's religious belief's and the way it influence(d) the way he has/will run our club but I must admit I won't be suprised if this one gets locked as well, given the attraction many so-called liberal commentators have in restricting free-speech and the expression of opinions opposite to their's...Much better post than the last one on this subject John. It is all about family values and I agree with your opinion on the probable way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I doubt it was enough to spend £13-£15M, but I understand he was fascinated by our history & was particularly delighted to see the original church is still standing, still in use & just around the corner I hope he wasn't looking to the church for Saints footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 GM lets not go there. Why use this site to make the man fell uneasy.It doesnt matter what his religeous beliefs are. I support your mindset normally bt this could be overstepping Let's not go where? I'm proud of the club's roots and even more proud that the Stadium as now located in a multi-cultural and multi-faith area of the City, where there has been none of the problems with our fans, that were predicted by many. The founders of our club would also be proud as I am sure will our new owner. Feel uneasy? Nowhere near as uneasy as I would have felt, with Fialka in charge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Let's not go where? I'm proud of the club's roots and even more proud that the Stadium as now located in a multi-cultural and multi-faith area of the City, where there has been none of the problems with our fans, that were predicted by many. The founders of our club would also be proud as I am sure will our new owner. Feel uneasy? Nowhere near as uneasy as I would have felt, with Fialka in charge.... Et Voila... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Et Voila... He couldn't resist the veiled Germans Vs Jews digs could he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PercyR Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Yeh, but still wants the limelight.....this was covered a couple of days ago....but our Mr M, loves the moment. Lock it again Mods..... +1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 He couldn't resist the veiled Germans Vs Jews digs could he? It's f**king embarassing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 ...and your point is? Does it matter? The point is that any deeply religious person bases his/her actions on his/her beliefs. That is a good thing, IMHO. It will be the basis for the choice of manager and hopefully, the disciplinary code with our young players, ie we are unlikely to have an alcoholic for a manager that turns up drunk for training, nor have players that steal money from barmaids purses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 The point is that any deeply religious person bases his/her actions on his/her beliefs. That is a good thing, IMHO. It will be the basis for the choice of manager and hopefully, the disciplinary code with our young players, ie we are unlikely to have an alcoholic for a manager that turns up drunk for training, nor have players that steal money from barmaids purses... Who turned out to have an illness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 (edited) The point is that any deeply religious person bases his/her actions on his/her beliefs. That is a good thing, IMHO. It will be the basis for the choice of manager and hopefully, the disciplinary code with our young players, ie we are unlikely to have an alcoholic for a manager that turns up drunk for training, nor have players that steal money from barmaids purses... Perhaps - or he believes in the basic goodness of the human soul, supporting people through their troubles, forgiveness etc. We might have a whole team of thieves and drunks. The point is you know f all about MLs personal views so its dangerous, and unfair to draw conclusions. Anyway I don't want to go there. I'm sick of ripping people to shreds on this board, based on absolutely bugger all. Edited 11 July, 2009 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 COYRs OWTSGMI WE ARE ON THE UP THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL IS JUST SUPERB THANK GOD COYRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I wonder if Markus Liebherr was motivated by the history of our club to complete the deal, in competition against other bidders that may have not had that recognition in mind, but may have been more interested in the investment potential. I also wonder whether this will also drive him forward, to return the club to it's "family club" image. The Times reported: The Times understands that part of the attraction of the club to Liebherr, a deeply religious man, was that they were formed in 1885 by members of the St Mary’s Church of England Young Men’s Association, hence the “Saints” nickname. His background, IMHO, will form the basis of many of the decisions he makes with regard to the club and I would have thought that would extend to the choice of manager and behaviour of the players. I also re-read the forum rules and can see no issue with discussing Herr Liebherr's religious belief's and the way it influence(d) the way he has/will run our club but I must admit I won't be suprised if this one gets locked as well, given the attraction many so-called liberal commentators have in restricting free-speech and the expression of opinions opposite to their's... Well , according to the Swiss newpapers, which are in German but thats good for me , in which Markus has directly spoken, his comments and quotes have nothing about such influences were discussed by Markus , he quotes quite openly in an interview why he purchased the club , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 He couldn't resist the veiled Germans Vs Jews digs could he? Actually it was a Saints fan vs a Spurs fan dig. It's interesting what insults the mods allow you and your chum, Alpine to get away with. Luckily there's an ignore function I can take advantage of. Byeee.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Actually it was a Saints fan vs a Spurs fan dig. It's interesting what insults the mods allow you and your chum, Alpine to get away with. Luckily there's an ignore function I can take advantage of. Byeee.... Oh, oh sheeeet. He's ignoring me again. Please Johnny, dont do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Actually it was a Saints fan vs a Spurs fan dig. It's interesting what insults the mods allow you and your chum, Alpine to get away with. Luckily there's an ignore function I can take advantage of. Byeee.... Having read your other thread, and your anti semitic views, I am happy to believe it is a German Vs Jew dig. Besides, if Ponty's posting history is anything to go by, then 'you stupid c*nt' is a more than acceptable insult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Very poor that this poster has not been banned for such obvious racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 GM, I very much enjoy reading your threads, because unlike most contraversial characters on this site you can articulate your points. However, it's a queation you don't really need to ask, and you will be criticised for doing so by those on here that tend to act like the sensationalist gutter press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 GM shows what a truly despicable human he is with his anti-Semitic rant in the original posting. No wonder he's delighted to have a German owner. Why can't the Lowe Luvvies just accept defeat and look forward to the future or are they simply just not very nice people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Very poor that this poster has not been banned for such obvious racism. If you object to it strongly enough, you can report his post using the little red-and-white triangle in the top right corner of the post. I see you've only posted 41 times - maybe the rest of us have built up an immunity to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 GM shows what a truly despicable human he is with his anti-Semitic rant in the original posting. No wonder he's delighted to have a German owner. Why can't the Lowe Luvvies just accept defeat and look forward to the future or are they simply just not very nice people? Firmly hits the nail on the head.....You can see this little group for what they are worth....LUVVIES PLEASE ..PLEASE LET GO...:smt039 COME BACK AND REALLY SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE SAINTS:smt007 COYRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Actually it was a Saints fan vs a Spurs fan dig. It's interesting what insults the mods allow you and your chum, Alpine to get away with. Luckily there's an ignore function I can take advantage of. Byeee.... Pot, kettle... DO NOT start a new topic that repeats a theme of a topic that has been locked or deleted by a member of the Admin Team. It was locked/deleted for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 lol at the complete over reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 lol at the complete over reaction Have you read his OP on the original thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 People can we just not go here eh? Religion is best left spoken about in pulpits or in a religious debate not on a forum dedicated to Southampton Football Club and football (a different type of religion ;-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Have you read his OP on the original thread ? religion is the root cause of many many things..so I would not rule anything out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 (edited) lol at the complete over reaction AND you are outa the door if Adams turns up....... Please do not leave we would miss our salty sea tales from Guz:smt007 Edited 11 July, 2009 by ottery st mary spellin backclassed again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 religion is the root cause of many many things..so I would not rule anything out Religion isn't the 'cause' of anything. Followers of Religion on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Religion isn't the 'cause' of anything. Followers of Religion on the other hand... either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Let's not go where? I'm proud of the club's roots and even more proud that the Stadium as now located in a multi-cultural and multi-faith area of the City, where there has been none of the problems with our fans, that were predicted by many. The founders of our club would also be proud as I am sure will our new owner. Feel uneasy? Nowhere near as uneasy as I would have felt, with Fialka in charge....Fair enough, but it is opening it up for a lot of religeous jibes.You may not have meant it but i can see us going down a path that really is not needed. All IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 "The point is that any deeply religious person bases his/her actions on his/her beliefs. That is a good thing, IMHO. " hmmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_attack_on_Ayodhya etc... Religon is neither more nor less likely to be a "good thing" IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 (edited) So what if he has religious beliefs? A slow news day for GM who can't think of anything else to provoke fake offense. Tony aint coming back. Being religious covers a whole spectrum of values and outlooks. Avoid the extremes, and most of these values are not only harmless but even positive, emphasising fairness, responsibility, hardwork and generosity. And for many others, being religious is a deeply private thing that shouldn't be forced on others.In other words, its irrelevant (that's how i prefer it) If anything, that Liebherr is religious fills me with confidence that he won't act opportunistically and treat the club as a plaything or cashcow. Anyway, in a strict footballing sense- most footballers with religious beliefs have upped their game (Kaka etc). Shame Dyer or BWP didnt do a Lee Hughes.... Edited 11 July, 2009 by shurlock spellink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Very poor that this poster has not been banned for such obvious racism. shut it carling you slag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Talking of motivation, not really sure what GM's is given that he knows this sort of thing will cause a reaction...I suspect that is it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Anybody know any good Skate jokes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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