Bakovnetski Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 (edited) Thought he looked totally out of his depth or couldn't be arsed when he came on yesterday, cant make my mind up which. No communication with Mills as to who should be marking whom, just some aimless pointing at people near him who he didn't want to mark. When he was called upon to go forward he didn't find any channels and when called upon to chase back looked very pedestrian. Did not look up for it IMO. If playing Ajax in front of the new manager and owner doesn't float his boat to put some effort in then get rid. Edited 19 July, 2009 by Bakovnetski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Thought he looked totally out of his depth or couldn't be arsed when he came on yesterday, cant make my mind up which. No communication with Mills as to who should be marking whom, just some aimless pointing at people near him who he didn't want to mark. When he was called upon to go forward he didn't find any channels and when called upon to chase back looked very pedestrian. Did not look up for it IMO. If playing Ajax in front of the new manager and owner doesn't float his boat to put some effort in then get rid. Why not get rid of anybody who has a bad game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I agree he was poor, however playing on the left made it hard for him as he couldn't beat his marker on the outside or cross with his right foot. He is still one of our best young players. Btw it is Thomson not Thompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 19 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Why not get rid of anybody who has a bad game. There were a few who did have a bad game or were just shown as being at a lower level. At least they put some honest effort in. Can't fault that and its up to the manager to decide who to keep and who not to. If he has laid down the law in the dressing room (see other thread) then non-tryers or lads with bad attitude should be put straight. That can spread through the squad as we have seen before in seasons when we have been relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davec Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Felt sorry for Jake! Sent out on left wing - no decent service from our playmaker - Hoofer Wotton! Thomson needs to be put out on the right wing and told to attack his full back - let's concentrate on what he is good at! When at Bournemouth last season , he was encouraged to do this by Eddie Howe and he helped turn their season around. If he is handled properly and played in the right position,he could be a big player this season. Let's hope AP plays players in the right position - eg/ Thomson RW, Paterson Centre Forward and Lallana in the middle where his creativity will hurt teams in League One! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Unfortunately another youngster who has been allowed to play first team football with no ability to impose himself or to turn a game. Add to list with Lallana,Paterson, James, Gobern etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I've never seen him have a good game. Looked okish against Totton, maybe that's his level... No way near as good a prospect as James, Lallana, Mills, Gobern etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 There were a few who did have a bad game or were just shown as being at a lower level. At least they put some honest effort in. Can't fault that and its up to the manager to decide who to keep and who not to. If he has laid down the law in the dressing room (see other thread) then non-tryers or lads with bad attitude should be put straight. That can spread through the squad as we have seen before in seasons when we have been relegated. Just give him a chance he does have potential We are supposed to give the players more confidence not reduce it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Thought he looked totally out of his depth or couldn't be arsed when he came on yesterday, cant make my mind up which. No communication with Mills as to who should be marking whom, just some aimless pointing at people near him who he didn't want to mark. When he was called upon to go forward he didn't find any channels and when called upon to chase back looked very pedestrian. Did not look up for it IMO. If playing Ajax in front of the new manager and owner doesn't float his boat to put some effort in then get rid. I'm sure you're smart enough to not reach a conclusion in a friendly game where 5+ (?) substitutes were made and where our "shape" changed at least 3 times as key players joined and left the field. I thought he looked quick and did some tracking back but on yesterday's evidence looked a little way off being able to be relied upon week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Thought he looked totally out of his depth or couldn't be arsed when he came on yesterday, cant make my mind up which. No communication with Mills as to who should be marking whom, just some aimless pointing at people near him who he didn't want to mark. When he was called upon to go forward he didn't find any channels and when called upon to chase back looked very pedestrian. Did not look up for it IMO. If playing Ajax in front of the new manager and owner doesn't float his boat to put some effort in then get rid. He was up for it, looked lively and put in some good tackles. But by then the whole team had lost its game plan and were chasing shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Jake Thomson......Came on after the Lord Mayors Show and all the balloons had burst.... Team had virtually gone home.....He is a right winger with searing pace and can play right back....Given time an right measured introduction will be an asset to the squad and then the team....Will frighten to death some sides..especially later in the game when brought on......Pardew is very astute and will get the best from him and a few of the other useful youngsters.....In Pardew WE must trust....Onwards and upwards... COYRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I was thinking both, total waste of space!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Why not get rid of anybody who has a bad game. In a strange way you have a point. Thompson is poor as is Lancashire. If you are not ready by 18 or 19 for League 1 then you are not good enough. Remember we used to loan teenagers to teams in this league to get experience. We don't have time to waste on players who will struggle in the third tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gis Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Yep, he looked lost yesterday but it did him no favours being isolated out on the left wing. 12 months ago Thomson looked every bit as good as Mills, who had a great game despite some mistakes. Funny how some can step up to the first team whilst others seem to lose their way. Anyhow I still think Jake has real potential, but don't really see him as a winger (right or left), where he just doesn't see enough of the ball. I'd love to see him sitting in front of the defence, alongside Gillet in midfield then he might start showing what he can do. His real strengths are all about running with the ball and breaking quickly from defence into attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I'm told by a Bournemouth ST holder that he did **** all when he was there. Young but should be in the youth team not the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 should be in the youth team not the first team. He is 20 years old. How can he be in the youth team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Reserves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 In a strange way you have a point. Thompson is poor as is Lancashire. If you are not ready by 18 or 19 for League 1 then you are not good enough. Remember we used to loan teenagers to teams in this league to get experience. We don't have time to waste on players who will struggle in the third tier. I must admit I would rather take the guidance of Football Professionals who have offered them contracts than fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsfannick Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 ive never seen thomson play well he always looks like he should have pace and take on players but he's useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoakley Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I have never rated him in are 1st team but hes quick so he has that naturall quickness just getting his ball skills up to standard i heard he done very well at bmouth so hes defo good enough for league two at 20 so he should be able to cut it at league one wouldnt expect him to start most weeks be a roation player probs start every 4 or 5 games maybe the odd sub apperance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I think we're being a bit harsh on him. He's a good player, his problem is the hangover from the previous management. All these young kids are used to loosing, it's easy for experienced players to recover from this mentality after a while because usually they've experienced the winning side of the game... ...but these young players have been thrust into a losing setup with a losing mentality and in their careers that's all they've had. - it's no wonder they look a little short atm. once pardrew sorts them all out, they'll show us what they're all about. (that wasn't meant to rhyme...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 When a young player with pace comes on he should be put into his proper position and left to play in the broad framework without detailed instructions. Henderson spent 5 mins telling him how he wanted to play, then put him on the left side out of position to help Mills with the pace of Rommedahl. No wonder the poor lad found it difficult. There are too many coaches like Henderson that couldn't win a raffle if they had the only ticket. They are totally wrapped up in the technicalities, and totally ignore the big picture. They move players around on their chessboard and expect them to play to defined detailed instructions which just reduces the effectiveness of the team. With this attitude except for Kelvin Davis's brilliant shot stopping we could have lost 10-1. Yesterday was an ideal opportunity to take on a big team and give them a scare. What did we do, run up the white flag, play two left backs, Wotton as a front sweeper, every tackle a foul, nobody picked up, disrupted our midfield, stopped the centre backs attacking the ball, and a pass completion about 10%, played the whole game FFS. We then occupied our half and let Ajax have the ball to pick us apart using the full width of the pitch. Nearly every time we won the ball Wotton gave it back. The safety first, one forward approach was a nonsense because it didn't work. We needed to play 4-4-2, every player in his proper position and give it a go. Two banks of four with the two Poles up front occupying the full width would have caused Ajax a lot more problems than we did. Coaches are a commonly a bloody liability and make awful managers in the main, as they have no idea how to pick a balanced team, because they ignore common sense and theorise too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 For those that want to criticise the young players and get rid of them on the assumption that they are the finished product and therefore not good enough, please remember that these are youngsters and they are still finding their feet in professional football. If they are not good enough in a particular game we should not just make a blanket assumption that they are therefore not going to be good enough in any game ever. I would suggest there are 3 things to be considered here: 1. They are youngsters and they will get better. I was at Sheffield Wednesday a couple of years ago when Theo Walcott was brought on as sub. Everyone was desperate to see this wonder-kid... and you know what? He was rubbish! His crosses were poor, he was forever getting caught in possession and his shooting was weak. His only plus point was that he had pace in abundance. Yet, we all knew that this was a player with massive potential (which he has finally in the past year begun to live up to with Arsenal and England). 2. Their confidence is very low after the failures of last season. Many of them need to be reminded of their potential and to begin again to build upon that. 3. The big problem for some of these players is not that they don't have potential. The problem is that they are being weighed down by unrealistic expectations. They have been asked to play regular matches at a level for which some were clearly not ready. We need to introduce these players sensitively and wisely. Some will mature quickly and soon reach the standard to be a first team player. Others may need experience at a lower level first. Still others will need to be used sparingly as substitutes to gain experience and confidence in the first team. Still others may never reach their potential and finally a few may only reach their potential by moving to another club. So, let's trust the new management to make the right decisions that will further the development of these players. And let us as fans play our part by getting behind these youngsters when they play and applauding everything they do right, whilst being prepared to forgive the inevitable errors that come from taking a risk on the development of young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 well...this season will sort the ones good enough out.. as someone earlier posted. We used to send players to league 1 to get better..if they cant cut here then sorry to say, they are not good enough OR saints is not for them and a fresh start else where may be needed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 For those that want to criticise the young players and get rid of them on the assumption that they are the finished product and therefore not good enough, please remember that these are youngsters and they are still finding their feet in professional football. If they are not good enough in a particular game we should not just make a blanket assumption that they are therefore not going to be good enough in any game ever. I would suggest there are 3 things to be considered here: 1. They are youngsters and they will get better. I was at Sheffield Wednesday a couple of years ago when Theo Walcott was brought on as sub. Everyone was desperate to see this wonder-kid... and you know what? He was rubbish! His crosses were poor, he was forever getting caught in possession and his shooting was weak. His only plus point was that he had pace in abundance. Yet, we all knew that this was a player with massive potential (which he has finally in the past year begun to live up to with Arsenal and England). 2. Their confidence is very low after the failures of last season. Many of them need to be reminded of their potential and to begin again to build upon that. 3. The big problem for some of these players is not that they don't have potential. The problem is that they are being weighed down by unrealistic expectations. They have been asked to play regular matches at a level for which some were clearly not ready. We need to introduce these players sensitively and wisely. Some will mature quickly and soon reach the standard to be a first team player. Others may need experience at a lower level first. Still others will need to be used sparingly as substitutes to gain experience and confidence in the first team. Still others may never reach their potential and finally a few may only reach their potential by moving to another club. So, let's trust the new management to make the right decisions that will further the development of these players. And let us as fans play our part by getting behind these youngsters when they play and applauding everything they do right, whilst being prepared to forgive the inevitable errors that come from taking a risk on the development of young players. Indeed, clean sheets for all, and that IMHO includes the experienced players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Unfortunately another youngster who has been allowed to play first team football with no ability to impose himself or to turn a game. Add to list with Lallana,Paterson, James, Gobern etc Funnily enough I think all of them (possibly except Paterson) are comfortably good enough for League One - the problem is trying to play them all at the same time, and not having enough people around them with experience to sort out the mistakes. Pretty cack for Thomson to have to play on the left though, he must be getting cheesed off with some of the stupid roles he's been asked to fill. Stick him on the right of midfield, tell him he'll get a run of games and watch his confidence grow if he's got a pro like Murty behind him and strikers who know when and where to make runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 ive never seen thomson play well he always looks like he should have pace and take on players but he's useless I'd never seen him have a bad game in a load of reserve games until he made his first team debut, but he's MUCH better than what he's shown so far. Why his good crossing ability has deserted him at St Mary's is a mystery, reluctance to take on and beat players is easier to undersand and is purely confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 We watched time and time again players being played out of position last season. We could all see that was not the way to go and SH goes and does the same thing against Ajax. Apart from people like Wotton and perhaps Molyneux we should leave the team alone and let Pardew sort them out. JT should not have been sent on as a left winger any more than Fish started as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 We watched time and time again players being played out of position last season. We could all see that was not the way to go and SH goes and does the same thing against Ajax. Apart from people like Wotton and perhaps Molyneux we should leave the team alone and let Pardew sort them out. JT should not have been sent on as a left winger any more than Fish started as one. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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