Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 http://www.mkdonsforum.org/bucksfizz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=342%3Asouthampton-post-match-translation&catid=43%3Abucks-fizz-news&Itemid=90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Well you can't fault his honesty.......how their assistant manager can call us long ball is beyond me.....did he not notice the number of times Lallana and Antonio, in the second half, ran at them from the half way line ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 very good assessment imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA77 Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Fair play, good report. They are still my most hated "club" though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Fair play, good report. They are still my most hated "club" though Why is that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Why is that?? Because they are a plastic club which shat all over its loyal long suffering fans then turned up in a different town, different county and called themselves MK Dons!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 I also admire his honesty. It is a much better idea to be honest to themselves, as that is when they can start to address their shortcomings and improve. Karl Robinson must have been watching an entirely different game. It is indeed mighty refreshing to read that part of the problem was that Easter had to face a huge defence, especially the CBs. I really am coming around to believing that this defensive partnership is the best that we have had for many years, perhaps even better than the Killer/ Lundekvam one. It's early days yet, but Harding, Jaidi and Trotman are immense. James has been OK, but is the weak link, whereas Murty would hold his own against those other three as completely up to the best standard if he returns soon. I would also say that some of the other players in the current team would not have looked out of place in teams that we have had in the past decade, even in the Premiership. But whereas it is easy to talk about individuals who are shining, it is important to consider that it is more pertinent to recognise that as a team, as a unit, we are beginning to meld together very nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Because they are a plastic club which shat all over its loyal long suffering fans then turned up in a different town, different county and called themselves MK Dons!!!!!! They serve nice coffee though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 I also admire his honesty. It is a much better idea to be honest to themselves, as that is when they can start to address their shortcomings and improve. Does that include the people on here who were being 'honest' about our performances in our first 7 - 8 league games? Some people called it moaning and not getting behind the team.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Does that include the people on here who were being 'honest' about our performances in our first 7 - 8 league games? Some people called it moaning and not getting behind the team.... good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Does that include the people on here who were being 'honest' about our performances in our first 7 - 8 league games? Some people called it moaning and not getting behind the team.... Think there's a difference between moaning and criticism. Some fans on here asking 'how much longer should Pardew be given' in my opinion are moaning. Fans questioning Wago's knowledge of the offside rule are critising!!!! All obviously in my own opinion!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Think there's a difference between moaning and criticism. Some fans on here asking 'how much longer should Pardew be given' in my opinion are moaning. Fans questioning Wago's knowledge of the offside rule are critising!!!! All obviously in my own opinion!! but you have to wonder if waigo knows the offside rule...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 They serve nice coffee though Have you been to the franchise stadium then??? Is it worth going? I've been told is a ghost town, no pub's, no life, no nothing??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 but you have to wonder if waigo knows the offside rule...lol On yesterdays evidence Monsieur Delldays there's no question whatsoever..............he has no idea :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glkdcdes Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Does that include the people on here who were being 'honest' about our performances in our first 7 - 8 league games? Some people called it moaning and not getting behind the team.... i would have thought the difference is thas those people that were being honest and commenting on our poor performance, were missing the point at that time. Why were they stating the negatives at the time of transition, why were they questioning A. P when clearly it was early days in a long journey. So no, Trousers sorry but i dont give those type any credit, but i am enjoying the fact that they seem to have slid back into there holes, no doubt waiting to decide how long a bad run needs to be before they can all come back out and start saying i told you so.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 i would have thought the difference is thas those people that were being honest and commenting on our poor performance, were missing the point at that time. Why were they stating the negatives at the time of transition, why were they questioning A. P when clearly it was early days in a long journey. So no, Trousers sorry but i dont give those type any credit, but i am enjoying the fact that they seem to have slid back into there holes, no doubt waiting to decide how long a bad run needs to be before they can all come back out and start saying i told you so.............. Quite right moooooosh. I was echoing this point in the pub after yesterday, saying that fans need to understand that we will loose games this season but fook me, we're going to win more than we loose. Enjoy it, get on board for the ride!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 i would have thought the difference is thas those people that were being honest and commenting on our poor performance, were missing the point at that time. Why were they stating the negatives at the time of transition, why were they questioning A. P when clearly it was early days in a long journey. So no, Trousers sorry but i dont give those type any credit, but i am enjoying the fact that they seem to have slid back into there holes, no doubt waiting to decide how long a bad run needs to be before they can all come back out and start saying i told you so.............. what do you mean "slip back in their holes"..I was one who was critical of the start of the season...whilst I wanted and expected better, I was told i was being far too unrealistic to expect anything other than (and I quote) "just surviving" this season.. now, the goal posts have moved....and rightly so....you can change your opinion as the season unfolds. I tell you what, pardew was not hoping for survival, he wants instant success and is now delivering it..he did/does not want a season of "consolidation" like I was told to expect..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Decent report concentrating on what they could have done better rather than what the other team got away with or what the officials did or didnt do. There is a difference between moaning without providing a solution and constructive critacism (cant spell for s*it) and fair play to that guy. Sounds like if they had played there usual game plan they might have given us a better test but that guy just judged on what he saw and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Quite a good read, that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Was Ince at the game? Couldn't see him fron Northam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 what do you mean "slip back in their holes"..I was one who was critical of the start of the season...whilst I wanted and expected better, I was told i was being far too unrealistic to expect anything other than (and I quote) "just surviving" this season.. now, the goal posts have moved....and rightly so....you can change your opinion as the season unfolds. I tell you what, pardew was not hoping for survival, he wants instant success and is now delivering it..he did/does not want a season of "consolidation" like I was told to expect..... There is a subtle but critical point here that you miss. pardew was not hoping for survival, he wants instant success and is now delivering it..he did/does not want a season of "consolidation" This is totally and completely true. The absolutely critical issue now however is that while nobody wants/wanted a season of consolidation, we did not gamble our entire future on getting the instant success. ie We want it, we think we can get it, but let us be sure that if we do not then next year we are still around, can keep the players and go that extra step. Which is clearly the opposite of what we did when we went Wilde, and what the idiots down the road have done. Which is also very refreshing, we have a Plan A off the pitch but just in case it was needed we thought it through and have a Plan B, Just in case. As for the OP link, well written, reminded me of us lot a year ago listening to the "Churchillian Speeches" on the OS week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Was Ince at the game? Couldn't see him fron Northam! Was in the Directors Box looking thoroughly hacked off Regards Morph (looking forward to another great London away day at Leyton Orient) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Was in the Directors Box looking thoroughly hacked off Regards Morph (looking forward to another great London away day at Leyton Orient) You've given me a picture of him in my head, all alone in the corner of the Directors Box wearing a cap with a big D on it. All the Saints board and Markus flicking sweet wrappers at him when he's not looking and then giggling amongst themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Have you been to the franchise stadium then??? Is it worth going? I've been told is a ghost town, no pub's, no life, no nothing??? Huge ADSA next door - if that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 You've given me a picture of him in my head, all alone in the corner of the Directors Box wearing a cap with a big D on it. All the Saints board and Markus flicking sweet wrappers at him when he's not looking and then giggling amongst themselves. Just about sums up his body language yesterday. Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Bletchley is a better bet (I went to Primary School there) and not too far from the ground. It has a traditional High Street etc although they did build a horrendous Mall at one end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Did anyone see the build-up they did on the Saints Build Up thread? Top class. Some of the admins on here could learn from it http://www.mkdonsforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5749 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 but you have to wonder if waigo knows the offside rule...lol His 'offside ' goal should have stood, according to some Don fans. There is a very fine line between success and otherwise sometimes, and had the lino not got it wrong his detractors might not be so critical. (I'm not saying however that Saturdays was his best performance though). What Waigo gives us is speed and width which we were crying out for. And he can't be faulted for getting to the goalmouth - and he has scrambled the ball over the line twice so far from similar incidents. Of course he should be more aware of getting caught out and I am not too worried that he won't improve (unlike lots of doubters. He is no BWP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 (edited) Thought I'd share this post from their "Moocamp" forum: Well having dragged myself out of my sick bed to make the trip, I'm not best pleased with today... It's difficult to know where to start, but let's start with the simple things. How many foobing times does Ince need to be told that if he's not going to play a tall striker, he'll have to change the way he plays the game? Johnson, Easter and Puncheon are not going to win headers against centre backs. END OF. FACT. If you keep hoofing long balls to their defenders, then all that's going to happen is they're going to come straight back. The lack of discipline amongst our players is becoming embarrassing. It's been clear by the number of silly bookings that we've been picking up that discipline is a problem within the side, but the shouting matches that were going on between the team today were ridiculous - Lewie and Powell were shouting at each other for most of the first half. It's unprofessional, it's counter-productive and it's embarrassing. Sort it out. I'd actually go a stage further than that after today's performance actually - Lewie is a rock, and I'd love it if he stayed with us for the rest of his career, but I don't think he's captain material. The Captain has to be able to marshall, motivate and inspire the players on the pitch, and I don't think that's where Lewie's strengths lie. What happens on the pitch affects him too much for him to be able to carry out the Captain's role when things aren't going well. McCracken for Captain says I. We were so fortunate not to concede in the first half - the difference between the two sides was probably wider than in our first half against Wycombe, yet insanely we managed to go in one up. That moment did make the trip worthwhile to be honest, just to see the total look of shock on the Scummers faces - it was a great free kick, although the keeper's positioning should be questioned, but I doubt if anyone was feeling particularly confident following the whole of the first half performance. We were really taught a lesson today. Not only did they outplay us in every part of the pitch, they outfought us in every part of the pitch. The outplaying was embarrassing at times - the way their players moved for each other off of the ball was both fantastic and painful to watch. They wanted the ball more than us for 90 minutes. They battled for everything, and we had nothing to offer in return - just repeated hoofing of the ball up the pitch. Willie was once again alarmingly poor - a few saves kept us in it without any doubt, but his kicking has to make his place in the side up for grabs. I don't share the 'Albie should be singled out' opinion - he didn't add much, and funnily enough spent most of the time on his arse, but we looked more likely to score with him on the pitch than off it. But only just. Will probably add more when I've had more time to ponder, but to summarise, I think today we saw a team totally humilate our players and management. The worry is that I'm not sure that either of them have what it takes to respond. Reading through the thread, they are almost as angry with the bullsh!t comments of the Assistant Manager, as they are with the performance. Edited 25 October, 2009 by krissyboy31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Thought I'd share this post from their "Moocamp" forum: [...] Reading through the thread, they are almost as angry with the bullsh!t comments of the Assistant Manager, as they are with the performance. Oh my god, that post could have been written by any of us at any point during the last 5(ish) seasons :-o What a refreshing change that people are writing about the Saints team that they work harder and want the ball more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 http://www.mkdonsforum.org/bucksfizz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=342%3Asouthampton-post-match-translation&catid=43%3Abucks-fizz-news&Itemid=90 Nice perhaps only because it says what you wanted to hear? See no evil, speak no evil? As it happens they "did not turn up" simply because they did not have big players and we physically hammered them into submission. The first 55 minutes was not one of Saints' prettiest performances. We were totally 'long ball' until the tactical change and look where it got us , 0-1 down until the switch. There were plenty of moans and groans in The Itchen in the first half, I can tell you, because of our one-dimensional hoofing football leading nowhere. After the switch we were a different team so why didn't Pardew start out like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 what do you mean "slip back in their holes"..I was one who was critical of the start of the season...whilst I wanted and expected better, I was told i was being far too unrealistic to expect anything other than (and I quote) "just surviving" this season.. now, the goal posts have moved....and rightly so....you can change your opinion as the season unfolds. I tell you what, pardew was not hoping for survival, he wants instant success and is now delivering it..he did/does not want a season of "consolidation" like I was told to expect..... I think the majority of us Delldays (I speak for myself here) were saying you were being unrealistic to expect instant success, i.e the Huddersfield, Swindon games were too soon for us to be playing as we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isplumm Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 His 'offside ' goal should have stood, according to some Don fans. There is a very fine line between success and otherwise sometimes, and had the lino not got it wrong his detractors might not be so critical. (I'm not saying however that Saturdays was his best performance though). What Waigo gives us is speed and width which we were crying out for. And he can't be faulted for getting to the goalmouth - and he has scrambled the ball over the line twice so far from similar incidents. Of course he should be more aware of getting caught out and I am not too worried that he won't improve (unlike lots of doubters. He is no BWP). I've just seen the "goal" on Saints TV .... didn't look offside to me .... there was another player to his left who was maybe just offside .... but not interfering with play .... so to me the goal should have stood .... I went to the game on Saturday .... last minute decision ... shopping in Eastleigh at 2pm, managed to get down to St. Mary's, get parked, get ticket, in ground before kick off!! Worth every penny .... excellent!! .... but Lloyd James did get some criticism .. but he put the crosses in for 2 of the goals ... often was left 1-on-1 with their attacker .... so I thought he did ok. Where did their keeper learn to kick .... I could do better ... Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I've just seen the "goal" on Saints TV .... didn't look offside to me .... there was another player to his left who was maybe just offside .... but not interfering with play .... so to me the goal should have stood .... I went to the game on Saturday .... last minute decision ... shopping in Eastleigh at 2pm, managed to get down to St. Mary's, get parked, get ticket, in ground before kick off!! Worth every penny .... excellent!! .... but Lloyd James did get some criticism .. but he put the crosses in for 2 of the goals ... often was left 1-on-1 with their attacker .... so I thought he did ok. Where did their keeper learn to kick .... I could do better ... Mark I was sat right in line and he was offside before and whilst Harding took the free kick. We had called it before the ball got to him and didn't join in the brief goal celebrations. Hopefully, you will do your shopping on Saturday mornings in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I think the majority of us Delldays (I speak for myself here) were saying you were being unrealistic to expect instant success, i.e the Huddersfield, Swindon games were too soon for us to be playing as we are now. Absolutely spot on! We were not just a club which had lost a few big names. We had sold the family silver before moving on and selling the china, the furniture, the carpets and light fittings too. We had no scouting network, no coaches of any merit and a bunch of shell-shocked kids. The sensible posters on here knew it would take time, hoped that time wouldn't be too long and looked worriedly at how the 10 point penalty probably meant promotion would probably not be until next year. The lack of faith in the manager after just 10 games was really quite pitiful just as the gushing praise and talk of visits to Wembley After 14 is quite embarassing - particularly as I doubt many of those posting this praise have the real stomach for the hard road ahead. Worst of all are posters like CBFry who seem to now assume the recent form confirms they were right to expect more from the early games and that everyone else was giving Pardew a free pass for a season of failure. No. It actually just means you lacked any patience or belief that Pardew would get things right. Like the bore who jumps up every 30 seconds and complains about every stray pass, you just end up p*ssing off everyone else in the stand. Please sit down, calm down or go get a beer. You're not helping and If anything, you're spoiling it for the rest of us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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