hypochondriac Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 How many have we scored from open play this season? Lambert is obviously a threat but other than than I feel we really need someone to partner him (give Waigo longer maybe?). Do you think the problem is the service to the strikers or the strikers themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 How many have we scored from open play this season? Lambert is obviously a threat but other than than I feel we really need someone to partner him (give Waigo longer maybe?). Do you think the problem is the service to the strikers or the strikers themselves? speed of our approach play is problem imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Same as last week perhaps? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16597 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Service. There is no way Lembert is suddenly crap. I wont go over the Sagnowski debate again, but Lambert's form alone is proof we just aren't carving out chances. We need pace, width and more agressive, quicker thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Service. There is no way Lembert is suddenly crap. I wont go over the Sagnowski debate again, but Lambert's form alone is proof we just aren't carving out chances. QUOTE] I agree but if we dont score a few soon Lambert may come under pressure to score and that wont be helpful. Why cant we play with the same strike force regularly it may help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Three league goals from play in nine games one from Harding is disgraceful. Lack of width and pace are the main problem but nothing changes and we can't score from play. Until the manager sorts it, but at the moment there is little sign, it will continue to blight our recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Three league goals from play in nine games one from Harding is disgraceful. Lack of width and pace are the main problem but nothing changes and we can't score from play. Until the manager sorts it, but at the moment there is little sign, it will continue to blight our recovery. The transfer window is shut, what do you want him to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Three league goals from play in nine games one from Harding is disgraceful. Lack of width and pace are the main problem but nothing changes and we can't score from play. Until the manager sorts it, but at the moment there is little sign, it will continue to blight our recovery. and we are progressing....so we are told.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 and we are progressing....so we are told.. Unfortunately Delldays you can't see the progress for yourself, so you have to rely on being told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Unfortunately Delldays you can't see the progress for yourself, so you have to rely on being told. what does that mean..? have we been brilliant...were we brilliant against yeovil, colchester..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 and we are progressing....so we are told.. Of course we are progressing. The club has been on a slide for years, our defence has been awful. The first thing to do when rebuilding a team is sort the defence out. We look an awful lot stronger now. Goals will come in time, but the first priority was to make us hard to beat. That must be what, six games now since we last lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 It seems that unless you go to the match your not allowed to be annoyed at not winning/not scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 what does that mean..? have we been brilliant...were we brilliant against yeovil, colchester..? No, but we have been progressing. What's difficult to understand about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 No, but we have been progressing. What's difficult to understand about that? because I dont agree 100% maybe..? do I have to agree with it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 because I dont agree 100% maybe..? do I have to agree with it..? No, but as Scummer said, we are now hard to beat. It's a good f*cking start after the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Of course we are progressing. The club has been on a slide for years, our defence has been awful. The first thing to do when rebuilding a team is sort the defence out. We look an awful lot stronger now. Goals will come in time, but the first priority was to make us hard to beat. That must be what, six games now since we last lost? Surely we want a team which wins and excites us not a boring one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 How many have we scored from open play this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 How many have we scored from open play this season? 3 (one of which was from harding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Surely we want a team which wins and excites us not a boring one After the past few seasons, I'm just happy to stabilise for the time being. Some people want everything yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 No, but as Scummer said, we are now hard to beat. It's a good f*cking start after the last few years. I think I was hoping for a bit more to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 How many have we scored from open play this season? That's because we have not finished rebuilding, as the defence needed a complete makeover and we didn't have a lot of time in which to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Surely we want a team which wins and excites us not a boring one I'd settle this season for a team which does enough not to be relegated. I'll be more demanding next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 That's because we have not finished rebuilding, as the defence needed a complete makeover and we didn't have a lot of time in which to do it. you would think that what we have was ample to score more than 3 goals from open play in 9 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 3 is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I'd settle this season for a team which does enough not to be relegated. I'll be more demanding next year. We wont get relegated but I want the team to play more positively thats all Still not sure about Lallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Of course we are progressing. The club has been on a slide for years, our defence has been awful. The first thing to do when rebuilding a team is sort the defence out. We look an awful lot stronger now. Goals will come in time, but the first priority was to make us hard to beat. That must be what, six games now since we last lost? We have been drawing too many though which has plighted us for the last few years. Can't think of the last time we strung 4-5 wins together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 The transfer window is shut, what do you want him to do? Initially Holmes wide left, N'Diaye wide right, then a loan wide right and if Holmes isn't doing the job a loan wide left, The loan window closes 26th Nov and we can play up to 5 loans at any one time. There is no criteria stopping us bringing in loans except balancing the books and getting players out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 you would think that what we have was ample to score more than 3 goals from open play in 9 games Seeing 3 and 9 there Delldays I once saw Saints win 9 3 against Wolves (in one game not nine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Initially Holmes wide left, N'Diaye wide right, then a loan wide right and if Holmes isn't doing the job a loan wide left, The loan window closes 26th Nov and we can play up to 5 loans at any one time. There is no criteria stopping us bringing in loans except balancing the books and getting players out. Mills doesn't deserve to be dropped IMO, he's been one of our most direct and dangerous players so far. I kind of agree with regards to N'Diaye, but I think he'd be more effective up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Initially Holmes wide left, N'Diaye wide right, then a loan wide right and if Holmes isn't doing the job a loan wide left, The loan window closes 26th Nov and we can play up to 5 loans at any one time. There is no criteria stopping us bringing in loans except balancing the books and getting players out. That is a bit short term though what happens when the loan ends we had that problem with Cork last season Perhaps Ryan Smith is available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Service. There is no way Lembert is suddenly crap. I wont go over the Sagnowski debate again, but Lambert's form alone is proof we just aren't carving out chances. We need pace, width and more agressive, quicker thinking. Opik - could probably talk the ball into the net... Tis a matter of time - two home games now, I still think we'll see the goals flooding in towardws the latter part of the season. Foreign players need to find their feet, so Papa has an excuse. Saga just needs a run in the team. Lallana is a good player, but I'd still rather have two out and out strikers up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I'm not convinced by Lallana either. So do people think it's a service problem or a striker problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I'm not convinced by Lallana either. So do people think it's a service problem or a striker problem? Both. We haven't got enough creativity in midfield and up front Lambert is having to do everything on his own (ala Torres at Liverpool, difference being Torres is a world class striker) therefore he cannot get the chances on goal like he did at Rovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 It's not the bloody rebuilding FFS it's the fact we lack width and pace down the flanks. That is something the management could sort by making the players play wide. But shoehorning unsuitable favourite players lacking the ability to get down the lines and cross in these positions is most of the problem. Sooner or later they are going to have to leave them out and bring in proper replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Both. We haven't got enough creativity in midfield and up front Lambert is having to do everything on his own (ala Torres at Liverpool, difference being Torres is a world class striker) therefore he cannot get the chances on goal like he did at Rovers. I wish we'd signed that Brighton striker. The we could play Papa right and those 2 up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Well I will say it, sod it, but I think AP's determination to play Lallana is actually harming us and our chances of scoring at the moment. To accomodate him we either play only one up front, usually away, or we sacrifice a wide player at home, cos Lallana will not stay out wide, mainly becaue he is not a wide player. He is not a forward, he is not a wide midfielder, I still struggle to work out exactly what he is. Sometimes he looks good, sometimes he looks average, he is a luxury player and I dont think we can afford luxury players at the moment. Ok, he has scored a couple but he will not be a prolific scorere cos, as I said, he is not a forward. Now our previous luxury player was a different kettle of fish altogether cos he could win a game single handedly, Adam will not do that IMHO. I would drop him for 3 or 4 games, go with 2 up front adn 2 genuine wide players and lets see what happens....cos at the moment the Lallana must be fitted in somewhere plan is not working ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 That is a bit short term though what happens when the loan ends we had that problem with Cork last season Perhaps Ryan Smith is available The problem is for this Tuesday not Christmas. Sort it short term then find the long term solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I'm not convinced by Lallana either. So do people think it's a service problem or a striker problem? Service.......the fact that Lambert isn't getting enough chances says it all as we know he can score bags full in this league. We need width and the central pair have to make more runs beyond the forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Mills doesn't deserve to be dropped IMO, he's been one of our most direct and dangerous players so far. I kind of agree with regards to N'Diaye, but I think he'd be more effective up front. Fine but we still aren't scoring with him there and he is a fullback and shows it. You asked me what I wanted them to do. N'Diaye is an unknown quantity so nobody really knows, but he might give Lambert and Saganowski the help to start scoring. Neither have managed a league goal yet this season from play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Well I will say it, sod it, but I think AP's determination to play Lallana is actually harming us and our chances of scoring at the moment. To accomodate him we either play only one up front, usually away, or we sacrifice a wide player at home, cos Lallana will not stay out wide, mainly becaue he is not a wide player. He is not a forward, he is not a wide midfielder, I still struggle to work out exactly what he is. Sometimes he looks good, sometimes he looks average, he is a luxury player and I dont think we can afford luxury players at the moment. Ok, he has scored a couple but he will not be a prolific scorere cos, as I said, he is not a forward. Now our previous luxury player was a different kettle of fish altogether cos he could win a game single handedly, Adam will not do that IMHO. I would drop him for 3 or 4 games, go with 2 up front adn 2 genuine wide players and lets see what happens....cos at the moment the Lallana must be fitted in somewhere plan is not working ! It will have to happen, they are just putting off the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Service.......the fact that Lambert isn't getting enough chances says it all as we know he can score bags full in this league. We need width and the central pair have to make more runs beyond the forwards And to do that they need the time made by the ball going down the lines. Whacking balls up to the strikers means they can't get forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Personally , I think the midfield is the problem, or it doesnt suit Lamberts way of playing. To me Lambert plays very deep trying to bolster the centre of the park and then we break his isnt where he should be. We either sort out the midfield, or play 3 strikers with Lambert playing just behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKimish Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Saints haven't scored in the first ten minutes of a match for 68 games now. We last scored early on in February 2008. I think one problem with our team is how long it takes the players to settle into the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 It worries me that we seem to lack a cutting edge from open play, Adam isn't helping either. He's an odd-ball of a player, he's not a winger, not a midfielder and not a striker - what on gods earth is he? where can he play? I said at the start of the season that i think he should be on the bench for the first few weeks, until we start getting a winning habit going. He's a luxury and when you're stuttering in L1, luxury players are the last thing you need. I still believe we lack a real out and out right winger - Papa may be the answer, but no one knows. That's why Gradel would have been excellent for us...someone proven at this level, with pace and natural wide-play. It's amazing what a difference it would make to our attacking play if we had 2 wide players on the pitch. I have seen the noticable improvement in our attacks since Mills has been back in the team - he has to start every week for me....but in a way, because of this - we're now very lopsided as we have no natural options on the right. (Loosing Murt's hasn't helped either......) We're trying to cure the right sided problem with players like Mellis (he's a CM in all honesty) or Adam and we all know he's not a wide man. Bloody hell, even James has played there and he's not going to offer any wing play is he? I just hope we go out and bring in a pacy right-winger on an emergency loan, i really think it'll change the attacking play in our team. It's something all the top teams at this level have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Fine but we still aren't scoring with him there and he is a fullback and shows it. You asked me what I wanted them to do. N'Diaye is an unknown quantity so nobody really knows, but he might give Lambert and Saganowski the help to start scoring. Neither have managed a league goal yet this season from play. A bit harsh to blame our scoring problems on a player that young. Also I don't quite know what you mean by he is showing that he's a fullback, as he has been one of our best players so far. He certainly stays wide and attacks down the line more than anybody i've seen so far this season, which is what you're asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Well I will say it, sod it, but I think AP's determination to play Lallana is actually harming us and our chances of scoring at the moment. To accomodate him we either play only one up front, usually away, or we sacrifice a wide player at home, cos Lallana will not stay out wide, mainly becaue he is not a wide player. He is not a forward, he is not a wide midfielder, I still struggle to work out exactly what he is. Sometimes he looks good, sometimes he looks average, he is a luxury player and I dont think we can afford luxury players at the moment. Ok, he has scored a couple but he will not be a prolific scorere cos, as I said, he is not a forward. Now our previous luxury player was a different kettle of fish altogether cos he could win a game single handedly, Adam will not do that IMHO. I would drop him for 3 or 4 games, go with 2 up front adn 2 genuine wide players and lets see what happens....cos at the moment the Lallana must be fitted in somewhere plan is not working ! You are not alone in your thinking, mate. I would also drop Schneiderlin and start playing faster more penetrating football, and screw the pretty elegant stuff for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Saints haven't scored in the first ten minutes of a match for 68 games now. We last scored early on in February 2008. I think one problem with our team is how long it takes the players to settle into the match. If that's true, that's a shocking statistic. I know we were shyte last season, but I still thought we'd scored in the first ten minutes at some point. The problem with that is that we're letting teams get into the match - an early goal, and we're much more likely to dominate teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 The goals will come... All good building starts at the back and we've cracked that. It's just a matter of time until we start to click going forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 (edited) The problem is for this Tuesday not Christmas. Sort it short term then find the long term solution. Pardew has a squad he gets paid loads of money I think he should sort it out with what we have got. I dont think it is realistic to conjure some loanee from somewhere Edited 26 September, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 [/b] We have been drawing too many though which has plighted us for the last few years. Can't think of the last time we strung 4-5 wins together We've had a few clusters or 3 wins in a row in the last few years. Last time I can remember 5 in a row in the same season was under Hoddle. I'm pretty certain we haven't won 6 since the original great escape season under Branfoot when we won 6 in a row and stayed up having been completely stranded. On the subject of Lambert, he's clearly an decent striker at L1 level but he has no real history of big scoring seasons. He scored 29 in 45 last season but only 13 in 46 the season before and 9 in 42 in L2 the season before that. His only other 20+ goal season was with Rochdale in L2 in 05-06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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