alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I was a waiting for a fred on this rather than start myself, since apparently I am always moaning. But what the hell, hey-ho... What cretinous baboon decided on order quantities for the new home kit shirt ? They really screwed that up, didnt they ? My mom tried to get me one 3 weeks ago and was told "6 weeks", now someone else on here tried this weekend and was also told "6 weeks" which in my book makes it 9 weeks. I reckon the reason the team hasnt played in it yet is because they havent got any to play in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Would you also complain if the club spent large amounts of cash ordering too many shirts and not able to sell them all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Come off it. This is the clubs 125th anniversary kit. You are defending this for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I was going to get my son one on saturday and was amazed to read the signs on the megastore saying that "certain sizes" (ie the large, XL, XXL) were out of stock. I found it amazing that after the hype of the new shirt we didn't have enough to sell at the first home game of the season, once they realised how well it was selling ie after the first day!! they should have got the order in. Think as you say someone screwed up big style, but have to say it was fantastic to see so many of them on saturday and im guessing even more on show this saturday, after first not being keen on the sash, it has grown on me and now i have to say I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 once they realised how well it was selling ie after the first day!! they should have got the order in. And of course, you know for a fact that they didn't get on blower to Umbro as soon as they started flying off the shelf? huh? what's that? You don't have a ****ing clue? Well there's a ****ing surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohwhenthesaints Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 To be fair, there could just be higher demand than initially anticipated. I was surprised to see so many of them being worn at the Reading game. Good luck getting one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 (edited) Come off it. This is the clubs 125th anniversary kit. You are defending this for the sake of it. You never know how many you will sale until it goes on sale. How do you know they didn't place a new order as soon as it looked like initial stock would sell out? Do you honestly think they didn't look at how many previous shirts had sold to work out how many to order? It does seem very popular but as I said it would be a bigger mistake to have more stock than you are able to sell, than having less stock with the ability to order more. This is just another example of you wanting to make a negative thread for the sake of it. Why not be positive for once Alpine and start a thread saying "Wow, the club picked its new style kit so well for the 125th Year it has been so much of a hit with the fans it has sold out!" Edited 3 August, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I was a waiting for a fred on this rather than start myself, since apparently I am always moaning. But what the hell, hey-ho... What cretinous baboon decided on order quantities for the new home kit shirt ? They really screwed that up, didnt they ? My mom tried to get me one 3 weeks ago and was told "6 weeks", now someone else on here tried this weekend and was also told "6 weeks" which in my book makes it 9 weeks. I reckon the reason the team hasnt played in it yet is because they havent got any to play in..... One can only assume that it takes a while to ramp up production from whatever Far East supplier they use. Judging by my very unscientifc wanderings aournd Southampton it does seem to have been a real success. And (assuming you haven't had the chance to see one yet) it does look really good, so hopefully worth the wait for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I was told (not sure if true) that Umbro don't have any of that material in stock as they were surprised how successful the shirt was. I assume the club looked at past sales of new kits and estimated from that.They had the figures and would be foolish to over order. It shows that fans in general prefer no shirt sponsor and that the new kit is smart to all ages. Well done the club, The kit man would have got the teams kit sorted and would have had a separate order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Cortese out FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 (edited) I was a waiting for a fred on this rather than start myself, since apparently I am always moaning. But what the hell, hey-ho... What cretinous baboon decided on order quantities for the new home kit shirt ? They really screwed that up, didnt they ? My mom tried to get me one 3 weeks ago and was told "6 weeks", now someone else on here tried this weekend and was also told "6 weeks" which in my book makes it 9 weeks. I reckon the reason the team hasnt played in it yet is because they havent got any to play in..... How many would you have ordered if you were in charge then Alpine? So far we have established that they should have ordered at least 2 more :-) Edited 3 August, 2010 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Would you also complain if the club spent large amounts of cash ordering too many shirts and not able to sell them all? Arse biscuits. Even if the club sold them on for peanuts they'll still make a profit. Also it shouldn't take six weeks to produce some goddam football shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 (edited) Also it shouldn't take six weeks to produce some goddam football shirts. Well complain to Umbro then, not the club. btw Umbro do have other products to manufacture, not just Saints shirts so a new order from the club would go to the back of the queue. Edited 3 August, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Arse biscuits. Even if the club sold them on for peanuts they'll still make a profit. Also it shouldn't take six weeks to produce some goddam football shirts. That would explain the case that Umbro do not have the material, and have had to order more to get them made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 That would explain the case that Umbro do not have the material, and have had to order more to get them made. Either that or they've run out of orphans to make them, allegedly. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 And of course, you know for a fact that they didn't get on blower to Umbro as soon as they started flying off the shelf? huh? what's that? You don't have a ****ing clue? Well there's a ****ing surprise. Home kit been on sale for 7 weeks already and i was told saturday it would be "hopefully" 6-8 weeks for new stock to arrive as umbro aim to deliver within 6 weeks so something somewhere doesn't add up Also here we are again with this forum, why i cant be arsed to post, you have a comment to make and someone jumps on you straight away, i go i what i have been told, wow another rumour i suppose so if its a rumour it cant be true People should grow up and allow others to express an opinion or make a comment without being insulted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Any way you look at it not having the new shirt in the shop for the opening game is not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surman4no7shirt Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Yes, it's the clubs fault you're all so fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Home kit been on sale for 7 weeks already and i was told saturday it would be "hopefully" 6-8 weeks for new stock to arrive as umbro aim to deliver within 6 weeks so something somewhere doesn't add up Also here we are again with this forum, why i cant be arsed to post, you have a comment to make and someone jumps on you straight away, i go i what i have been told, wow another rumour i suppose so if its a rumour it cant be true People should grow up and allow others to express an opinion or make a comment without being insulted I can see your point, but we don't know when the new order for the shirts went in. Making a shortage always makes the sales increase, you just see the clamour now that there are none on the shelves. it will be like trying to get a buzz Lightyear in the run up to Xmas (I can't remember how long ago now, that craze started) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 One can only assume that it takes a while to ramp up production from whatever Far East supplier they use. Judging by my very unscientifc wanderings aournd Southampton it does seem to have been a real success. And (assuming you haven't had the chance to see one yet) it does look really good, so hopefully worth the wait for you. I have seen them in-the-flesh. Luckily, the kids had not ran out and she managed to get my the kit for both my sons. My eldest proudly wore it to his first training session by his new team yesterday. I dont buy this "got on the blower" straightaway theory, seeing as the megastaore staff have clearly been saying "6 weeks" for the last month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 If the kits can be back in store quickly it's not much of a problem, but as it is affecting revenues, it is a big mistake if the waits are the length that's being suggested here. I recall West Ham running big adverts that their away kit was "back in stock" in March in our last relegation season which suggests a similar ordering problem with Umbro. Running out at the end of the season is one thing, running out before a ball is kicked with no contingency for more is just poor management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 How many would you have ordered if you were in charge then Alpine? So far we have established that they should have ordered at least 2 more :-) More than last seasons kit, FFS. Even the article on the OS implies the order level was the same, since it says that the new kit sales has matched last seasons sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Home kit been on sale for 7 weeks already and i was told saturday it would be "hopefully" 6-8 weeks for new stock to arrive as umbro aim to deliver within 6 weeks so something somewhere doesn't add up Also here we are again with this forum, why i cant be arsed to post, you have a comment to make and someone jumps on you straight away, i go i what i have been told, wow another rumour i suppose so if its a rumour it cant be true People should grow up and allow others to express an opinion or make a comment without being insulted Feck me, and you are being told up to 8 weeks. poor, poor management. Agree with your other point. You can almost hear the footstamping here in Austria when someone dares to criticise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 (edited) Well complain to Umbro then, not the club. btw Umbro do have other products to manufacture, not just Saints shirts so a new order from the club would go to the back of the queue. Yep, its never SFCs fault in Happy-Clappy Land, is it ? I mean, the production manager at Umbro decided how many to make, didnt he ? Edited 3 August, 2010 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I can see your point, but we don't know when the new order for the shirts went in. Making a shortage always makes the sales increase, you just see the clamour now that there are none on the shelves. it will be like trying to get a buzz Lightyear in the run up to Xmas (I can't remember how long ago now, that craze started) Interesting theory, I'd be more inclined to think that as the demand is already there it's just as likely that people will decided not to bother at all if they have to wait too long, the thing expires in May 2011 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 There has clearly been a c**k up somewhere but if sales have really outstripped the projected demand and the manufacturers are struggling to produce more I can't see how the club are to blame. If they'd ordered less than previous seasons then fair enough, it's their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Interesting theory, I'd be more inclined to think that as the demand is already there it's just as likely that people will decided not to bother at all if they have to wait too long, the thing expires in May 2011 anyway. ITs nice to wear and a great souvenir, especially if we get promoted, especially if Pompey go the other way, double especially if Pompey get liquidated during this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 As it's made in thailand it might well take a while to ship back to uk. I know stuff from here can take 2-3 months. On another note I love the kit but disappointed with the quality, as I have had the stitching on the sash already partially come off. Dunno if anyone else suffered with this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Home kit been on sale for 7 weeks already and i was told saturday it would be "hopefully" 6-8 weeks for new stock to arrive as umbro aim to deliver within 6 weeks so something somewhere doesn't add up Also here we are again with this forum, why i cant be arsed to post, you have a comment to make and someone jumps on you straight away, i go i what i have been told, wow another rumour i suppose so if its a rumour it cant be true People should grow up and allow others to express an opinion or make a comment without being insulted People should grow up and stop bashing the club for things they don't know about. How do you know that the club didn't get on to Umbro the moment they noticed stock getting low on the kit? you simply don't, you are just making up what you want to believe to give yourself another stick to hit SFC with. Its boring. Do you honestly think NC sat in his office going "Ah, so the new kit is selling well. I know what I will do, I will NOT order any more until August. That should **** some fans off, ha ha ha the little suckers, I hope they all rot in hell." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 People should grow up and stop bashing the club for things they don't know about. How do you know that the club didn't get on to Umbro the moment they noticed stock getting low on the kit? you simply don't, you are just making up what you want to believe to give yourself another stick to hit SFC with. [/i] I've answered this already - did you ignore it ? The time being told to customers in the megastore has remained static for nearly month. Ergo, they havent got a delivery date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 This is probably a mixture of underestimating sales levels in terms of speed of sales and Umbro not fulfilling replenishment orders quickly enough, which is clearly the main issue. Either the club didn't understand the re-order timescales or Umbro have a problem their end. Either way the customer loses out. Alternatively it's clever marketing by the club. Customer goes to buy home shirt but it's out of stock but was looking forward to buying a new shirt so buys the away shirt. Said customer will then probably return to buy home shirt later!! Another point is that many "brands" deliberately sell-out because it increases desire and prestige of owning one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Don't forget that the last kit came into being when we were in financial crisis and we'd have probably ordered lower amounts for the launch as a result - that first Umbro kit then unexpectedly lasted 2 seasons (due to flybe renewing for another year and the money situation) so any new kit order to Umbro placed at the start of last season under Cortese's leadership would only have been for top-ups (and replacing the long out of stock hooped socks) and would have been at much lower levels than a new launch. The initial demand for the "new" kit would have been met in the summer of 2008, not under Cortese in 2009. Last summer saw an away kit launch, but they never sell as well as home shirts - anecdotal evidence of that is the lack of black shirts on show on Saturday, compared to a plethora of sash kits. So maybe the stock level decision was made on unusually low 2008 figures, a low 2009 top-up figure, or a low-compared-to-the-home kit 2009 away kit sales figure ? Whichever way they've ballsed it up because the kit was obviously going to be hugely popular, for its classic polo styling, England similarities in a World Cup year, and also because it doesn't have a sponsor and is a little "different" but not tasteless in being so. Any fule could have foreseen a sharp spike in sales and a plan should have been in place. Glad I bought my 2 (short sleeved plain, long sleeved with name on the back) and the one for the missus (her married name on the back to match mine for wedding day comedy purposes) before I went on honeymoon anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 This is probably a mixture of underestimating sales levels in terms of speed of sales and Umbro not fulfilling replenishment orders quickly enough, which is clearly the main issue. Either the club didn't understand the re-order timescales or Umbro have a problem their end. Either way the customer loses out. Alternatively it's clever marketing by the club. Customer goes to buy home shirt but it's out of stock but was looking forward to buying a new shirt so buys the away shirt. Said customer will then probably return to buy home shirt later!! Another point is that many "brands" deliberately sell-out because it increases desire and prestige of owning one! I would have said thats all pretty peripheral to NC when compared with revenue, to be honest. I'd put money down that he's b*ll*cking whoever is responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 This is probably a mixture of underestimating sales levels in terms of speed of sales and Umbro not fulfilling replenishment orders quickly enough, which is clearly the main issue. Either the club didn't understand the re-order timescales or Umbro have a problem their end. Either way the customer loses out. Alternatively it's clever marketing by the club. Customer goes to buy home shirt but it's out of stock but was looking forward to buying a new shirt so buys the away shirt. Said customer will then probably return to buy home shirt later!! Another point is that many "brands" deliberately sell-out because it increases desire and prestige of owning one! I wouldn't say preventing people from buying something which has a VERY limited shelf life as a new desirable fashion item is good marketing - and the away shirt needs all the help it can get. Even I'm considering not bothering getting one of those, and I buy all of them, often in duplicate. My argument is that we'd have shifted shedloads in the run up to the new season anyway, forcing people to wait is as likely to turn people off buying one as it is encourage the gullible into getting one because they're a "hot item" - any idea of the shirt having prestige from the limited supply is removed the second you step into the ground and see the thousands already sold, and once its been out for a couple of months it's no longer perceived as new or current, especially if other people already have it. The numbers of people patiently waiting for new stock will diminish the longer they have to wait, not increase, and in the current economic climate people will find other things to spend the money on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I wouldn't say preventing people from buying something which has a VERY limited shelf life as a new desirable fashion item is good marketing - and the away shirt needs all the help it can get. Even I'm considering not bothering getting one of those, and I buy all of them, often in duplicate. My argument is that we'd have shifted shedloads in the run up to the new season anyway, forcing people to wait is as likely to turn people off buying one as it is encourage the gullible into getting one because they're a "hot item" - any idea of the shirt having prestige from the limited supply is removed the second you step into the ground and see the thousands already sold, and once its been out for a couple of months it's no longer perceived as new or current, especially if other people already have it. The numbers of people patiently waiting for new stock will diminish the longer they have to wait, not increase, and in the current economic climate people will find other things to spend the money on. When you have kids and they want one , you will then understand the pressure of them being out of stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I would have said thats all pretty peripheral to NC when compared with revenue, to be honest. I'd put money down that he's b*ll*cking whoever is responsible. Clearly maximising revenues is important and neccessary but as much as you are annoyed at not getting your kit (and rightly so) you and I don't actually know what the volume of sales are and what the projection is/was. Launching two kits close together is unusual for Saints and probably won't happen again so balancing demand and supply would be a bit of a shot in the dark. There will be two peaks of sales on kits, launch and Christmas. Having two launches close together will effect sales of each then but having two (new) kits on sale at Christmas obviously offers more choice and will boost sales then. It's likely that these two kits will be the best selling saints kits ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I just called the Megastore. Was told "about 6 weeks" In my opinion its a holding statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Well, it never hurt Nintendo's sales by having the Wii regularly go out of stock. If you have a desirable product people will wait until they can buy it. The kit being out of stock isn't a problem apart to impatient people. When they come back into stock the club can repromote the shirt and everyone who wanted one will buy one. They will also have the bonus of being able to control stock levels which means not being left with swathes of old kit come the end of the season that has to be sold at less of a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 People should grow up and stop bashing the club for things they don't know about. How do you know that the club didn't get on to Umbro the moment they noticed stock getting low on the kit? you simply don't, you are just making up what you want to believe to give yourself another stick to hit SFC with. Its boring. Do you honestly think NC sat in his office going "Ah, so the new kit is selling well. I know what I will do, I will NOT order any more until August. That should **** some fans off, ha ha ha the little suckers, I hope they all rot in hell." Why does everything have to be put into a pro NC or bash NC, we are talking about the lack of home shirts days before the season starts, that in anyones mind cant be good, so yes someone somewhere SFC or umbro needs to be taken to task on this. If the order was placed right away, ie day of release then that is 7 weeks ago and umbro aim to deliver within 6 weeks, as told to me by SFC megastore worker walking around with clipboard/folder looking important, why are we still waiting for the shirts. As others have been told what appears weeks ago that it will be arriving in 6 weeks and i was told 6-8 weeks, then do the maths something isn't right with either SFC or umbro, one is to blame as there is no one else in the circle of 2 is there. I dont consider myself anti NC/AP/SFC, NC has done things i dont like ie installment plan removal, but has done things i like, I think it is good that we have a successful business man in charge, things did need shaken up. My point here is anyone can have opinion without it being placed into a pro or anti NC corner. The only thing i am very pro is SFC and always will be. I wear my shirt with pride and would wear my sash with pride if i could get one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Well, it never hurt Nintendo's sales by having the Wii regularly go out of stock. If you have a desirable product people will wait until they can buy it. The kit being out of stock isn't a problem apart to impatient people. When they come back into stock the club can repromote the shirt and everyone who wanted one will buy one. They will also have the bonus of being able to control stock levels which means not being left with swathes of old kit come the end of the season that has to be sold at less of a profit. and with luck the club will be riding high when the new stock arrives and fans will be gagging to buy them......and if we happen to get to Wembley again!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I can't work out if this should be in the "Cortese is a tyrant" or "Cortese is a dreamboat" sticky thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Something sinister is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I can't work out if this should be in the "Cortese is a tyrant" or "Cortese is a dreamboat" sticky thread Why is it either ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 I can't work out if this should be in the "Cortese is a tyrant" or "Cortese is a dreamboat" sticky thread It goes in the "Cortese doesn't make every decision at SFC" sticky thread i believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 It goes in the "Cortese doesn't make every decision at SFC" sticky thread i believe... On this I agree with you. The idea that he places orders for mechandise is just plain dopey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 When you have kids and they want one , you will then understand the pressure of them being out of stock. Fair enough, but that's not increasing the demand from waiting, that's just meeting demand which is there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 In summary, the hone shirt has been an overwhelming success. Beyond the expectations even of the manufacturer. All credit to the club for giving the fans something they have loved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 August, 2010 Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Hang on, is EVERY size out of stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 In summary, the hone shirt has been an overwhelming success. Beyond the expectations even of the manufacturer. All credit to the club for giving the fans something they have loved! Agree with this. Its up there with the Keegan / Patrick kit for me. Message or Freudian slip ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2010 Hang on, is EVERY size out of stock? My understanding is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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