The Fat Controller Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 Don't shoot me for this but i work with a lot of Reading fans who tell me he will say the right things in press conferences but will use us as a stepping stone to better things..... Is Pardew the right man or Keegan in disguise???? Quite simply yes or no is Alan Pardew the right man for Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 Yes. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 yes - more sensible appointment then many suggested on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Would it not help to post this sort of message after the bloke has actually got his feet under the table, and several games under his belt, before you start to undermine everything. I mean, f*****g pre-mature or what..? What's the motive here..? Saints interest or do you just like to see a thread started with your handle on the top..? I think some people have too much spare time on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 'Is Pardew a keegan in disguise'? What's a keegan? Until I know I can't tell you if he is in disguise or not. My guess is not. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Simply yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 why leave one of the richest clubs in england? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 He's using us as a way back to the Prem, I agree. But with us in a few years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Ive no idea about his character, like you. I imagine he was a competent out of work manager looking for a good club to take forward. Given what a low base he is starting from and the resources he is likely to have, I'm sure he'll do very well for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Yes...He will take the Saints all the way back to the top.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Don't shoot me for this but i work with a lot of Reading fans who tell me he will say the right things in press conferences but will use us as a stepping stone to better things..... Is Pardew the right man or Keegan in disguise???? Quite simply yes or no is Alan Pardew the right man for Saints? Ridiculous post! Trying to stir up negatives before a balls been kicked - what is wrong with some posters? Should be locked.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Ridiculous post! Trying to stir up negatives before a balls been kicked - what is wrong with some posters? Should be locked.... Fully agree .... no more Lowe, no more dutch total football, Saints saved from closure by a new Billionaire owner,a new experienced and proven English manager, a new season and a new start for our club - and all some can do is post negative rubbish! Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Can't say really - he left Reading to go to what he felt was a better football club. So in my mind Reading fans would have a bit of an axe to grind - similar to us with Hoddle. Has AP learnt from his past - lets hope so, after all most good managers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnia Saint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 This would be the Reading fans who have no axe to grind after he left them for West Ham then? If he wants to use us as a stepping stone then fine by me as it will mean he is motivated in getting us back up the leagues otherwise no premiership club will come lokking for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 He was there 4 years....thats a bloody big stepping stone in terms of SFC who have had about 12 managers in 8 years!!! I have read that on here several times now but for me if he can get us up 2 divisions then bugger off to his spiritual home then the job he was employed to do will have been completed. We will be in higher division and a far better place to attract good managers than Div 1 on -10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Don't shoot me for this but i work with a lot of Reading fans who tell me he will say the right things in press conferences but will use us as a stepping stone to better things..... Getting SFC to the Premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 OP is a fair question, possibly asked in an inflamtory way. Pardew is the most experienced "name" manager in L1. He had a good reputation, but things didn't work out at Charlton so he has a stain in his cv if clubs at the highest level had been taking a look at him. If he is successful with Saints, then his name will be linked when the PL starts to take shape and clubs start to panic. In many ways it is a similar situation to that of WGS, when he was here there was speculation that he would go to Leeds for example. Will he be tempted when somebody like Hull come calling in January? It will in reality all come down to the contract he is on and the rewards for promotion. It's reality, not negativity. After all, many posters on here were advocating "stealing the manager from lesser clubs", so it happens, it should be understood, planned for and the contract terms should safeguard us. Will it happen? - this season I strongly doubt it, a rebuild with funds is very different from a rescue job with somebody else's mess. But there is no loyalty in football, even the fans can turn against their club and go and buy season tickets for the Emirates Stadium.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 The post is ridiculous in view of our changed circumstances. If he succeeds in getting us promoted, we will be the better things that you mention. If he does not achieve that, it will be us that changes him for somebody better to achieve that aim. But I am happy that at the moment, under our current circumstances, he is the right man for the job and he has a great opportunity to restore his credentials as a top flight manager by getting us back there. The potential is to manage a club just below the top 4 in the country. Unless one of those top 4 wanted him, why would he want to leave us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 OP is a fair question, possibly asked in an inflamtory way. Pardew is the most experienced "name" manager in L1. He had a good reputation, but things didn't work out at Charlton so he has a stain in his cv if clubs at the highest level had been taking a look at him. If he is successful with Saints, then his name will be linked when the PL starts to take shape and clubs start to panic. In many ways it is a similar situation to that of WGS, when he was here there was speculation that he would go to Leeds for example. Will he be tempted when somebody like Hull come calling in January? It will in reality all come down to the contract he is on and the rewards for promotion. It's reality, not negativity. After all, many posters on here were advocating "stealing the manager from lesser clubs", so it happens, it should be understood, planned for and the contract terms should safeguard us. Will it happen? - this season I strongly doubt it, a rebuild with funds is very different from a rescue job with somebody else's mess. But there is no loyalty in football, even the fans can turn against their club and go and buy season tickets for the Emirates Stadium.... Dont disagree with what you are saying but this thread is probably based on Reading fans getting upset that he left to go to West Ham. With the top clubs now going for foreign managers it is unlikely that Pardew will go to a bigger club if we ever get back to the Premiership it is probably more likely he will be sacked for not getting us there. With his experience of going to Charlton I doubt he would want to go to Hull a club like Reading which is not destined to stay in the Premiership for long especially as now we have a serious financial backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Hasn't even started and already some are thinking hes off, Reading fans yeah like i take notice of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Don't shoot me for this but i work with a lot of Reading fans who tell me he will say the right things in press conferences but will use us as a stepping stone to better things..... Is Pardew the right man or Keegan in disguise???? Quite simply yes or no is Alan Pardew the right man for Saints? No disrespect but I work and socialise with Reading fans and they are not saying this. They felt Madejski handled it badly when AP left. There view was AP left them in good shape and had been there 4 years..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 He does well, we do well ! He does badly, he gets sack ! What in hell's name is the point of speculating that he will walk out ??? Btw, my mates at Reading say that he did a great job and would not be unhappy to see him back !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 What's a keegan? Now that doesn't surprise me!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 He does well, we do well ! He does badly, he gets sack ! What in hell's name is the point of speculating that he will walk out ??? Btw, my mates at Reading say that he did a great job and would not be unhappy to see him back !! Yes I agree I live near Reading and thought he would return then completely forgot about him with all the Strachan Keegan Wise rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 18 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 July, 2009 This post seems to have ruffled up a few but it is a question for us to debate as that is what a forum is about. Doing a Keegan - walking away if a better offer comes in or the pressure gets to him. This is not meant as deflamatory against Pardew because he will do our club good, but purely the based on the comments of the Reading fans who I work with hence why I asked this question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Don't shoot me for this but i work with a lot of Reading fans who tell me he will say the right things in press conferences but will use us as a stepping stone to better things..... Is Pardew the right man or Keegan in disguise???? Quite simply yes or no is Alan Pardew the right man for Saints? maybe, by the time he's proved himself, Saints will be " better things" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Its not exactly rocket-science to work out why the Reading fans are saying this seeing as he walked out on them for West Ham. But please show me a manager who wouldn't walk out on a club for a bigger, better offer. It is not a symptom of Pardew's character. It is human nature. I 'walked out' on my last employer because I got a better offer elsewhere. Bet most people on this forum have done the same as well. If Pardew does leave at some stage, either during or at the end of his contract, then we will get over it. Equally, the club reserves the right to bin him at any stage of his contract if it is not working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 If Pardew does leave at some stage, either during or at the end of his contract, then we will get over it. Equally, the club reserves the right to bin him at any stage of his contract if it is not working out. Agreed, it's not as though it's unheard of for a manager to (a) to leave when a bigger/better/more monied job is offered, or (b) to be sacked when they don't meet expectations. Pardew was tempted by an offer from a team in the top flight, so not sure how that makes him a "Keegan" (if the analogy is quitting when the sht hits the fan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi-skacel Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 prolly a skate who can't hack the fact that we got a descent manager,who could actually take us places,or,another merchant of doom and gloom,anyway as long as pardew gets us to the prem,thats all that matters"ALAN PARDEW'S RED AND WHITE ARMY","COME ON YOU REDS". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 I've been discussing this with Reading people over the last couple of days and they are naturally very, very bitter about Pardew due to the way in which he left them! It's interesting to note that Pardew's record is actually better than Coppell's at Reading though! One things that does come up time and time again about him is that he says the right things for the benefit of the cameras even if he is saying different things (apparently!) behind close doors. There was the West Ham incident in which he was 'caught' slagging off their fans, which may be where the weight of theses accusations come from. Also, there have been claims that he's a bit naive (they said thick, but naive is perhaps a little gracious) and the 'controversies' section of his wiki page will give you more detail on this. Pardew seems to have left all 3 clubs under a huge cloud of negativity and praise for him is hard to find frm his ex-fans, but then not many managers manage to make leaving a positive thing do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 A)Is Pardew the right man or Keegan in disguise???? B)Quite simply yes or no is Alan Pardew the right man for Saints? It seems a little unfair raising this before the poor bastard has even got his feet under the table,but perhaps a perfectly valid question in view of the 'revolving door' practice in football management these days. A)I expect AP would be attracted by a move to the Prem or a higher profile club esp. in London(we are in the third tier now lets be honest).So keep a watch on developments at say,Fulham,QPR or Palace. B)Not the star name many hoped for but realistically we would not have attracted a more experienced and able manager in our position. If he leaves us after building the foundations as he did at Reading then he will have done a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 "Will he do a Keegan?" There is nothing in his past to indicate that. I think he was picked because he thinks in a similar way to the new management - using no more than is necessary to get the job in hand done and build gradually. I would like to think that he doesn't want to "do a Sparky" and he wants to show that he can do a good job without spending a fortune. After all I reckon I could make things happen if I had £2 -300,000,000 to spend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 I don't mind if Pardew is using us as a way back to a Premiership club. In order to do that he will have to do very well with us before any Prem team would want him. Thus a win/win situation and we find someone else whilst being in a better position to attract good managers ...Or he could just get us back to the top flight and he'd be a Prem manager again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Who cares, if he gets us back in to the CC I would be happy, not too many Saints managers have ever got us promoted. He would join the elite group of McMenemy, Bates and McIntyre. If he got us to the Premier would that make him our best manager ever? (Resounding No of course). If he uses us as a stepping stone it would be because he was a success, its a double-edged sword, so as I said, who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 With reagrds the last two posts then i have to agree in that if Pardew gets poached on the basis of success with us, then I would accept that (even if I would prefer to be successful and keep him of course). Considering where we are, I reckon success will be back in the CCC within 2 years and if we have to go again with someone else if he is poached, then i could live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 If Pardew were Keegan in disguise, he's got a bloody good disguise ... none of that Just for Fun rubbish with the comedy specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Its not exactly rocket-science to work out why the Reading fans are saying this seeing as he walked out on them for West Ham. But please show me a manager who wouldn't walk out on a club for a bigger, better offer. It is not a symptom of Pardew's character. It is human nature. I 'walked out' on my last employer because I got a better offer elsewhere. Bet most people on this forum have done the same as well. If Pardew does leave at some stage, either during or at the end of his contract, then we will get over it. Equally, the club reserves the right to bin him at any stage of his contract if it is not working out. Absolutely! and he has tended to be at clubs for 3-5 seasons anyway. He had been at Reading for 5 seasons before he left (albeit 3 as coach). Don't see this as a big problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Absolutely! and he has tended to be at clubs for 3-5 seasons anyway. He had been at Reading for 5 seasons before he left (albeit 3 as coach). Don't see this as a big problem at all. 3-5 seasons as manager is an exaggeration. check his wiki page for confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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