Saganowski

[Saint Charlie]

 

A dive apart did absolutely nothing. Hasn't scored for ages and doesn't look like scoring as he doesn't get into any good positions.

 

No pace, no creativity, no class.

 

Waigo did more in 15mins than Saga has all season. No wonder nobody wanted to take him off our hands.

 

And to think he has been paid a f*****g fortune by Saints in the last few years.

[AlfredKo]

 

A dive apart did absolutely nothing. Hasn't scored for ages and doesn't look like scoring as he doesn't get into any good positions.

 

No pace, no creativity, no class.

 

Waigo did more in 15mins than Saga has all season. No wonder nobody wanted to take him off our hands.

 

And to think he has been paid a f*****g fortune by Saints in the last few years.

 

He was bloody good against Brimingham.

[saintlrp]

he made alot of good runs yesterday , inbetween defenders , service was poor all game , he worked hard 2 , he'll start scoring when we actually create a chance , or 2 , do u think lambert looked like scoring yesterday ? cause apart from pens , he never .

[RonManager]

He was bloody good against Brimingham.

 

The whole team was - the reason we were a bit short on scoring chances yesterday was because he simply failed to perform. He was given a start and I think we all thought that he would feed off Lambert and either shoot or create from there. But it just didn't happen. He seemed to not anticipate the knock downs, unlike the covering defender who always got to the ball first. I think he is overweight and, maybe, just maybe, his legs have gone.

 

Sad, because I do like him.

[Joesaint]

Don't agree at all, thought he was very good and a great touch and passes well as well as having good work rate.

Thank god your not the manager.

Thought Pappa was great but we really need hom on the wing I think.

 

My thinking anyway, COYR

[SaintRichmond]

he made alot of good runs yesterday , inbetween defenders , service was poor all game , he worked hard 2 , he'll start scoring when we actually create a chance , or 2 , do u think lambert looked like scoring yesterday ? cause apart from pens , he never .

 

Saga and Lambert are suffering from "Mid Week Church Syndrome" ...

 

 

...... NO SERVICE

[Arizona]

I don't get people calling him sh*t when he blatently isn't. He just isn't, we've all seen what he can do.

 

Not scoring and out of form, but that can be rectified by decent coaching and a bit of effort on his behalf.

[Saint Charlie]

Just can't believe people still rate him after 2 years of doing nothing. He is obviously a sound player technically but shows no urgency or desire to actually affect the game! As for Papa on the wing, why play him there? Have him where his pace will 2use the most problems and where he doesn't have to track back. Lambert wins all the flick ons but Saga doesnt get onto them. I think Papa would.

[brightspark]

Has Southampton had any great providers and creative players that frequently give these strikers chances in the past 2 years? Nuh-uh. The last player we had here that had any vision was Skacel, but he played at Full Back!!! Before that it was arguably Inigo Idiakez. When Skacel and Idiakez played in the midfield.... Saga was scoring!!!

 

It would seem that Schniederlin has the potential to put through great through balls - maybe he needs to take a few more risks? Could Mills start playing on the wing and delivering balls to the box? Also, what about Waigo - could he be a wing/creative option on the right?

 

There is hope, with the players we have, that service will soon be resumed and the goals will start coming rapidly. I think with confidence and belief we can actually win, better service will come. Now we have a win, players may start playing better - start creating more - start scoring more - etc

[Saint_Jonny]

Hes not **** dont be so ridiculous. The only thing he suffers from is consistency (confidence?) Whenever hes scored a goal he always seems to go on a bit of a run (preston at home last season sparked it last time, and remember how sublime he was that day?) We'd be far worse off without him in the squad.

[fish fingers]

I don't get people calling him sh*t when he blatently isn't. He just isn't, we've all seen what he can do.

 

Not scoring and out of form, but that can be rectified by decent coaching and a bit of effort on his behalf.

 

I would say he blatently is ****, the only time we have seen him do anything was when he was playing for a contract.

[Torres]

I really don't know how much longer he's going to live off that one brilliant spell he had with us. Since that most purple of purple patches he's been average, at best.

[Saint_Jonny]

This is what hes capable of:

 

[NorthamSteve]

I don't get people calling him sh*t when he blatently isn't. He just isn't, we've all seen what he can do.

 

Not scoring and out of form, but that can be rectified by decent coaching and a bit of effort on his behalf.

 

That's my problem with him, we know he has some quality but only seems interested in 15 mins of each game.

[Saint Charlie]

Also who has said he was ****? I didnt in the OP and thats the problem. As Torres said, why should he be given loads of time when DMG last season was hated yet he scored goals and created some of them for himself. Saga is a pale imitation of the player we signed. He doesnt want to be here according to his website and offers nothing to the team even in league one. Why the patience with him? He will never play well for us and needs to move on. Its best for us and him.

[Dig Dig]

Worked hard and chased the ball down well,I thought his touch and passing was awful though.

 

We need to improve the service to the front two whoever plays, we barely created anything and much of the game seemed to bypass the midfield. Until this is sorted I think any front two would struggle imo.

[derry]

Because of the lack of balance in the team and the obsession with finding somewhere for Lallana to play, together with the ponderous James on the other side, we have no width, no pace, don't get down the touchlines and provide nothing in the way of chances to the strikers.

 

Until we get a quick wide right player Waigo would be an option whilst Holmes/Mills should be picked on the left.

 

Pardew is sacrificing the balance and the possibility of scoring goals from play by playing Lallana and James because both play nearer the centre of the field than wide allowing the fullbacks to close up with the centre backs and stifle the strikers.

 

Neither Hammond or Schneiderlin commit themselves to runs from the centre so the opponents midfielders together with the compacted defence can reinforce and outnumber our attackers.

 

Now that we have two strong centre backs we don't need two central midfielders sitting in front of them.

 

We have scored a paltry 7 goals in 8 league matches and only 2 from play, unless we sort this out we won't score enough goals.

[S-Clarke]

Personally i thought he put in a good shift yesterday, but it's glaringly obvious that he's lacking confidence and even fitness IMO.

 

If you give him the service (which is the key!!!) then he will score bags of goals at this level. Heck...he was scoring in the champions league this time last year, he's good enough to be a regular for us.

 

At the moment our attack is a bit lop-sided and unbalanced, players like Saga do not benefit from the long ball game but once we start injecting a bit of pace and width into our game, he'll come good.

 

Name me a better striker with a similar pedigree we could get if he goes? No one imo - we're lucky to still have him, so let's bloody well support him.

[Arizona]

I would say he blatently is ****, the only time we have seen him do anything was when he was playing for a contract.

 

He was pretty effective at Leigia Warsaw

 

And at Lodz

 

And at Vitoria

 

And at Aalborg last season

 

And when he came back and scored 6 in 7 games.

 

But yes, appart from those 6 instances and his 13 year international career, he has always been sh*t.

[macthesaint]

I dont get the dive thing.

I was in the Northam and it looked a stupid challenge from the defender as it would have run out for a goal kick.Saga threw his head back to make sure,but you cant stick youre leg out like the defender did.

Anyway Yeovil were pants and deserved nothing from the game.

[Torres]

I would say he blatently is ****, the only time we have seen him do anything was when he was playing for a contract.

 

He was pretty effective at Leigia Warsaw

 

And at Lodz

 

And at Vitoria

 

And at Aalborg last season

 

And when he came back and scored 6 in 7 games.

 

But yes, appart from those 6 instances and his 13 year international career, he has always been sh*t.

 

He's scored at a rate of less than 1 goal per 5 appearances for us since we gave him a nice juicy contract, so when FF says he's pretty much been **** for us, he's not far off.

 

I don't give a crap how many he scored for Lodz, Wislaw Plock, Odra Wodzisław or anyone else. He's been here for long enough to show us what he can (or actually can't) do.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I inwardly groan every time I hear his name announced in the starting 11 , a poor to average striker long past his (criminally inconsistent) best I'm sorry to say . Looking at his recent home performances (I didn't see his supposed good game against Brum City) he looks like he's weeks if not months away from his next Saints goal . Having said all that no honest observer could say the blokes not trying his best for us but to be brutally frank his best just doesn't cut it anymore .

 

If Papa Waigo is half as good as his brief cameo appearances suggests he might be then Saga's playing days here may well be numbered .

 

What really rubs it in is that he's quite probably the best paid member of the squad , while that's not his fault in value for money terms he must represent an atrocious investment for this club .

[Arizona]

He's scored at a rate of less than 1 goal per 5 appearances for us since we gave him a nice juicy contract, so when FF says he's pretty much been **** for us, he's not far off.

 

I don't give a crap how many he scored for Lodz, Wislaw Plock, Odra Wodzisław or anyone else. He's been here for long enough to show us what he can (or actually can't) do.

 

He has. Twice in 2 years infact. He just hasn't done it consistently. The fact that the 2 years since he signed have been relegation battles with poor teams might have had an effect on his form.

 

The only better options we've had in that period were John and Rasiak, who have both moved on to higher league sides. Now we have Lambert too, but lets see how Saga performs in the new look team before we throw him on the scrap heap.

 

I don't think Euell, BWP, DMG, Pericard, Paterson or Robertson can do better than 1 in 5.

[alpine_saint]

Another crap thread.

 

Saganowski will score if the incompetent f**kwits like Lallana and Schneiderlin give him service.

[Clifford Nelson]

Because of the lack of balance in the team and the obsession with finding somewhere for Lallana to play, together with the ponderous James on the other side, we have no width, no pace, don't get down the touchlines and provide nothing in the way of chances to the strikers.

 

Until we get a quick wide right player Waigo would be an option whilst Holmes/Mills should be picked on the left.

 

Pardew is sacrificing the balance and the possibility of scoring goals from play by playing Lallana and James because both play nearer the centre of the field than wide allowing the fullbacks to close up with the centre backs and stifle the strikers.

 

Neither Hammond or Schneiderlin commit themselves to runs from the centre so the opponents midfielders together with the compacted defence can reinforce and outnumber our attackers.

 

Now that we have two strong centre backs we don't need two central midfielders sitting in front of them.

 

We have scored a paltry 7 goals in 8 league matches and only 2 from play, unless we sort this out we won't score enough goals.

 

I agree that neither James nor Lallana are wingers. Since we have a couple of left wingers in Fish and Holmes that should at least be the starting point. You can live with only one winger, but not without any.

 

The next question is who plays with Hammond in the centre. Hammond should be encouraged to make the runs, but somebody is to sit behind him, and on yesterdays performance, and to be honest on all his performances I've seen, it isn't Schneiderlin who I now consider sadly overrated. Yesterday he struggled to get any passes to a team mate, although his tackling had improved a little. To be honest I think I prefer James in the middle of the park as a more defensive CM.

[Saint Charlie]

Another crap thread.

 

Saganowski will score if the incompetent f**kwits like Lallana and Schneiderlin give him service.

 

 

Is it enough for strikers only to score when the ball is on a plate for them? Shouldn't they look to also create a chance for themselves? Shouldn't they make good runs for the midfield players to find them?

 

Tell me one moment yesterday when Saga made a good run only for the so-alled ****wits to not give him the service?

 

Answer (because Im guessing you didnt actually see the game): He didnt. He runs about a bit which please some people but its not good enough. He is a passenger at the moment.

[Weston Saint]

I would have Saganowski up front with Lambert every time but he has to be the workhorse.

 

My side:

 

----------------Davis-------------------

 

Murty (Thomas)-- Trotman-- Jaidi-- Harding

 

-------------Hammond--------------

 

Waigo-----------Lallana----------Holmes (Mills)

 

----------Saganowski -- Lambert-----------

[AlfredKo]

I would have Saganowski up front with Lambert every time but he has to be the workhorse.

 

My side:

 

----------------Davis-------------------

 

Murty (Thomas)-- Trotman-- Jaidi-- Harding

 

-------------Hammond--------------

 

Waigo-----------Lallana----------Holmes (Mills)

 

----------Saganowski -- Lambert-----------

 

 

442 diamond?? Wellcome back, Mark Wotte.

[niceandfriendly]

I agree with most on this thread in saying that he put in a good shift against Yeovil. He actually looked like he cared yesterday and was making some decent runs and closing the ball down. Once he gets some service he'll score goals, we all know that.

[up and away]

He has. Twice in 2 years infact. He just hasn't done it consistently. The fact that the 2 years since he signed have been relegation battles with poor teams might have had an effect on his form.

 

The only better options we've had in that period were John and Rasiak, who have both moved on to higher league sides. Now we have Lambert too, but lets see how Saga performs in the new look team before we throw him on the scrap heap.

 

I don't think Euell, BWP, DMG, Pericard, Paterson or Robertson can do better than 1 in 5.

 

It is laughable to compare a player like DMG with Saga, one went for £1M in the midst of a fire sale, the other we can't shift for love nor money!

 

Saga has three major problems, he is too slow, he cannot create space for himself and he does not have the vision. Being slow is not the be all and end all, as Teddy Sheringham has demonstrated, but take away the football brain and what are you left with.

 

Saga makes some very intelligent runs, but when you do not have the pace or vision to do anything with those runs, even when you get the ball, there is very little point. Dropping down to League 1, Saga should be mullahing these defences if he was anywhere near good. He looks no different in League 1, CCC or playing for Aalborg. Not to forget this current run of form was an exact replica of his time in Farnce, the reason we got him on loan.

 

When pardew started praising saga to the high heavens, I thought fair enough, work with him and lets see what you can get out of him! Now we have a different problem, who and where best fits into our playing 11? Every position I look, it just adds a negative against him. We shall see from Pardew's early praise, whether he has a change of mind as he did with Wooton.

[benjii]

I would have Saganowski up front with Lambert every time but he has to be the workhorse.

 

My side:

 

----------------Davis-------------------

 

Murty (Thomas)-- Trotman-- Jaidi-- Harding

 

-------------Hammond--------------

 

Waigo-----------Lallana----------Holmes (Mills)

 

----------Saganowski -- Lambert-----------

 

I like the look of that - we have the quality to play an attacking set up.

[krissyboy31]

Another crap thread.

 

Saganowski will score if the incompetent f**kwits like Lallana and Schneiderlin give him service.

 

Your talking carp!! Saganowski saw loads of the ball yesterday but nearly always in an off-side position.

[John B]

I like the look of that - we have the quality to play an attacking set up.

 

I like that formation but having never seen Papa I dont know if that is his best position

[Thedelldays]

Your talking carp!! Saganowski saw loads of the ball yesterday but nearly always in an off-side position.

to be fair..lambert does not score...and at the mo would not if it wasnt for dead ball situations...would be different if sagga was the penalty taker

[S-Clarke]

I like that formation but having never seen Papa I dont know if that is his best position

 

He did get wide-right a few times yesterday when in possession, took on and ran at the full backs etc - not sure if that's what pards instructed him to do, but he looked very capable.

[Hopkins]

Another crap thread.

 

Saganowski will score if the incompetent f**kwits like Lallana and Schneiderlin give him service.

 

You are one really anyone bloke.

 

Morgan yesterday was pure class. His touch and passing range is above anyone else in this league.

 

Lallana's touch also is sublime. They would walk into any team in this league and the majority of Championship teams. You're hatred for Lallana seems to be based upon him not being able to take a corner as that is all I ever see you slate him for.

 

You're opinions are based on peoples reports because you don't actually watch games yourself (DO NOT REPLY, I SAW THEM ONCE AND THEY WERE ****E). When you can watch enough games to form an opinion based on your own views and not reports from other people then please come back.

 

Otherwise do shut up.

[alpine_saint]

You are one really anyone bloke.

 

Morgan yesterday was pure class. His touch and passing range is above anyone else in this league.

 

Lallana's touch also is sublime. They would walk into any team in this league and the majority of Championship teams. You're hatred for Lallana seems to be based upon him not being able to take a corner as that is all I ever see you slate him for.

 

You're opinions are based on peoples reports because you don't actually watch games yourself (DO NOT REPLY, I SAW THEM ONCE AND THEY WERE ****E). When you can watch enough games to form an opinion based on your own views and not reports from other people then please come back.

 

Otherwise do shut up.

 

Oh, wow, someone else spouting the same p*ssing contest nonsense.

 

You obviously know absolutely jack-sh*t about football if you think our midfield is doing the business.

[Saint Charlie]

Its an easy cop out when not scoring to say the midfield aren't creating any chances for you.

 

When did Saga last score? Has he not had any chances since then? Why doesn't he make runs so the midfield can pick him out? Why doesn't he try to get free, or take his man on?

 

What does he actually bring to the team?

[Thedelldays]

Its an easy cop out when not scoring to say the midfield aren't creating any chances for you.

 

When did Saga last score? Has he not had any chances since then? Why doesn't he make runs so the midfield can pick him out? Why doesn't he try to get free, or take his man on?

 

What does he actually bring to the team?

 

you could say, apart from set pieces, when did lambert score..?

 

wasnt it in the league cup against league 2 northampton..?

what if sagga was the penalty taker..?

[Hopkins]

I didn't say our midfield is doing the business did I? Berk.

 

I said Morgan and Lallana are not imcompetent ****s. They have class touches and although I agree Lallana needs to create a bit more and work on his final product (although he's improved alot this season), they are two of the better players in this league.

 

Also, it is not the same ****ing contest nonsense. It is fact. It is fact you do not watch games. It is fact your opinions are based on other peoples reports and assumptions.

 

You simply cannot have a respected opinion on something you do not observe yourself. So instead of claiming people are imcompetent ****s, maybe you should stop going about and making wild assumptions/accusations and comments on players peformances when you simply have not seen it yourself.

[John B]

Oh, wow, someone else spouting the same p*ssing contest nonsense.

 

You obviously know absolutely jack-sh*t about football if you think our midfield is doing the business.

 

Exactly it is really rather worrying that with strikers like Lambert and Saga we are not scorin enough goals like I suggested in a thread last week

[derry]

I agree that neither James nor Lallana are wingers. Since we have a couple of left wingers in Fish and Holmes that should at least be the starting point. You can live with only one winger, but not without any.

 

The next question is who plays with Hammond in the centre. Hammond should be encouraged to make the runs, but somebody is to sit behind him, and on yesterdays performance, and to be honest on all his performances I've seen, it isn't Schneiderlin who I now consider sadly overrated. Yesterday he struggled to get any passes to a team mate, although his tackling had improved a little. To be honest I think I prefer James in the middle of the park as a more defensive CM.

 

The reason Schneiderlin isn't effective at the moment is the narrow way we play. His first reaction is to release the ball wide and back it up. As Lallana and James don't have the first idea how to play a wide midfield role there is nobody wide so the ball goes long, inside or backwards.

 

It is bloody hopeless and until we get two wide players we are going nowhere. Now we have a decent back four, we don't need comfort zone midfielders sitting, we need the team moving up and back as a unit attacking with 6/7 and defending with the same numbers.

 

Hammond, Schneiderlin and anybody else who plays in midfield needs to start getting up to support the strikers, but to do that the wide players have to get down the flanks.

 

Lallana either needs to be played alongside Lambert if they want him to play or leave him out. The way he plays is a fundamental impediment to us scoring sufficient goals to win the majority of our matches.

[madsent]

you could say, apart from set pieces, when did lambert score..?

 

wasnt it in the league cup against league 2 northampton..?

what if sagga was the penalty taker..?

 

If Saga was our penalty taker, we'd have lost at Stockport and drawn against Yeovil. I've never seen someone so good at missing the goal by inches. His record of 1 in 5 is poor enough but his inability to shoot on target is his biggest weakness and that's when he actually shoots which is an occurrence that is becoming rarer every game.

[alpine_saint]

I didn't say our midfield is doing the business did I? Berk.

 

I said Morgan and Lallana are not imcompetent ****s. They have class touches and although I agree Lallana needs to create a bit more and work on his final product (although he's improved alot this season), they are two of the better players in this league.

 

Also, it is not the same ****ing contest nonsense. It is fact. It is fact you do not watch games. It is fact your opinions are based on other peoples reports and assumptions.

 

You simply cannot have a respected opinion on something you do not observe yourself. So instead of claiming people are imcompetent ****s, maybe you should stop going about and making wild assumptions/accusations and comments on players peformances when you simply have not seen it yourself.

 

I have seen Saints play twice this season so far.

 

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[alpine_saint]

If Saga was our penalty taker, we'd have lost at Stockport and drawn against Yeovil. I've never seen someone so good at missing the goal by inches. His record of 1 in 5 is poor enough but his inability to shoot on target is his biggest weakness and that's when he actually shoots which is an occurrence that is becoming rarer every game.

 

What a load of rot.

[Torres]

I have seen Saints play twice this season so far.

 

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

 

More than enough to fully evaluate a player's contributions then.

[Torres]

He has. Twice in 2 years infact. He just hasn't done it consistently.

 

He has done it consistently. Sadly, what he's done consistently is be crap. Two hot streaks in 2 1/2 years, during which he has scored 16 of his total 19 goals for us, us just not enough to justify his continued presence in the side. Take the second streak out of it and he has scored 3 goals in the remaining 43 games since signing perm, for crying out loud. That is simply awful.

 

Now we have Lambert too, but lets see how Saga performs in the new look team before we throw him on the scrap heap.

 

Well there's been no sign that he's actually getting better in this new look team.

 

I don't think Euell, BWP, DMG, Pericard, Paterson or Robertson can do better than 1 in 5.

 

Neither would I, nor you, but that's not a great reason for continuing to pick him, is it?

[crouchi]

Wasn't Lambert in midfield yesterday? Saga was the only one really forward, but he spent most of the time facing or playing the wrong way. We only pressed Yeovil back when Waigo came on and started running into space and being available for the through ball.

[S-Clarke]

Wasn't Lambert in midfield yesterday? Saga was the only one really forward, but he spent most of the time facing or playing the wrong way. We only pressed Yeovil back when Waigo came on and started running into space and being available for the through ball.

 

He keeps dropping deep in our home games, simply because he has to come and get the ball, our attacking play doesn't feed the ball to him (which it should do!)

 

That's our only problem at the moment, Pard's has also acknowledged it which has put me at ease...we'll get it right, but at least he's still trying to make an impact. He's got a v good touch too.

[Arizona]

He has done it consistently. Sadly, what he's done consistently is be crap. Two hot streaks in 2 1/2 years, during which he has scored 16 of his total 19 goals for us, us just not enough to justify his continued presence in the side. Take the second streak out of it and he has scored 3 goals in the remaining 43 games since signing perm, for crying out loud. That is simply awful.

 

Oh this is brilliant. "In the two seasons he has spent playing for Saints, if you take away the scoring patch when he first came here, then take away the scoring patch he went through last season, he hasn't scored very many." Why not just go the whole hog and knock off the two he scored at the start of the 07/08 season and that one against Sheff Utd?

 

If we're going to just blank bit of his Saints career out then: "Ignoring the 07/08 season, Saga has been our top scorer in every spell he has been here."

 

Just out of interest why is the 10 goals in 13 starts when he first joined regarded as a flash in the pan, whilst the 3 goals in 15 starts 2 years ago are used to define his Saints career?

 

Well there's been no sign that he's actually getting better in this new look team.

 

Maybe I'm going soft, but I'd like to give him more than 4 starts to prove himself.

 

Neither would I, nor you, but that's not a great reason for continuing to pick him, is it?

 

Who would you pick instead. Paterson has, the Millwall game aside, looked nowhere near ready for the first team. Papa hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe HCDAJFU up front, but I'd rather have some pace out wide.