dune Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 I reckon we have a classic season comeing where we win the title and it's gonna be awesom to follow us. The best season since 84 and i don't remember those days well, but its gotta be around then when we belived we could become great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 This season is not going to good for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 It will be a massive disappointment for you setting the bar that high, I am afraid. We will need to improve a lot to 'walk this league'. It will be tense, tight and we will lose matches as well as win some. Hopefully we will be competitive in the top quarter of the division and be good enough for automatic promotion. But I won't be calling for Pardews head if we're not 15 points clear at the top by bonfire night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 17 March, 2010 (edited) This season is not going to good for us Forget the table and the fact we're in L1 for another year, focus on the days out and we're going to Wembley. Noddy cup yes, but it's Wembley and that makes it special. We are not the finnished article as team, if we were we'd not just win regularly but win almost every time and certainly not lose to swindon at home and tranny away in a week. That aside we hammered wallsall, hudds and beat a Leeds side that murdered us up at elland road. You choose which result you focus on, but we can agree that we do need to become consistently ruthless. Asking more of the players at present isn't relly fair as they are doing their best, they just need to be confident without being ****y. They need go into a game determined to play better than the opposition. It's all simple stuff, but the mental factors in players minds are as important as anything done on the training ground. I don't we've got much of a problem here, but you never say you're there as there's always something to improve. What i'm saying is that we have the machines but we just need to learn to work them to their optimum efficiency. It's all there ready to go if it's managed properly and with AP he's a smart guy. He'll do the business. Edited 17 March, 2010 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Don't count on it.....IMO it will be similar to this season but without the -10,I just cannot see us romping the league,I could be wrong but I think promotion is likely but not as cut and dried as most think. My prediction..... Playoff place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Don't count on it.....IMO it will be similar to this season but without the -10,I just cannot see us romping the league,I could be wrong but I think promotion is likely but not as cut and dried as most think. My prediction..... Playoff place. We are doing reasonbly well at the moment without putting many winning runs together. Hopefully the standard will not be as good next season and with luck we should be a force in League 1. I doubt we will do a Norwich but we should be at least in the Playoffs but we do need to have a good start to the season which we seldom do - Cannot remember the last time we won the First Game of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 think we will be top 2 next season. 1 or 2 additions to the squad and alot of the fringe players will leave. Hoping to see another CM come in, maybe Danns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Reckon we are in for helluva disappointment next season, considering how highly its being built up. What possible motivation is there for NC to dip his hand deeply in MLs pocket again this summer ? The manager got everyone he wanted this season, apparently. And if the manager changes, it is almost square one again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 think we will be top 2 next season. 1 or 2 additions to the squad and alot of the fringe players will leave. Hoping to see another CM come in, maybe Danns. It is always the same lets get in a couple of new players and things will be fine;) We were all happy with the new players but results in general have not improved significantly Eleven League games in 2010 nineteen points Last Eleven League Games in 2009 twenty points About 82 points over the season pro rata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 It is always the same lets get in a couple of new players and things will be fine;) We were all happy with the new players but results in general have not improved significantly Eleven League games in 2010 nineteen points Last Eleven League Games in 2009 twenty points About 82 points over the season pro rata lol yes its true but i do think we are short in CM. Especially if wotton / gillet go. Then there is Papa and Antonio, where will they be, if they go then we will have to get more in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Reckon we are in for helluva disappointment next season, considering how highly its being built up. What possible motivation is there for NC to dip his hand deeply in MLs pocket again this summer ? The manager got everyone he wanted this season, apparently. And if the manager changes, it is almost square one again. motivation is getting out of this league and the much hyped 5 year plan. I want AP to stay, think with a complete pre season and as i said above a couple of changes we will be fine. Granted this also depends on us keeping the likes of Morgan, Lallana, Lambert etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 motivation is getting out of this league and the much hyped 5 year plan. I want AP to stay, think with a complete pre season and as i said above a couple of changes we will be fine. Granted this also depends on us keeping the likes of Morgan, Lallana, Lambert etc How will a full pre-season help the useless consistency and continual momentum disruptions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 How will a full pre-season help the useless consistency and continual momentum disruptions ? in simple terms, "togetherness" and as i said one or two players in and out which will inevitably happen with contracts up and loans ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 in simple terms, "togetherness" and as i said one or two players in and out which will inevitably happen with contracts up and loans ending. Sorry, not convinced. Its more of a mental preparation thing for me than a group hug thing. Players need to be kept motivated with their feet on the ground. Always thought the response to good wins is more telling than the response to defeats. We also have the quality now (for this level), not sure player changes will help - unless enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flickjax Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Alpine you are such an unhappy soul, i am not sure you would even be happy if we won the league. Swindon are a good side, we created chances but couldn't put them away it happens. Possibly if we had started the season better and were closer to the playoffs we may have been able to raise the game that extra bit. They wouldn't admit it but the players probably already realised the playoffs were lost.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Let me make three predictions for the dreamers out there. Next season will not be any easier than this season We will lose the JPT cup Alan Pardew will be gone by October having ****ed up the start of the season NEXT SEASON There is no logical reason to presume that it will be any easier next year. Our failure to beat many clubs we should not drop points to is about the lack of mental strength in the team. It is hard to put a finger exactly what the problem is but until we get a grip of that we have no reason to believe its going to get any better Our table position shows we are a mid table team tens of points below the leaders. We have the highest goal scorer in the league but we still cant near the playoffs This is a soft team will no leadership on the pitch. We squander chance after chance in front of goal and the back four are vulnerable to anyone with pace. I would be happy if someone would explain why it is going to be any better than this year unless we just spend so much money even AP can get us in the playoffs THE JPT Trophy We seem to greatly underestimate the opposition. If they get their tactiics right they will turn us over. Soft boys soft manager AP gone by October I can hear the excuses now , "Unlucky , tired, time to gel NC in his interview is no mug. Overspent on players in relation to the 5 year plan not near the leaders, unable to get to the playoffs. Add the loss of the JPT and four disappointing results and AP is gone. AP was useful steadied the ship but he is taking us no where. Don't believe me look at the table and tell me that is an acceptable position with the money spent and the top goalscorer in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Alpine you are such an unhappy soul, i am not sure you would even be happy if we won the league. Swindon are a good side, we created chances but couldn't put them away it happens. Possibly if we had started the season better and were closer to the playoffs we may have been able to raise the game that extra bit. They wouldn't admit it but the players probably already realised the playoffs were lost.... I don't agree. Until last night a good run and it would still have been possible. Pardew's expensively assembled team were unable to make much of an impression on a well drilled but mainly journeymen team of players. I see the problem as this: If, for example, we spend the rest of the season as we have the first 35 games i.e. up and down with good and bad results we'll probably finish up outside the play-offs regardless of the minus ten. Next season - big, big pressure on Pardew. The three clubs down to League One look as though they could be much smaller names than the three going up; even more pressure. What if we lose 2/3 out of the first four and he's fired/walks? We go round the whole new players, building buoy again. I don't think he deserves from what he has produced so far to give it until Christmas, consequently he should go as soon as the season is over. This may be harsh but I really don't see that under this bloke we will have a team any time soon possessing the necessary attributes to get 90+ points over a season in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 I haven't seen any evidence yet that this team will so any better than play off fringes next season. I make the assumption that some of our better players will be tempted away to a higher level during the summer so there's still going to be a need to look to bring in new blood. Now that this season is over bar a day out at Wembley perhaps April would be a good time to start thinking very seriously about the personnel required to make the top two next time out. I suspect NC will be pondering along similar lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 A few months back I would have agreed but recently I'm not. The fans thing we are Manchester United or summat - we aren't - the players only seem to play when they want and when they're up against it as in last night and against Tranmere they fail. True Champions win games when you play awful or decisions go against you - when everyone is on song in this team we are virtually unbeatable but if it's always at home and every third game or so then I can see us being the new 'Leeds United' not the next 'Manchester United'. I said before any of the current signings, the new management and owners came about that after our relegation we would be in this division for four or five years. I stick by it. Things have got so much better but I still think there is some bitter medicine to swallow for us poor old Saints fans. Oh and don't go thinking the JPT is won yet. There is a another club with a Wembley Day Out who'd like nothing better than to put one over on the 'Billy Big Boots' from the south...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Saints will never do anything easily. I reckon we'll make the play offs next season, but I think the usual inconsistency will let us down. We need to get Surman back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Sorry, not convinced. Its more of a mental preparation thing for me than a group hug thing. Players need to be kept motivated with their feet on the ground. Always thought the response to good wins is more telling than the response to defeats. We also have the quality now (for this level), not sure player changes will help - unless enforced. Talking about group hugs - is'nt that the most pointless part of the match build up. What does or has it acheived? Lets dump it and maybe we could perhaps start a match on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 I have to agree that i see no evidence as to why we will get automatic promotion next season or even make the playoffs. Yes we will probably be a good side for league one but you will have 3 teams coming down who will all expect to go straight back up, you will also have The likes of Charlton,Huddersfield,Millwall,Bristol Rovers,swindon and more who will be targeting play offs at least and better. We have already proved we dont like playing away from home in the winter so what will change next year. We also do not know what our team will be next season so it is rather silly to claim we will go up. On paper this club should no doubt gain promotion with the resources available but this is real life people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Definitely picking up a mood swing in these parts. Some people are waking up to the reality of the situation. The task of rehabilitating SFC is only just starting, not nearly finished, and I foresee more personnel changes ahead - on- and off-field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 What possible motivation is there for NC to dip his hand deeply in MLs pocket again this summer ? The manager got everyone he wanted this season, apparently. And if the manager changes, it is almost square one again. We don't need to. We have Championship winning form over the last 25 matches (since the current team minus Puncheon, Barnard, Fonte and Seabourne) bedded in. Maintain the status quo and the OP is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 I have to agree that i see no evidence as to why we will get automatic promotion next season or even make the playoffs. The last 25 matches? We average awhisker under 2 points per match apparently. Now go and have a look at the league table. Anyone who thinks we would struggle to make the play-offs next season with the current squad is seriously lacking in fortitude and bottle IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Reckon we are in for helluva disappointment next season, considering how highly its being built up. What possible motivation is there for NC to dip his hand deeply in MLs pocket again this summer ? The manager got everyone he wanted this season, apparently. And if the manager changes, it is almost square one again. Of course you do. Why would you want to think positively? crazy thought that might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Let me make three predictions for the dreamers out there. Next season will not be any easier than this season We will lose the JPT cup Alan Pardew will be gone by October having ****ed up the start of the season NEXT SEASON There is no logical reason to presume that it will be any easier next year. Our failure to beat many clubs we should not drop points to is about the lack of mental strength in the team. It is hard to put a finger exactly what the problem is but until we get a grip of that we have no reason to believe its going to get any better Our table position shows we are a mid table team tens of points below the leaders. We have the highest goal scorer in the league but we still cant near the playoffs This is a soft team will no leadership on the pitch. We squander chance after chance in front of goal and the back four are vulnerable to anyone with pace. I would be happy if someone would explain why it is going to be any better than this year unless we just spend so much money even AP can get us in the playoffs THE JPT Trophy We seem to greatly underestimate the opposition. If they get their tactiics right they will turn us over. Soft boys soft manager AP gone by October I can hear the excuses now , "Unlucky , tired, time to gel NC in his interview is no mug. Overspent on players in relation to the 5 year plan not near the leaders, unable to get to the playoffs. Add the loss of the JPT and four disappointing results and AP is gone. AP was useful steadied the ship but he is taking us no where. Don't believe me look at the table and tell me that is an acceptable position with the money spent and the top goalscorer in the league As has been discussed about a million times. Our form since the opening 10 games has been that of a high playoff/auto promotion team. I would say that 10 game period was before we were anywhere near our best. Therefore our FORM suggests we will be up there. There is no reason to think otherwise. We had won 7 games in a row at home prior to last night. How many teams have done that this season? Make no mistake we can improve, especially away from home. As for your Carlisle "prediction". Correct they COULD win, but on the league table, form and squad we will be favorites. Doom merchants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Talking about group hugs - is'nt that the most pointless part of the match build up. What does or has it acheived? Lets dump it and maybe we could perhaps start a match on time. Too true, perhaps i wouldn't have to leg it like a mad man to get the 21:55 train then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 We don't need to. We have Championship winning form over the last 25 matches (since the current team minus Puncheon, Barnard, Fonte and Seabourne) bedded in. Maintain the status quo and the OP is right. Sorry but I think it is play-off form, not championship winning, we are still a little way off that. I think next season is going to be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 It will be a massive disappointment for you setting the bar that high, I am afraid. We will need to improve a lot to 'walk this league'. It will be tense, tight and we will lose matches as well as win some. Hopefully we will be competitive in the top quarter of the division and be good enough for automatic promotion. But I won't be calling for Pardews head if we're not 15 points clear at the top by bonfire night. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 depends on who comes down from Championship... if it is a former prem/established Championship team Palace/Weds/Derby/Watford/Ipswich/QPR/Bris c/Reading/Preston (places 21-13) then we are no better off than now... if its the yoyo teams eg: Pbro, Scunny. plymouth (current bottom 3) then it might be ok, then you need to take into account the teams that miss the play offs promotion place (assuming Norwich/Leeds go up auto) Millwall. charlton,Huddersfld, Bris R, MK, swindon... well then.. is ayutomatc promotion a cert at all? Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 17 March, 2010 depends on who comes down from Championship... if it is a former prem/established Championship team Palace/Weds/Derby/Watford/Ipswich/QPR/Bris c/Reading/Preston (places 21-13) then we are no better off than now... if its the yoyo teams eg: Pbro, Scunny. plymouth (current bottom 3) then it might be ok, then you need to take into account the teams that miss the play offs promotion place (assuming Norwich/Leeds go up auto) Millwall. charlton,Huddersfld, Bris R, MK, swindon... well then.. is ayutomatc promotion a cert at all? Hmmm It's got to be. But if we're not in the challenging places from the start then a change of manager is needed and i reckon that is exactly what would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonibell Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Don't count on it.....IMO it will be similar to this season but without the -10,I just cannot see us romping the league,I could be wrong but I think promotion is likely but not as cut and dried as most think. My prediction..... Playoff place. Spot on. We will never win this league with Pardew in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 I reckon we have a classic season comeing where we win the title and it's gonna be awesom to follow us. The best season since 84 and i don't remember those days well, but its gotta be around then when we belived we could become great. '84 we were great - no doubt about it. I'm hoping for a similar season to '84 albeit in a lower league but anyone that thinks its going to be easy needs to have a quiet word with themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 I think we will do it. Not Champions but second. I think a decent pre-season will do us the power of good. Let's just hope Leeds and Norwich both go up this year. Both far stronger than anyone who is coming down IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 March, 2010 Share Posted 17 March, 2010 Spot on. We will never win this league with Pardew in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 March, 2010 Share Posted 18 March, 2010 Just seen that Paul Hart is the new manager at Palace. Looks like they could well be challenging at the top of league one next season as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 18 March, 2010 Share Posted 18 March, 2010 Just seen that Paul Hart is the new manager at Palace. Looks like they could well be challenging at the top of league one next season as well. Have we gone back in time?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 18 March, 2010 Share Posted 18 March, 2010 As has been discussed about a million times. Our form since the opening 10 games has been that of a high playoff/auto promotion team. I would say that 10 game period was before we were anywhere near our best. Therefore our FORM suggests we will be up there. There is no reason to think otherwise. We had won 7 games in a row at home prior to last night. How many teams have done that this season? Make no mistake we can improve, especially away from home. As for your Carlisle "prediction". Correct they COULD win, but on the league table, form and squad we will be favorites. Doom merchants... Don't want to be a doom merchant but there is something wrong when you cant beat the lower level teams. It requires grit and mental strength and we dont have that yet. It is also wrong to be selective about taking a slice of the games played and drawing conclusions. If we had not dropped all of the points against teams we would have expected to get a result I would have no complaint. I dont expect to wim every game but it is just plain bizarre to beat the best the division has and mess up against the "easier teams"not once not twice but too bloody often Every season is different with unexpected teams doing well. We will still need to learn to win ugly and grind out results to succeed. Re the JPT if I were Carlisle you would know how to play to beat us. Lose that match and AP is a dead man walking. NC doesnt rate that match but he sure as hell wont accept losing it. AP is I am sure a decent man and he deserves some time but NC is a dangerous boss to have. His credibility is bound up in delivering the 5 year plan. NC doesnt think the manager is the most important man at the club. "Behind you AP, behind you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 18 March, 2010 Share Posted 18 March, 2010 I think we will get it right and do well next season. Automatic promotion must be the aim. In terms of our chances I asked a guy who sets football odds for one of the bookies and he said that, whilst it does depend on who goes up and who goes down, he would put Saints in as favourites at around 7/2 to win the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 18 March, 2010 Share Posted 18 March, 2010 I do have a dodgy feeling that we'll be expecting more than the team will deliver next season, but ultimately promotion is a MUST. While it would be deemed as a failure, even winning the play-offs would be a reasonable result, yes, we should be looking at automatic promotion, but a play-off win will still get us promoted, and that is of paramount importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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