Without the -10

[Minsk]

we would now be in a play-off spot. Given the summer we had, and the start to our season, I think this is the best we could have hoped for. I am still holding out hope of us making the play-offs (especially after today's results) but feel this is more heart over head.

 

All in all though this has been the most enjoyable season for a very long time. And I am certain that if we don't go up this year (which really is a very outside chance) then next season will be a fantastic one for all Saints out there.

 

What's more, anyone who thinks AP should be replaced falls into one of the following categories:

 

a) mentally challenged

b) clueless

c) a skate

d) a wind up merchant

 

What thinkest thou, to any of the above?

[markr27]

If Saints hadn't had the 10 point deduction, we would be now eight points behind 2nd with a game in hand...

 

Next season will be the one to judge AP, with a full pre-season and transfer window to wheel and deal available.

6th would be fantastic of course next month however!

Edited 10 April, 2010 by markr27

[Genk]

It was our first 10 games that have cost us this season. Pardew has done a good job based on what he started with, looking forward to a couple more additions to the squad over the summer and we will be raring to go come August

[RedArmy]

Let's appeal.

[SNSUN]

Let's appeal.

 

I thought this, jokingly, a while back. We're rich now, how much would it take to bribe the Football League I wonder...

[Rut]

I thought this, jokingly, a while back. We're rich now, how much would it take to bribe the Football League I wonder...

 

10 'Number 6' and a can of Watneys Red? Gotta be worth a go ain't it?

[alpine_saint]

we would now be in a play-off spot. Given the summer we had, and the start to our season, I think this is the best we could have hoped for. I am still holding out hope of us making the play-offs (especially after today's results) but feel this is more heart over head.

 

All in all though this has been the most enjoyable season for a very long time. And I am certain that if we don't go up this year (which really is a very outside chance) then next season will be a fantastic one for all Saints out there.

 

What's more, anyone who thinks AP should be replaced falls into one of the following categories:

 

a) mentally challenged

b) clueless

c) a skate

d) a wind up merchant

 

What thinkest thou, to any of the above?

 

Any value in your thread is undermined by the arrogance of the abuse handed out at the end of it.

[Saint_clark]

Any value in your thread is undermined by the arrogance of the abuse handed out at the end of it.

 

Not really. You can still choose to ignore the insults and discuss the topic.

[alpine_saint]

Not really. You can still choose to ignore the insults and discuss the topic.

 

What, from the the premise that anyone who disagrees with the opening comments is somehow mentally deranged, ignorant or malicious ?

 

No thanks.

[westofshannonsaint]

.......... anyone who thinks AP should be replaced ..........

 

I haven't seen many say Pardew should go.

But just because you think Pardew should stay does that mean you shouldn't question his actions?

 

I think fans need to get back into the winning mentality

[Dark Munster]

It was our first 10 games that have cost us this season. Pardew has done a good job based on what he started with, looking forward to a couple more additions to the squad over the summer and we will be raring to go come August

So if we miss out on the playoffs, but finish within 10 points of the playoffs, the -10 would have had nothing to do with it?

 

I think you'll find that if Lowe had taken Saints into administration a few days earlier Saints would have 10 more points, would be currently in a playoff place, and 8 points behind 2nd (with a game in hand).

[St Landrew]

What, from the the premise that anyone who disagrees with the opening comments is somehow mentally deranged, ignorant or malicious ?

 

No thanks.

 

But you could also cut people a little slack, and then rightly be entitled to some for yourself.

 

As it happens, I believe AP is doing an excellent job. We don't know for sure that the short pre-season contributed to the bad start. We don't know for sure that the losing mentality, that Pardew alerted us to, that he encountered, when he arrived at SFC, needed turning around. We don't know for sure that the undoubtedly poorer quality team just couldn't perform to higher standards, right from the off. As far as we know, all the talk of little pre-season, poorer players, and poor attitude might be just Pardew bullsh!te. But actually, it has such a tangible feel of truth in it, that it is almost surprising that Saints have managed to haul themselves up into a position where, if they hadn't encountered a 10 point penalty, during a season where League One playoff positions require several higher points than in others, they would be well in contention, and bucking for automatic promotion. So although they've made the odd slip up along the way since the January transfer window, their general form and results have been excellent. And it is logical to point out that but for the bad start, and the -10 points, this team could be leading the table, at this point.

 

However, pointing the obvious out will not change things, and this team are just as human, and therefore prone to the odd slip, as anyone else. Forget the what ifs, as it is too late for that. There are 6 games to go, so let's be positive. We have nothing to lose by being so.

[StuRomseySaint]

If the season started on October 1st without the -10 then we would be 3rd behind Norwich and Millwall, level with Swindon but better on goal difference. Millwall would be 6 points ahead in second but we would have a game in hand.

 

Leeds would be..... mid-table.

[bender]

If we can somehow manage to win these 2 away game on Tues and Sat, we go into our game in hand with around 5 or 6 points off which should obviously become 2 or 3. With 3 game to go.

[westofshannonsaint]

without the -10 there would be many saying that we are selling ourselves short by aiming for the playoffs.

 

to be fair I think the -10 did effect us, it took an awful long time to catch up, the Club was a bit of a mess when Pardew joined last July & he has had a good season.

 

but this thread is all if's and buts..... IF we are not promoted this year, Next season there are no excuses!

[Michelle]

If only we'd have gone into administration earlier, we'd have had the deduction last season. And we all know who is ultimately responsible for that one...

[trousers]

"Without the -10...." we'd have been taken over by Pinnacle rather than a billionaire.

 

The phrase 'blessing in disguise' springs to mind...

[Saint_clark]

I haven't seen many say Pardew should go.

But just because you think Pardew should stay does that mean you shouldn't question his actions?

 

I think fans need to get back into the winning mentality

 

No, the majority want Pardew to stay. But there are those who think he should be sacked.

[Professor]

Pardew is a competent manager but with Leibherr's resources and Corteses' business skills, there may well be a lot of other managers who could have done as well, and some maybe better. AP's eye for a player is good, but for me he is too cautious given the quality of his squad.

[St Marco]

At the end of the day what happened in the summer and the points deduction/bad start due to crap players cannot be changed. What has changed is that since then we have done very well. We are averaging 2 points a game and have been for sometime, that is auto promotion form. So can't really complain about what happened months ago. It happened and we moved on, we are a much better club now in every aspect.

[SaintRobbie]

we would now be in a play-off spot. Given the summer we had, and the start to our season, I think this is the best we could have hoped for. I am still holding out hope of us making the play-offs (especially after today's results) but feel this is more heart over head.

 

All in all though this has been the most enjoyable season for a very long time. And I am certain that if we don't go up this year (which really is a very outside chance) then next season will be a fantastic one for all Saints out there.

 

What's more, anyone who thinks AP should be replaced falls into one of the following categories:

 

a) mentally challenged

b) clueless

c) a skate

d) a wind up merchant

 

What thinkest thou, to any of the above?

 

I agree.

[Andy_Porter]

It really is a fantastic achievement to even be in within ten points of the play offs. I've been very critical of Pardews over cautious approach on games but he's clearly getting it right far more often than not, really think he is the right man to take us forward.

 

IMO it was the run of away games after Christmas that eventually lost us our chance at the play offs. If we could have held on against Brentford, Milwall or Exeter we would have got the play offs this season, conceeding so late agaisnt Milwall was gutting.

[SaintRobbie]

Pardew is a competent manager but with Leibherr's resources and Corteses' business skills, there may well be a lot of other managers who could have done as well, and some maybe better. AP's eye for a player is good, but for me he is too cautious given the quality of his squad.

 

Not sure 'alot of other managers' would've come to a side in our predicament at the time. AP has shown early dedication and was far from cautious in his own selection of a Club. He is on a longterm mission to return us to the Premiership and sill working out his players and a Division-winning system. I think he's down superbly considering the mess left for him by Lowe and Wotte.

[Thedelldays]

Not sure 'alot of other managers' would've come to a side in our predicament at the time. AP has shown early dedication and was far from cautious in his own selection of a Club. He is on a longterm mission to return us to the Premiership and sill working out his players and a Division-winning system. I think he's down superbly considering the mess left for him by Lowe and Wotte.

lets hope the NC agrees with you...

[Andy_Porter]

Pardew is a competent manager but with Leibherr's resources and Corteses' business skills, there may well be a lot of other managers who could have done as well, and some maybe better. AP's eye for a player is good, but for me he is too cautious given the quality of his squad.

 

I think that's a bit harsh tbh, not many teams who start a season on negative points finish in the top half let alone challenge for a play off place and win a shed load of cup games.

 

We will have to start next season well or I think Cortese might get impatient with Pardew but I've every faith that he will take us up next season.

[paulwantsapint]

"Without the -10...." we'd have been taken over by Pinnacle rather than a billionaire.

 

The phrase 'blessing in disguise' springs to mind...

 

GREAT POINT[

Would MLT have been able to make pinnacle put up the money for Rickie & Jose our 2 Massive name signings?

[Ash]

If only we'd have gone into administration earlier, we'd have had the deduction last season. And we all know who is ultimately responsible for that one...

Dave Mcgoldrick?

[Scudamore]

If the season started on October 1st without the -10 then we would be 3rd behind Norwich and Millwall, level with Swindon but better on goal difference. Millwall would be 6 points ahead in second but we would have a game in hand.

 

Leeds would be..... mid-table.

 

I like this alternate universe

[sadoldgit]

we would now be in a play-off spot. Given the summer we had, and the start to our season, I think this is the best we could have hoped for. I am still holding out hope of us making the play-offs (especially after today's results) but feel this is more heart over head.

 

All in all though this has been the most enjoyable season for a very long time. And I am certain that if we don't go up this year (which really is a very outside chance) then next season will be a fantastic one for all Saints out there.

 

What's more, anyone who thinks AP should be replaced falls into one of the following categories:

 

a) mentally challenged

b) clueless

c) a skate

d) a wind up merchant

 

What thinkest thou, to any of the above?

 

Certainly they don't seem to understand anything about football and are only happy with the revoling door mentality with managers.

They seem to have forgotten that a change of manager can make things worse just as it could make things better (JP and Woote for example).

By any standards we have had a decent season after what has gone before, but there is no pleasing some people. I bet if we are 2nd for most of next season the Usual Suspects will be calling for Pardew's head because we are not top. Steve Bruce found the same with a bunch of morons at Birmingham.

 

What is really worrying is that Cortese might well have the Alpine mentality and ditch Pardew if we don't win every single game next season. Someone needs to sit down with him over the Summer and explain how football works.

[sadoldgit]

If only we'd have gone into administration earlier, we'd have had the deduction last season. And we all know who is ultimately responsible for that one...

 

The Bank?

[stmusicdude]

Any value in your thread is undermined by the arrogance of the abuse handed out at the end of it.

 

It's ONLY abuse IF you think he SHOULD be replaced, if you don't then it's "no skin off your nose.

So time to nail your colours to the mast do you think he should go or not?

[chrisobee]

But you could also cut people a little slack, and then rightly be entitled to some for yourself.

 

As it happens, I believe AP is doing an excellent job. We don't know for sure that the short pre-season contributed to the bad start. We don't know for sure that the losing mentality, that Pardew alerted us to, that he encountered, when he arrived at SFC, needed turning around. We don't know for sure that the undoubtedly poorer quality team just couldn't perform to higher standards, right from the off. As far as we know, all the talk of little pre-season, poorer players, and poor attitude might be just Pardew bullsh!te. But actually, it has such a tangible feel of truth in it, that it is almost surprising that Saints have managed to haul themselves up into a position where, if they hadn't encountered a 10 point penalty, during a season where League One playoff positions require several higher points than in others, they would be well in contention, and bucking for automatic promotion. So although they've made the odd slip up along the way since the January transfer window, their general form and results have been excellent. And it is logical to point out that but for the bad start, and the -10 points, this team could be leading the table, at this point.

 

However, pointing the obvious out will not change things, and this team are just as human, and therefore prone to the odd slip, as anyone else. Forget the what ifs, as it is too late for that. There are 6 games to go, so let's be positive. We have nothing to lose by being so.

 

 

Yep, pretty much sums it up for me, these happy pills work wonders don't they

[chrisobee]

lets hope the NC agrees with you...

 

As pointed out he needs to know how football works, I'm fairly confident he is astute enough to figure it out but really I'd like to see or rather hear him coming out more in support of AP, man management isn't all about giving people a kick up the backside which to me is how he seems to come across. I can't think of anyone who were likely to bring in who could have done better.

[stmusicdude]

I haven't seen many say Pardew should go.

But just because you think Pardew should stay does that mean you shouldn't question his actions?

 

I think fans need to get back into the winning mentality

 

No not at all, some make some fantastic points for debate & raise some clear concerns we all have.

 

But this idea that some clearly have that he has done a bad job & that "others could do better" we will ALWAYS be in a postion where others can do better! very few aren't at that point to be fair.

[alpine_saint]

What is really worrying is that Cortese might well have the Alpine mentality and ditch Pardew if we don't win every single game next season. Someone needs to sit down with him over the Summer and explain how football works.

 

Where have I said I expect us to win every game next season ?

 

I expect us to be top of the division next Xmas if still in L1, thats all.

 

Maybe you should act your age and stop misrepresenting other peoples opinion, or maybe you are a bit dim and cannot see the difference.

[alpine_saint]

It's ONLY abuse IF you think he SHOULD be replaced, if you don't then it's "no skin off your nose.

So time to nail your colours to the mast do you think he should go or not?

 

If we arent in automatic promotion spot by Xmas, he should go.

 

Inconsistency will be inexcusable next season.

[westofshannonsaint]

.....But there are those who think he should be sacked.

 

Really? I just quickly reread the Pardews real record thread, and this is the nearest I could find to a Pardew out comment....

 

I've already said i'd give Pardew next season and assess him on how we start. If we are not at or near the top early doors then get rid. I don't think we should mess about keeping him if he doesn't get his act together from the start.

 

For the record then, how many games into a season is a fair judge of his and our performance?

 

Half a dozen.

 

I might nor agree but even this negative poster thinks pardew should stay for about a dozen more competitive games.

 

 

......Sorry, Saint_Clark I went back through the pages on the board and found this thread where you quoted 2 posters post match reaction. fair enough they said they wanted Pardew out, but that was a post match reaction, I wonder if they thought the same once they had cooled down. & even in your thread I don't see anyone calling for AP's head just yet...

Edited 11 April, 2010 by westofshannonsaint

[saintjinksie]

we would now be in a play-off spot. Given the summer we had, and the start to our season, I think this is the best we could have hoped for. I am still holding out hope of us making the play-offs (especially after today's results) but feel this is more heart over head.

 

All in all though this has been the most enjoyable season for a very long time. And I am certain that if we don't go up this year (which really is a very outside chance) then next season will be a fantastic one for all Saints out there.

 

What's more, anyone who thinks AP should be replaced falls into one of the following categories:

 

a) mentally challenged

b) clueless

c) a skate

d) a wind up merchant

 

What thinkest thou, to any of the above?

 

i feel you are the clueless c*nt, we play sh*t football and are currently 26 points behind norwich, 18 on millwall and 14 behind charlton who are quite clearly a weaker team than us. We have dropped way too many points from winning positions and have failed to beat poor teams. We threw away two points at brentford(home and away), exeter, millwall (home and away) and even STOCKPORT!!!

[saintkiptanui]

i feel you are the clueless c*nt, we play sh*t football and are currently 26 points behind norwich, 18 on millwall and 14 behind charlton who are quite clearly a weaker team than us. We have dropped way too many points from winning positions and have failed to beat poor teams. We threw away two points at brentford(home and away), exeter, millwall (home and away) and even STOCKPORT!!!

 

Mentalist.

[saintjinksie]

Mentalist.

 

is it our total football you enjoy?

[Saint_clark]

is it our total football you enjoy?

 

So what you're trying to say is "Pardew out"?

[saintkiptanui]

is it our total football you enjoy?

I think we play some good football, we're league 1 not the champions league:rolleyes: The most enjoyable season for years IMO and we've scored a load of goals.

[saintjinksie]

I think we play some good football, we're league 1 not the champions league:rolleyes: The most enjoyable season for years IMO and we've scored a load of goals.

 

 

I cannot think of a game where i left and thought we actually played well. yesterday's game was poor, we couldnt string more than 5 passes together and the decision making by some of our attacking players is awful. if we get promoted and play like that we will have our backsides royally whipped and if we play like that in legaue 1 we will have a similar season next year. Pardew's get out of jail card is that he has a load of money behind him and will just buy someone rather than working with the squad he has to cover his ineptitude.

[Saint_clark]

I cannot think of a game where i left and thought we actually played well. yesterday's game was poor, we couldnt string more than 5 passes together and the decision making by some of our attacking players is awful. if we get promoted and play like that we will have our backsides royally whipped and if we play like that in legaue 1 we will have a similar season next year. Pardew's get out of jail card is that he has a load of money behind him and will just buy someone rather than working with the squad he has to cover his ineptitude.

 

You either can't be thinking hard, get extremely smashed on match days or don't go very often.

[saintjinksie]

You either can't be thinking hard, get extremely smashed on match days or don't go very often.

 

i go every game home and away, name one so i can shoot you down in flames. I can name bag loads where we played sh*te

[Saint_clark]

i go every game home and away, name one so i can shoot you down in flames. I can name bag loads where we played sh*te

 

MK Dons at home, Leeds at home, Norwich away, Ipswich at home in the cup, Southend away, Gillingham home, Walsall at home, Walsall away, Huddersfield at home.

[saintkiptanui]

Huddersfield at home.

[saintkiptanui]

MK Dons at home, Leeds at home, Norwich away, Ipswich at home in the cup, Southend away, Gillingham home, Walsall at home, Walsall away, Huddersfield at home.

I think he's gone

[saintjinksie]

MK Dons at home, Leeds at home, Norwich away, Ipswich at home in the cup, Southend away, Gillingham home, Walsall at home, Walsall away, Huddersfield at home.

 

huddersfield at home was good and norwich away. leeds at home was a poor game and leeds didnt get going, rickie lambert beat mk dons by himslef after we struggled to break them down in the first half. wallsall away was a poor game with some naff officiating and we should never have conceded in that game.

 

I give you tranmere away, wycombe away, brentford away, swindon (home and away), millwall away, huddersfield away (low point of season IMO), stockport away, Brighton at home, brizzel rovers at home, colcehster away. I would be willing to say we played a better brand of football under Portaloo without getting the results. if we could adopt a passing style of play with our current squad of players we could become a formidable side.

 

NB this is not an advocation of bring back the dutch pr*cks.

[saintkiptanui]

huddersfield at home was good and norwich away. leeds at home was a poor game and leeds didnt get going, rickie lambert beat mk dons by himslef after we struggled to break them down in the first half. wallsall away was a poor game with some naff officiating and we should never have conceded in that game.

 

I give you tranmere away, wycombe away, brentford away, swindon (home and away), millwall away, huddersfield away (low point of season IMO), stockport away, Brighton at home, brizzel rovers at home, colcehster away. I would be willing to say we played a better brand of football under Portaloo without getting the results. if we could adopt a passing style of play with our current squad of players we could become a formidable side.

 

NB this is not an advocation of bring back the dutch pr*cks.

Leeds at home we were excellent, it was only the ref that sopped it being a thrashing, you're expecting too much of you walked away from the Leeds game unhappy.