Thedelldays Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 looking at it like that going up automatically is very possible...as is the play offs.. with signings like lambert (which does not indicate we are taking our time and consolidating) maybe the club are trying to go up first shout.. I really believe we will be in the hunt for the playoffs this season.. come novemeber/december, i would like to think we will be sitting around 10-14th and homing in on the top 6... we can do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 We can, but last Friday we were 10 points off the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 We can, but last Friday we were 10 points off the top. But everyone else still has to play Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 August, 2009 But everyone else still has to play Millwall. our first two games are against two of the better teams in this league most weeks we will play crap and should win more often than not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 our first two games are against two of the better teams in this league most weeks we will play crap and should win more often than not Is that 'we will play crap' or 'we will play like crap' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 One step at a time. 1. We need to get to zero. 2. We need to aim for midfield. Once these have been achieved we can look at promotion be it via the play-offs or automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruddick Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Hmmm interesting points if we were not only 1 game in. Calm down - lets clear the deficit, then get to mid-table, then go from there - rather the most sensible approach and the one taken by AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoozer Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Shouldn't we being aiming for goal rather than midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Ummmm should be winning it outright with that many points still available, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 One step at a time. 1. We need to get to zero. 2. We need to aim for midfield. Once these have been achieved we can look at promotion be it via the play-offs or automatic. Welcome aboard Mr Pardew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Basically, all we need to do is match what the top 6 do between now and Xmas, that will leave us around 10th at Xmas, if we can pick up a few extra points than the others, then we will sit 6 or 7 points away from the playoffs. If we are the 'top' team at Xmas, then we should already be in, or very near the play-offs. With Lambert, Patterson and Rasiak if he stays, we have 50 goals this season in the bag, I see no reason why play-offs should not be the very minimum expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthamSteve Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Let's try and keep grounded (in public) for the time being. Once we're at zero let's continue this conversation, because that is when our season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 All that matters is the next game. ...and the next.... ...and the next.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 If targets help...why not 7 games to get to zero, 17 games to get out of relegation zone, 27 games to reach mid table and that would get us to playoffs at 37 games, how many are there altogether in this league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 looking at it like that going up automatically is very possible...as is the play offs.. with signings like lambert (which does not indicate we are taking our time and consolidating) maybe the club are trying to go up first shout.. I really believe we will be in the hunt for the playoffs this season.. come novemeber/december, i would like to think we will be sitting around 10-14th and homing in on the top 6... we can do this Good positive post....... I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 looking at it like that going up automatically is very possible...as is the play offs.. with signings like lambert (which does not indicate we are taking our time and consolidating) maybe the club are trying to go up first shout.. I really believe we will be in the hunt for the playoffs this season.. come novemeber/december, i would like to think we will be sitting around 10-14th and homing in on the top 6... we can do this Last season a club needed 76 points to make the League 1 playoffs. If this season pans out in the same way you're going to need 86. Can't see it somehow. You've got too much to do on the rebuilding front this year. You'd be better off consolidating this season, and having a real good crack at it next year without the minus 10 hanging around your necks...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Last season a club needed 76 points to make the League 1 playoffs. If this season pans out in the same way you're going to need 86. Can't see it somehow. You've got too much to do on the rebuilding front this year. You'd be better off consolidating this season, and having a real good crack at it next year without the minus 10 hanging around your necks...... That may be what will happen but there is the possibility that we can gain enough points for promotion so that we can have a couple of league games against Pompey next season before their demise and our rise:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 That may be what will happen but there is the possibility that we can gain enough points for promotion so that we can have a couple of league games against Pompey next season before their demise and our rise:D Er, yes quite possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Let's get to zero as quick as we can, and then set the next target. No point really talking about finishing position at the moment. Huddersfield is another good benchmark game. Need at least one win from the Huddersfield and Swindon games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 looking at it like that going up automatically is very possible...as is the play offs.. with signings like lambert (which does not indicate we are taking our time and consolidating) maybe the club are trying to go up first shout.. I really believe we will be in the hunt for the playoffs this season.. come novemeber/december, i would like to think we will be sitting around 10-14th and homing in on the top 6... we can do this Yeah we can do it! In fact we will do it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Let's get to zero as quick as we can, and then set the next target. No point really talking about finishing position at the moment. Huddersfield is another good benchmark game. Need at least one win from the Huddersfield and Swindon games. Agreed, we should be looking for a minimum of 4 points from the next 2 games imo & then back it up with a win at home to Brentford. That would put us on minus 2 & gives us a chance of getting to 0 by the end of August which would be a very good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Let's get to zero as quick as we can, and then set the next target. No point really talking about finishing position at the moment. Huddersfield is another good benchmark game. Need at least one win from the Huddersfield and Swindon games. Please can it be Swindon then, I couldn't stand the stick up here if we lose to them, and I want to see us win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Last season a club needed 76 points to make the League 1 playoffs. If this season pans out in the same way you're going to need 86. Can't see it somehow. You've got too much to do on the rebuilding front this year. You'd be better off consolidating this season, and having a real good crack at it next year without the minus 10 hanging around your necks...... 74 points and decent goal difference (which we would likely to have if we win 84 points) would have got play off last year. Leicester, Peterborough, MK Dons and Leeds all had 84 points last year or more. Also interestingly, Millwall -who we more than matched in our first game, had 82. It looks like we will have a team as good as anyone by the end of the transfer window. I really don't see how we could possibly be better off not going for it?:confused: If we are competing come January I would expect some decent loan fees etc for that extra push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonbenali Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Still 9 points inside the relegation zone - we're doomed even last season we weren't that far behind! Get in a big CB and CM and will start getting even more excited after lambert and the full backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 5 weeks ago we didn't think we would have a football club. Targets are critical in life but als o have to be realistic. I'm absolutely fine to have a target of "mid table" by Christmas. It means that the new regime have stopped what has basically been a 6 year demise. It THEN gives us the platform with the January window to add the missing bits of the jigsaw puzzle and make a push. We went all out once before from day one and spent a fortune. THAT didn't buy success, so it's about planning, review and careful adjustments to the rudder. I have a feeling that we wil get a shot at the playoffs, but we need to aim there in steps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 Yeah we can do it! In fact we will do it!! I see your sense of seriousness failure is ongoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 With a couple of signing zero points in 3 games time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 With a couple of signing zero points in 3 games time That's only 10 days away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 12 August, 2009 Share Posted 12 August, 2009 When things go well it feels weird and slightly scary. You also got this looming feeling of impending doom? That's just Saints for you, hopefully that doesn't happen to us anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 (edited) Talk of new signings/loanees in January is a bit negative, and not going to motivate the current team. I hope AP isn't taking that view. If the current team (strengthened a bit over the next couple of weeks, of course) get to mid-table or better by December, they deserve a crack at promotion. Only change in January if we're not doing well, or cover for injuries. Our biggest problem at the moment is lack of motivation, confidence and continuity. Edited 13 August, 2009 by hutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Bottom line is that you need a very good start. Realistically, if you're not much more than 10-12 points off the playoff places in January, I'd say you have a chance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Do you think a graphic on the big screen at St. Marys knocking off the deducted points as we win our matches would be an added spur(sorry about that word) to the players and the fans with appropriate stirring Saints music i.e. The Saints are coming....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Do you think a graphic on the big screen at St. Marys knocking off the deducted points as we win our matches would be an added spur(sorry about that word) to the players and the fans with appropriate stirring Saints music i.e. The Saints are coming....? Not if we are on a Minus Number in October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Do you think a graphic on the big screen at St. Marys knocking off the deducted points as we win our matches would be an added spur(sorry about that word) to the players and the fans with appropriate stirring Saints music i.e. The Saints are coming....? Great idea IMO but I'm sure some on here will mock it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Great idea IMO but I'm sure some on here will mock it! True TBF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 True TBF! Did you just agree with yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 The play-offs are definitely achievable, but it shouldn't be taken for granted on the back of beating a league 2 side and drawing a home game. What happens if Lambet gets injured? Huddersfield will be a much better test on Saturday. I agree we should first aim to get to zero points and then take the rest of the season in little batches of 5-6 games and set our targets accordingly. Until the end of the window, we don't know how our squad will shape up. If we can't shift Saga off the wage bill, then our options for new blood might be limited. We've made a good start and all three of our signings look to be quality, but it's very, very early to be talking of promotion. We made a decent start last season don't forget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurleyBurley Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I never understand all this talk of 'we should aim for the play-offs/midtable/ win the league etc...' It's a very simple game, we are playing football matches, we should go into every game aiming to win. Targeting league positions means nothing, aim to win every game (we aren't going to achieve this aim every week) and see where we end up. simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 would like to see us back to zero asap as a few have pointed out a good start is a must if we are going to be in the play off mix I have no doubt we are on the right track we must and will strengthen our squad before the window shuts. This is a much harder league than when Leeds overturned a -15 points deduction to make the play offs and will be a big ask but if we can momentum going who knows if I am honest I would accept upper mid table with promotion for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I never understand all this talk of 'we should aim for the play-offs/midtable/ win the league etc...' It's a very simple game, we are playing football matches, we should go into every game aiming to win. Targeting league positions means nothing, aim to win every game (we aren't going to achieve this aim every week) and see where we end up. simple Agreed .....Aiming for any league position other than the top, just means we'll be aiming to 'lose' a few games.............Far better to take each game as it comes and 'aim' to WIN each one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcjmcsfc16 Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 agree!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 the thing is that even if we beat H.Pool we will still be 12 points away from a play-off spot, at the minute the immediate aim has to be to cancel out the -10(9), get out of the bottom 3 and then, fingers crossed be in the chasing pack around christmas. is the current squad good enough to be mid-table by christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 What was our best ever start to a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I never understand all this talk of 'we should aim for the play-offs/midtable/ win the league etc...' It's a very simple game, we are playing football matches, we should go into every game aiming to win. Targeting league positions means nothing, aim to win every game (we aren't going to achieve this aim every week) and see where we end up. simple You took the words out of the fingers on my keyboard ! Anybody can have a 'target' (normally it's to win the Champion's League!) but what is needed is a 'strategy' (ie. a clearly defined policy on who to buy, how to motivate, training methods, team formation etc, etc..) and after this you play with the intention of beating every opponent you meet ! If you get the strategy right, then there is every chance that you will do well and achieve a high position in the league but 'setting targets' per se can be counter productive IMO !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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