Hesitant To Post This, But Me I'm Out Of Patience

[TijuanaTim]

So you post, rant and mock I am gonna say it anyway.

 

Growing up as a Saints fan watching the attacking stars Painer, Big Ron, Chivers and then Channon yeah there were frustrating Saturday afternoons sometimes, but any given day we could beat anyone. We were underdogs punching above our weight. It was somehow acceptable being relegated years later, I mean who were we to be beating the Mancs and Scousers anyway (I say this tongue in cheek).

 

Then a few old journeymen pros joined our good players like Holmes, Channon etc and with the leadership of Lawrie Mac we somehow won the cup. Building on that first promotion and then a 10 year spell, when let's face it, we expected to be the best and beat the best.

 

With the restrictions of the Dell and the departure of Mac we came back to the acceptance that to survive in the top flight we would have to (generally speaking) accept losing more than winning. Then relegation - money problems and mismanagement. We had to grit our teeth and endure being a poor Div II outfit until inevitable relegation again.

 

About 1993 I decided to enjoy the fun, the event, the camaraderie of fellow fans and just being a Saint. At the same time wanting Southampton to win, yet not setting myself up for disappointment by expecting wins...if we got a result it was a bonus - one for the good guys, even the underdog to a certain extent.

 

However, and here's the punch line, after the true Saint that is ML arrived combined with his trust, faith and financial muscle and the FACT that we were in a weak Div III I do not find it acceptable to be patient, to accept disappointment, to be second-best any more. This time last year maybe, just maybe, but now hell no. Call me crazy, call me premature it makes no difference I still feel grossly let down that in four home games in front of a total of about 70,000 paying fans we have squeaked one cakey win against a penniless and poor Bournemouth. Is this a worse start than the last couple of seasons or what?

 

Was it that long ago with and less muscle we started the season above the likes of Everton, Villa or Man Citeh...and I'm gonna say it again, right now we're below Rochdale. Early in the season or not, this life long Saint finds that statement 100% unacceptable. Not with what ML has done for us and not with us being in Div III.

 

Pull yourselves together Saints team - immediately if not sooner!!

[scott_saints]

It's only a game, calm down.

[Saint Billy]

It's only a game, calm down.

 

That many people spend alot of time and money to watch.

[scotty]

we always, always f*ck up at seasons start, we wouldnt be saints if we didnt. Keep the faith, it'll turn around and in 2 months we'll all be wondering what we were worried about.

[Saint Charlie]

We were good last night, the goals will come!

[Saint Bones]

By the looks of all reports we have been playing decent football just not putting it on the score board. It wasn't the best of pre-seasons injury wise and well we are only 2 games into the season.

 

No one team in any league has an automatic right to be champions.. it's earnt. Funnily enough theres 20 odd other teams in each league also doing their best to become champions as well - So no league is ever easy.

 

I would love to be on 6 points right now - but we are not - Still I've plenty of faith that we will be in the top 4 come Christmas time.

[Judge_B]

*dials 999*

 

"Oh, hello... WAAAAAAAAH-mbulance please..."

[doggface]

The jury's still out in my opinion, but I'm concerned

[sidthesquid]

Oh my God - Alps has relocated tp Los Angeles!

Keep the faith, dude. We have a very good team, a very good manager and it will come right. I know we lost last night but we played great football and our luck will change.

[John B]

We will do OK this season but it will take patience and very good support from the fans.

[OldNick]

TT we lost to a PL team, we are a long way from being one. A few more games yet before to hit the panic button.

Again, we need pace on the wings and the ability to change the game from the bench Aka last season.We dont have the variety we had in the last part of the previous campaign.I hope that is sorted soon

[Doctoroncall]

We've played 2 leagues games. Get over it. Maybe go to the pub and have a beer instead of worrying about saints. Saints only come into my head on a Saturday afternoon. After then its beer time and trying to persuade hot girls from the internetto meet me.

 

This isn't the site for that, although I don't know what is!

 

 

I'll concede that it's frustrating that with so many chances a win has eluded us as well as getting the right players before the season kicked off. I think the expectation this season is a heavy burden with the players feeling it but there is no point adding to the pressure.

[MerceSaint28]

Completely agree with the original post....i like Pards but this laid back approach by Pards to the start of the season and lack of transfer activity have really hurt us.

Yet again we are chasing our tail, we could not even win for Markus...Pards has been in charge for a year and it seems like we have really fallen away again from last season. Where are the goals coming from?? what if Ricky gets injured??? and transfers for me has been particularly dissapointing.

I know sometimes its difficuilt to get players at the right price blah blah but come on...signing 2 right backs and a left back....not exactly setting the world on fire.

We had 2 months to get players in and didn't...other teams in this division strengthened and we didn't, now yet again we are chasing players after a poor start.

Come on Saints sort it out...i may be unpopoular for saying this but i am not sure giving Connelly another deal was a good idea, surely a younger injury free striker was a better idea and what is Pulis and Wotton still doing here??? if anything happens to Morgan/ Hammond we are up the creak, plus there is no competiiton for places.

Sloppy management and planning thus far, not amused....excuses have got to stop

[Victor]

Trouble is though, those 70,000 have mostly been miserable gits who won't get behind their team.

 

Bristol Rovers away on Saturday and back to a 3-1 win for Saints.

[Bucks Saint]

read the other posts TT - you seem to have overlooked that we have been pants at the start of the season for years and it does not mean we are doomed.

[alpine_saint]

So you post, rant and mock I am gonna say it anyway.

 

Growing up as a Saints fan watching the attacking stars Painer, Big Ron, Chivers and then Channon yeah there were frustrating Saturday afternoons sometimes, but any given day we could beat anyone. We were underdogs punching above our weight. It was somehow acceptable being relegated years later, I mean who were we to be beating the Mancs and Scousers anyway (I say this tongue in cheek).

 

Then a few old journeymen pros joined our good players like Holmes, Channon etc and with the leadership of Lawrie Mac we somehow won the cup. Building on that first promotion and then a 10 year spell, when let's face it, we expected to be the best and beat the best.

 

With the restrictions of the Dell and the departure of Mac we came back to the acceptance that to survive in the top flight we would have to (generally speaking) accept losing more than winning. Then relegation - money problems and mismanagement. We had to grit our teeth and endure being a poor Div II outfit until inevitable relegation again.

 

About 1993 I decided to enjoy the fun, the event, the camaraderie of fellow fans and just being a Saint. At the same time wanting Southampton to win, yet not setting myself up for disappointment by expecting wins...if we got a result it was a bonus - one for the good guys, even the underdog to a certain extent.

 

However, and here's the punch line, after the true Saint that is ML arrived combined with his trust, faith and financial muscle and the FACT that we were in a weak Div III I do not find it acceptable to be patient, to accept disappointment, to be second-best any more. This time last year maybe, just maybe, but now hell no. Call me crazy, call me premature it makes no difference I still feel grossly let down that in four home games in front of a total of about 70,000 paying fans we have squeaked one cakey win against a penniless and poor Bournemouth. Is this a worse start than the last couple of seasons or what?

 

Was it that long ago with and less muscle we started the season above the likes of Everton, Villa or Man Citeh...and I'm gonna say it again, right now we're below Rochdale. Early in the season or not, this life long Saint finds that statement 100% unacceptable. Not with what ML has done for us and not with us being in Div III.

 

Pull yourselves together Saints team - immediately if not sooner!!

 

I thought it was an almost unanimous opinion at the end of last season that this season there would be NO excuses whatsoever.

 

Lo and behold, people falling over backwards to make excuses and condemn the impatience of others....

[OldNick]

I thought it was an almost unanimous opinion at the end of last season that this season there would be NO excuses whatsoever.

 

Lo and behold, people falling over backwards to make excuses and condemn the impatience of others....

 

yeah but 2 league games Alps!!!!!!

[lordswoodsaints]

So you post, rant and mock I am gonna say it anyway.

 

Growing up as a Saints fan watching the attacking stars Painer, Big Ron, Chivers and then Channon yeah there were frustrating Saturday afternoons sometimes, but any given day we could beat anyone. We were underdogs punching above our weight. It was somehow acceptable being relegated years later, I mean who were we to be beating the Mancs and Scousers anyway (I say this tongue in cheek).

 

Then a few old journeymen pros joined our good players like Holmes, Channon etc and with the leadership of Lawrie Mac we somehow won the cup. Building on that first promotion and then a 10 year spell, when let's face it, we expected to be the best and beat the best.

 

With the restrictions of the Dell and the departure of Mac we came back to the acceptance that to survive in the top flight we would have to (generally speaking) accept losing more than winning. Then relegation - money problems and mismanagement. We had to grit our teeth and endure being a poor Div II outfit until inevitable relegation again.

 

About 1993 I decided to enjoy the fun, the event, the camaraderie of fellow fans and just being a Saint. At the same time wanting Southampton to win, yet not setting myself up for disappointment by expecting wins...if we got a result it was a bonus - one for the good guys, even the underdog to a certain extent.

 

However, and here's the punch line, after the true Saint that is ML arrived combined with his trust, faith and financial muscle and the FACT that we were in a weak Div III I do not find it acceptable to be patient, to accept disappointment, to be second-best any more. This time last year maybe, just maybe, but now hell no. Call me crazy, call me premature it makes no difference I still feel grossly let down that in four home games in front of a total of about 70,000 paying fans we have squeaked one cakey win against a penniless and poor Bournemouth. Is this a worse start than the last couple of seasons or what?

 

Was it that long ago with and less muscle we started the season above the likes of Everton, Villa or Man Citeh...and I'm gonna say it again, right now we're below Rochdale. Early in the season or not, this life long Saint finds that statement 100% unacceptable. Not with what ML has done for us and not with us being in Div III.

 

Pull yourselves together Saints team - immediately if not sooner!!

 

I'm with you TT, having been brought up on decent football in the 70's/80's I find it difficult to accept our plight.

The old 2nd division days of the 70's makeup some of my happiest memories of following my team but the championship and l1 days of recent years have done nothing to excite me.....perhaps it's my age,people my age (in their 40's/50's) have probably been spoilt as I think they have witnessed the true golden years.

Even if we do return to the prem it won't be the same.

[Rory]

Some fans are never satisfied.

[Judge_B]

I thought it was an almost unanimous opinion at the end of last season that this season there would be NO excuses whatsoever.

 

Lo and behold, people falling over backwards to make excuses and condemn the impatience of others....

 

*dials 999*

 

"Hi... better send another WAAAAAAAH-mbulance... there's been a pile up..."

Edited 25 August, 2010 by Judge_B
Trying to post on here with an iPhone is like giving a monkey a space rocket...

[kpturner]

You should have hesitated a bit longer.

[alpine_saint]

yeah but 2 league games Alps!!!!!!

 

Whats pre-season for ?

 

We've only added a couple of players this season, not built a complete team FFS.

 

We've now played 4 times and still cannot hit a cows arse with a banjo.

[kpturner]

We've now played 4 times and still cannot hit a cows arse with a banjo.

You didn't see the games against Orient or Bolton did you? This being so, how can you pass comment on why the chances have not been converted?

[OldNick]

Whats pre-season for ?

 

We've only added a couple of players this season, not built a complete team FFS.

 

We've now played 4 times and still cannot hit a cows arse with a banjo.

Alps somebody who didn't know your previous would think you had an agenda and have been waiting for an excuse to have a go at AP

[Sour Mash]

We've played 2 leagues games. Get over it. Maybe go to the pub and have a beer instead of worrying about saints. Saints only come into my head on a Saturday afternoon. After then its beer time and trying to persuade hot girls from the internet to meet me.

 

Good to hear, would be a shame if you'd racked up 4000 posts on an internet forum.

[norwaysaint]

Reading this forum in general, I'd think saints were hopeless from the management right through the entire squad.

 

Reading comments from people who actually give details about seeing the game: we're playing pretty well and creating lots of chances but need to convert more of them. Most people impressed with how we're playing. A couple of key players who have been injured still aren't clicking properly yet.

 

I know which ones I'll listen to.

 

Panic over.

[MerceSaint28]

Satisfied with what Rory???? one point from 2 home games against 2 very average teams...and dumped out of the league cup.

In terms of finance we are the Chelsea and Man City of this league and how have they started the season?? come on where do the excuses end here??

[OldNick]

Satisfied with what Rory???? one point from 2 home games against 2 very average teams...and dumped out of the league cup.

In terms of finance we are the Chelsea and Man City of this league and how have they started the season?? come on where do the excuses end here??

 

but we are not Chelski or man city in terms of finance as the owners are not prepared to splash at all costs and the club has to be on its own sound finances. Yes we spent last year, but that was because we had no rent or overdraft to pay. That money was spent on the team.

[doddisalegend]

Well people are free to support saints anyway they like. In general I try to stay postive (sometimes I fail) but really if it upsets you that much just find another pastime lifes to short to feel that sort of despair over something your supposed to enjoy.

[doddisalegend]

How many enjoy it all the time? I haven't enjoyed this season yet. I'm positive, but nowhere near as positive as I was and that's slipping away more. This should be an enjoyable season, that's why it's so frustrating.

 

I just wonder why some do it they seem so fed up and ****ed off all the time it just doesn't seem worth the hassle of supporting saints. I get upset when we lose or I feel the team aren't trying. However I enjoy the whole routine of football on a saturday I go to watch my team and bond with my son. Win or loose I still enjoy it most of the time. If I sank to the level of depression andfrustration that some on here seem to have reached I'd give it up. Just saying thats all...........

[John B]

How many enjoy it all the time? I haven't enjoyed this season yet. I'm positive, but nowhere near as positive as I was and that's slipping away more. This should be an enjoyable season, that's why it's so frustrating.

 

I think if you were a bit more realistic I think you would be a happier bunny.

 

 

The team is OK not exceptional with every chance of getting promoted injuries rub of the green have not been with us so far.

 

 

Lets be patient and see what happens

[15saints]

Having lived through most of the same things as the original poster I struggle to understand what he actually expects. Our expectation in the late 70's, the 80's and 90's was to get at least one place above the relegation zone and perhaps have a little cup run. Most of those two decades we languished around in the bottom six, with one or two exceptions. We did not have the internet, but we did have similar conversations down the pub and in the main we accepted our lot. We would be over the moon when we signed an aging star to join our ranks and would accept that the majority of our players would not get into most first division teams, but we now have to accept that today's football is about teams and having a star player does not give you success.

 

Now we have been through one hell of a journey in this decade and are where we are, but many of our supporters will not know any different than supporting a first division team, whereas I can remember when we were rubbish before 1976 and we seem to be there again. We cannot do what we did then as football is now so different. It would not do us much good if we managed to find a couple of aging stars to sign, such as Wotton who is revered by Plymouth supporters and dropped down a League to join us, because the fickle supporters we are think he is rubbish. We talk of signing really good players who are in their prime, because we can nowdays because of the internet which makes us all braver and yet sillier, but we all fail to realise that those players do not want to consider joining a club in our position. The talk was of players to understudy Lambert and we were talking of young, good players who are currently plying their trade in the divisions above us. The internet is not real, Football Manager is not real, players like that are not going to join a club in our position unless you are very lucky and find a Wotton or Connolly, who we appear not to like.

 

We are four games into our season and we have won one, drawn one and lost two. That cannot be considered a good start by any stretch of the imagination, but surely it is a bit early for all of this moaning and wailing about how doomed we are. Last night we were playing a First division side and had the roles been reversed we would be moaning about our lucky win against inferior opposition. We were not expected to win by the realists and rightly so as Bolton are doing quite well in the top league and us not so well in the third tier. We were very unlucky against Plymouth and Orient probably deserved the draw, but there lies the rub - one very rarely gets what one deserves in football which can be the cruelist of GAMES.

[SnailOB]

I'm not looking to start a debate about overseas fans V local fans etc.. so please don't misunderstand my post.

 

I have seen the games this season first hand and although frustrated by lack of goals and good results, I am seeing a team that is creating chances - much more than the teams we are playing (including Bolton) and am hopeful that we will start scoring quite freely and will go on a run. I am certainly seeing players and a team that ARE good enough to beat anyone in this division

 

This is something that i feel the overseas fan does not get to see and appreciate (not a dig !).

 

So, i'm frustrated also but i am seeing enough to make me feel that this team is capable of winning games / league etc.. Im probably a little put more patient (not happy-clappy) than others after what i've seen so far.

[rooney]

I think it is right that the lack of goals concerns us. However, it does seem we are not having the luck we deserve. Just look at the stats. for every game so far. But we do have players who can score goals, there is no doubt about that and the team is creating goal scoring chances. I believe that the goals will come in abundance with this team, lady luck will smile on us and we will not be disappointed as we are now. I do wish though we had cover for Rickie and a pacey winger in the Antonio/Papa mould as this is where we are short at present.

[Leicestersaint]

I fulyl agree with Tijuana Tim - well said. And I never cease to be amazed by the level of complacency that quite a few posters on here exhibit. It's all be OK ... etc.

 

I was at the Orient match and I do think there are real reasons for concern - not least AP's failure to use substitutes sensibly. We lack real pace - hopefully Guly will help here - and our backs do not attack enough. Our defence looks suspect on occasions - and sometimes in the second half Orient outplayed us. We also have some players who don't look that good.

 

I am certainly not losing any sleep about this but I don't think Saints are yet delivering the necessary quality or effort let alone results.

[Rebel]

you missed the bit about moving to St Marys, the years of constant sell-outs in a 32,000 seater stadium, the 2003 FA cup final, being in the UEFA cup, being the 7th largest English club in terms of revenue that year - and the 10th on attendance over the season

 

and how it took a lot of incompetence and mis-management to take us from there to here - where we are now - the 3rd division in less than a decade!

[SnailOB]

I fulyl agree with Tijuana Tim - well said. And I never cease to be amazed by the level of complacency that quite a few posters on here exhibit. It's all be OK ... etc.

 

I was at the Orient match and I do think there are real reasons for concern - not least AP's failure to use substitutes sensibly. We lack real pace - hopefully Guly will help here - and our backs do not attack enough. Our defence looks suspect on occasions - and sometimes in the second half Orient outplayed us. We also have some players who don't look that good.

 

I am certainly not losing any sleep about this but I don't think Saints are yet delivering the necessary quality or effort let alone results.

 

all about opinions - thats football !

 

You see some fans complacency / I see some fans impatience.

Time will tell, but main thing is that at end of day we all want a succesful team

[Torres]

Call me crazy, call me premature...

 

You are crazy and premature.

[kpturner]

I fulyl agree with Tijuana Tim - well said. And I never cease to be amazed by the level of complacency that quite a few posters on here exhibit. It's all be OK ... etc.

 

I was at the Orient match and I do think there are real reasons for concern - not least AP's failure to use substitutes sensibly. We lack real pace - hopefully Guly will help here - and our backs do not attack enough. Our defence looks suspect on occasions - and sometimes in the second half Orient outplayed us. We also have some players who don't look that good.

 

I am certainly not losing any sleep about this but I don't think Saints are yet delivering the necessary quality or effort let alone results.

I know this is going to sound insulting, but your opinions and the way you express them make you sound like a typical clueless football fan. "our backs do not attack enough"....."We also have some players who don't look that good" FFS! Why not add a few other profound observations, like "if we play better than the opposition more often we will win more games". Edited 25 August, 2010 by kpturner

[Deppo]

So you post, rant and mock I am gonna say it anyway.

 

Growing up as a Saints fan watching the attacking stars Painer, Big Ron, Chivers and then Channon yeah there were frustrating Saturday afternoons sometimes, but any given day we could beat anyone. We were underdogs punching above our weight. It was somehow acceptable being relegated years later, I mean who were we to be beating the Mancs and Scousers anyway (I say this tongue in cheek).

 

Then a few old journeymen pros joined our good players like Holmes, Channon etc and with the leadership of Lawrie Mac we somehow won the cup. Building on that first promotion and then a 10 year spell, when let's face it, we expected to be the best and beat the best.

 

With the restrictions of the Dell and the departure of Mac we came back to the acceptance that to survive in the top flight we would have to (generally speaking) accept losing more than winning. Then relegation - money problems and mismanagement. We had to grit our teeth and endure being a poor Div II outfit until inevitable relegation again.

 

About 1993 I decided to enjoy the fun, the event, the camaraderie of fellow fans and just being a Saint. At the same time wanting Southampton to win, yet not setting myself up for disappointment by expecting wins...if we got a result it was a bonus - one for the good guys, even the underdog to a certain extent.

 

However, and here's the punch line, after the true Saint that is ML arrived combined with his trust, faith and financial muscle and the FACT that we were in a weak Div III I do not find it acceptable to be patient, to accept disappointment, to be second-best any more. This time last year maybe, just maybe, but now hell no. Call me crazy, call me premature it makes no difference I still feel grossly let down that in four home games in front of a total of about 70,000 paying fans we have squeaked one cakey win against a penniless and poor Bournemouth. Is this a worse start than the last couple of seasons or what?

 

Was it that long ago with and less muscle we started the season above the likes of Everton, Villa or Man Citeh...and I'm gonna say it again, right now we're below Rochdale. Early in the season or not, this life long Saint finds that statement 100% unacceptable. Not with what ML has done for us and not with us being in Div III.

 

Pull yourselves together Saints team - immediately if not sooner!!

 

My advice would be just to relax and accept that you are an ex-pat. This is what they do in order to feel some kind of attachment to their home.

[rudi-skacel]

2 games and the doubters are out already,my oh my we are fickle fans arent we.

[yorkiesaint]

imagine the unrest if chelsea had one point from their opening 2 games, both of which were at home. I think it is reasonable to cut some slack as the death of ML must have made things harder. That said a couple more games without a win and pardew might be toast.

[up and away]

Alps somebody who didn't know your previous would think you had an agenda and have been waiting for an excuse to have a go at AP

 

The problem is, if Pardew is not showing indications we are a top 2 team after 8-10 league games, he will be gone. Whichever way you look at it, that is not going to help getting an automatic spot how ever you look at it. Yes we are better getting rid of a manager who is not cutting the mustard, but that always leaves more of a job for anyone having to pick up the pieces.

 

The cup games this season are a total irrelevance compared to the league. We can do as well or badly in them and it gives you absolutely no points in the league. All I am concerned with is the impact those games have on the league with bookings, injuries and fitness. This is a perfect time to get the rest of our squad up to pace for the important games, not pander to some muppets CV against a half strength Premier side. I just cannot fathom Pardews logic and comments "but in terms of the schedule we have in front of us, and the priorities, this wasn't the priority game, but we certainly treated it as such."

 

I don't want Pardew to fail, because all the implications that come with that are not in our best interests. What is slightly concerning is problems that have existed over such long periods still exist. This is worse than groundhog day, this is like watching the film for the first time, only napping to keep finding yourself at the same restart point.

 

This really means nothing on it's own, as it's all about Saturdays game against Bristol Rovers. Win that and all's forgiven, lose that and you are opening up question marks about what is the best way forward for the club. Pardew has plenty of games left to turn things round, but what must Cortese be thinking when he hears such comments as "this wasn't the priority game, but we certainly treated it as such." He must be questioning himself as to who he did actually speak to about priorities?

 

The league start has not been as bad as the points total indicates, although from a couple of poor teams. I have readily accepted Pardew can solve the problems by new personnel that could easily make us all happy and forget this start.

[OldNick]

imagine the unrest if chelsea had one point from their opening 2 games, both of which were at home. I think it is reasonable to cut some slack as the death of ML must have made things harder. That said a couple more games without a win and pardew might be toast.

what about Liverpool or Everton? i doubt their fans are on their managers back, although im sure there are some.

I am not 100% sure of AP but im not going to make an opinion losing by 1 goal in a non win competition against a team 2 divisions above us, who have a very good manager

[OldNick]

The problem is, if Pardew is not showing indications we are a top 2 team after 8-10 league games, he will be gone. Whichever way you look at it, that is not going to help getting an automatic spot how ever you look at it. Yes we are better getting rid of a manager who is not cutting the mustard, but that always leaves more of a job for anyone having to pick up the pieces.

 

The cup games this season are a total irrelevance compared to the league. We can do as well or badly in them and it gives you absolutely no points in the league. All I am concerned with is the impact those games have on the league with bookings, injuries and fitness. This is a perfect time to get the rest of our squad up to pace for the important games, not pander to some muppets CV against a half strength Premier side. I just cannot fathom Pardews logic and comments "but in terms of the schedule we have in front of us, and the priorities, this wasn't the priority game, but we certainly treated it as such."

 

I don't want Pardew to fail, because all the implications that come with that are not in our best interests. What is slightly concerning is problems that have existed over such long periods still exist. This is worse than groundhog day, this is like watching the film for the first time, only napping to keep finding yourself at the same restart point.

 

This really means nothing on it's own, as it's all about Saturdays game against Bristol Rovers. Win that and all's forgiven, lose that and you are opening up question marks about what is the best way forward for the club. Pardew has plenty of games left to turn things round, but what must Cortese be thinking when he hears such comments as "this wasn't the priority game, but we certainly treated it as such." He must be questioning himself as to who he did actually speak to about priorities?

 

The league start has not been as bad as the points total indicates, although from a couple of poor teams. I have readily accepted Pardew can solve the problems by new personnel that could easily make us all happy and forget this start.

 

If we lose to BR i suspect AP will be in real trouble. I believe NC is looking for an excuse to act and 1 point after 3 and out of a cup could be just that.

Iam frustrated that we have not strengthened as much as I had hoped and still believe we are weaker than we were at the end of last season.

I also will add that i had voiced my concerns that the fans expectations could be the worst monkey on our backs this season.

Getting rid of a manager is not always the best way to get results long term and am a bit tired of the merry go round, but we do need someone to grab the nettle and get us up. Eddie Howe will be a top manager and I would think he would do well in the constraints of L1. he certainly is a good judge at plucking an unknown

Edited 25 August, 2010 by OldNick

[doddisalegend]

If we lose to BR i suspect AP will be in real trouble. I believe NC is looking for an excuse to act and 1 point after 3 and out of a cup could be just that.

Iam frustrated that we have not strengthened as much as I had hoped and still believe we are weaker than we were at the end of last season.

I also will add that i had voiced my concerns that the fans expectations could be the worst monkey on our backs this season.

Getting rid of a manager is not always the best way to get results long term and am a bit tired of the merry go round, but we do need someone to grab the nettle and get us up. Eddie Howe will be a top manager and I would think he would do well in the constraints of L1. he certainly is a good judge at plucking an unknown

 

New mangers are always a risk but there comes a point when it has to happen. Last season I was full behind AP when there where rumours of his demise I felt he did well enoughlast season to have a crack this season at the moment I still behind him he turned it around last season I think he will this season. If he doesn't I've no doubt NC will act. The problem is there is no guarntee the next one will do any better. Howe has something about him could he handle the pressure here though? I get the feeling the Bournemouth job doesn't carry quite the same pressure about it.

[dickyhale]

It's only a game, calm down.

 

Do you even go to the game cun*

[alpine_saint]

The problem is, if Pardew is not showing indications we are a top 2 team after 8-10 league games, he will be gone. Whichever way you look at it, that is not going to help getting an automatic spot how ever you look at it. Yes we are better getting rid of a manager who is not cutting the mustard, but that always leaves more of a job for anyone having to pick up the pieces.

 

The cup games this season are a total irrelevance compared to the league. We can do as well or badly in them and it gives you absolutely no points in the league. All I am concerned with is the impact those games have on the league with bookings, injuries and fitness. This is a perfect time to get the rest of our squad up to pace for the important games, not pander to some muppets CV against a half strength Premier side. I just cannot fathom Pardews logic and comments "but in terms of the schedule we have in front of us, and the priorities, this wasn't the priority game, but we certainly treated it as such."

I don't want Pardew to fail, because all the implications that come with that are not in our best interests. What is slightly concerning is problems that have existed over such long periods still exist. This is worse than groundhog day, this is like watching the film for the first time, only napping to keep finding yourself at the same restart point.

 

This really means nothing on it's own, as it's all about Saturdays game against Bristol Rovers. Win that and all's forgiven, lose that and you are opening up question marks about what is the best way forward for the club. Pardew has plenty of games left to turn things round, but what must Cortese be thinking when he hears such comments as "this wasn't the priority game, but we certainly treated it as such." He must be questioning himself as to who he did actually speak to about priorities?

 

The league start has not been as bad as the points total indicates, although from a couple of poor teams. I have readily accepted Pardew can solve the problems by new personnel that could easily make us all happy and forget this start.

 

Did he really say this ? I am gobsmacked. This really does sound like Groundhog Day, with AP focusing on the cups and NC on the League...

[Barry the Badger]

Did he really say this ? I am gobsmacked. This really does sound like Groundhog Day, with AP focusing on the cups and NC on the League...

 

I would suggest that had we played 3 won 3 in the league by now, he wouldn't have played such a strong lineup, but he was trying to get them some momentum going.

 

I am loathe to make excuses for the team, but am trying to ease my frustration by remembering that 4 of our best players (Lallana, Lambert, Puncheon, Schneiderlin) picked up injuries in pre season and at least 3 of them are yet to get back to speed IMO. We know Lallana is playing through a knee problem, Lambert looks clearly off the pace, and Puncheon has lacked his usual dynamism. I am happy to believe for now that this is due to those injuries.

 

With this in mind, I am prepared to wait and see but a bad result at Rovers and the doubts will grow.

[70's Mike]

Hi Tim

Calm down mate it will come right by the end of the season with promotion.

Just to let you know that Hampshire League football returns to Warsash tonight, all be it at Whiteley because Osborne Road is not quite ready after the council refit.